Angelology and Pneumatology Tied?

Are Angelology and Pneumatology essentially tied?

In the Garden of Gethsemane, just before Jesus' arrest Jesus was strengthened by an angel, often depicted with a finger of God instead of an angel.

Moses had us reverence the angel of the Lord, because God's name is in him.

I think when we pray for a healing, it is often an angel that brings the healing virtue.

Angels carry the living water, and blood of Jesus...

Some dislike angels.

What is the hand of God and the face of God, short of actually going to highest Heaven, could it be an angel carrying provision, or an angel who has come from God's face? Relational presence.

If you could see the hand of God in the Spirit, would you see angels or a giant hand?

Is Angelology a light matter or tied to God's presence and power?

Angels are said to excel in strength and obedience. They drink and eat the Holy Spirit for food. I think also the other parts of Heaven and paradise are made of separate entities and they also are full of living water and light. Think about the Tree of Life.

The Holy Spirit is a person with impersonal forms.

And Jesus has much blood to give us. And the Father gives waves of love.

Jesus when touched produced healing virtue for the sick, direct from Himself. But the pouring of the oil onto him, may have been direct from the Father and Holy Spirit, or maybe it was from an angel, carrying oil. When Jesus was baptized.

Jesus told one disciple he would see angels ascending and descending. The fig tree scene.

Angels are subordinate but I think carry in themselves for us, Jesus' blood, fire in their breath, buckets of living water and oil, bread of life...

Gary Oates began to see in the Spirit and saw as he prayed for a healing, that an angel was breathing out fire onto a sickness, and then the woman said she felt heat on her at that spot. She was healed.

Was it Gehazi who under Elisha saw the angels surrounding a city?

Sometimes when we stand in receiving prayer, the catcher puts his hands on our shoulders, one feels firm, but turn around and once for me there was no one there. I also heard of this happening to another man in a back row sitting down.

I think Jesus is often present with us, even stays with us, in Spirit, but we also have guardian angels who do this. And Jesus said the little one's angels are always in the presence of the Father.

The Angel of the Lord was a special angel but all angels must to some extent have the Holy Spirit in them.

At Pentecost it seems the Disciples were prepared and the gifts came upon them straight from God. But still the angels are messengers and carriers of grace and love, so to obey and be strong, some take our prayers to God, some give us messages, others keeps us from evil spirits and give us the Holy Spirit, with wisdom as they they think and move.

I think the finger of God would be almost always a holy angel dealing with unclean spirits. Maybe not so with Jesus Himself in the Gospel. I went with the tying of Pneumatology and Angelology.

I think a lady called Suzanne Seymour described seeing the hand of God in her NDE as a golden mountain.

hislegacy said:

No - by definition they are not

Angelology - angelology—the study of angels, Satan, and demons, and the ongoing battle between them.

Pneumatology - study of the person of the Holy Spirit, and the works of the Holy Spirit

They have no connection whatsoever unless you change the meaning of the terms

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What about the infilling of holy angels with the Spirit of God, and to prophesy, and give people commissioning grace or strengthening, or apply healing...?

hislegacy said:

What part of the definitions given shows that?

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I read of Roger Williams a US founding father, that he was displeased with the Quakers short Christology. It is a benefit to have expansive operating theology. Pneumatology is also too short compared with Christology... Angelology should be thorough.

Old angelology may contain limits placed to up the anti- Catholic stance, which are not accurate.