Our Military Is Weak. That Should Scare You

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There's the priesthood, and there's the military. Jesus has the power to turn ordinary men into priests (Revelation 1:6). He says he has not come to bring peace to the world, but to bring a sword:

And most people are in neither and have no interest in being others. I would never be a priest (and I have known that since I was 5), but if needed I would fight against them.
 
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Blame the government? How about the difficulty finding recruits?
There is a pretty strong correlation between a good economy and difficulty in recruiting. But I'm not sure many people would use the word "blame" for that being the case.
 
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There is a pretty strong correlation between a good economy and difficulty in recruiting. But I'm not sure many people would use the word "blame" for that being the case.
Sure. It's also not so easy when 3/4 of the age eligible are not fit to serve.

"Still, there are concerns. Only 23 percent of young people between 17 and 24 even qualify to join the military. Even fewer have expressed the "propensity" to enlist, officials said. Also working against the recruiting environment is the fact that the military is smaller and in fewer places."
Source: US DoD 22 Dec 2023
 
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This is not untrue. I don't know what the numbers look like in Australia, but in the US a universal national service would not work...the numbers are too great. Two years of universal national service would increase the size of the US government by 8,000,000 to 10,000,000 people.
Yes, we have a much smaller population. It could make a big difference to recruiting. I joined the Navy at the age of 16, partly to avoid being called up to go to Vietnam. National Service ended here in 1972. I was 21 by then.
 
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Sure. It's also not so easy when 3/4 of the age eligible are not fit to serve.

"Still, there are concerns. Only 23 percent of young people between 17 and 24 even qualify to join the military. Even fewer have expressed the "propensity" to enlist, officials said. Also working against the recruiting environment is the fact that the military is smaller and in fewer places."
Source: US DoD 22 Dec 2023

The DoD keeps spouting that statistic, but I'm not so sure it's valid. The only data the DoD actually has is on those youth who have attempted to enlist. Only 24 percent of those who attempted to enlist were qualified.

But those who attempted to enlist isn't a truly representative sample of American youth. The youth who don't attempt to enlist includes most of those who have more desirable options. Those youth are less likely to have criminal records and all the other disqualification factors. The DoD doesn't actually have that data.

Remember, though, the discussion today about enlistments is about Generation Z. Generation Z has issues beyond military enlistment qualifications.
 
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The Bible taught that all men aged 20 years old should join the army (New International Version, Numbers 1:1-5),
That is not a teaching that applies for all time. That was an event that happened during the Israelite conquest of Canaan. The Lord told them to take a census of the Israelites because he was calling them to go to war. Later, during times of peace in Israel, those 20 year olds would be needed at home farming, not out in combat.
 
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The DoD keeps spouting that statistic, but I'm not so sure it's valid.

The figure is from the 2020 Qualified Military Available Study. Quoting the report: "Estimates are based on data from CDC’S National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), HHS’s National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), DoD Youth Poll (YP), and the Profile of American Youth 1997 (PAY97)."

Knowing how overweight/obese is classified in the US (based on BMI), I suspect that the figures for those are somewhat overstated. At least by a couple of %. Even if they're not, it still leaves a pool of ~7.5-7.6 million 17-24 year olds who are eligible for service in any given year.


When was a proposal about 15 years back, when the US was going through it's last recruiting crisis, for additional funding to support recruitment among 'disadvantaged youth'. The bill for an extra 200,000 service members was estimated at an extra ~$15 billion per year in the first year, growing to about ~$45 billion a year by the fifth or sixth year.
 
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I wouldn't even count Russia's carrier, considering the shape that thing is in...
If it was deployed again, it would be another factor helping the U.S. Worst warship in the world.

Or, perhaps a better idea would be to keep our allies close -- which includes things like our continuing to aid Ukraine (as our European allies are also doing) -- so that we have friends in the "scary world" where so many are against us. By contrast, keeping our relationships with our allies (particularly those with which we have mutual protection agreements) makes it less likely we will need to defend our nation against "them all" at once.
That's the thing; an attack on the US by some enemy would result in war with NATO.
 
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That is not a teaching that applies for all time. That was an event that happened during the Israelite conquest of Canaan. The Lord told them to take a census of the Israelites because he was calling them to go to war. Later, during times of peace in Israel, those 20 year olds would be needed at home farming, not out in combat.
Hi linux.poet,

A great question that churches go through is whether the law is completely absolved by Jesus Christ or not. Paul seems to think it is, but in the Gospel that Paul did not have the law still is. Christ says that the law will last until earth and heaven pass away, and all things are fulfilled. Some churches argue that the fulfillment is the crucifixion, but Christ says that it is until heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth have not passed away, but are prophesied to pass away on the very last page of Revelation after the world ends (Revelation 21:1).

(Matthew 5:17-20)

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Regardless of which one you follow, there are numerous other prophesies in the Bible that describe the weakening, effemination and delusional disorder that comes out of the increasing lack of faith.
 
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Hi linux.poet,

A great question that churches go through is whether the law is completely absolved by Jesus Christ or not. Paul seems to think it is, but in the Gospel that Paul did not have the law still is. Christ says that the law will last until earth and heaven pass away, and all things are fulfilled. Some churches argue that the fulfillment is the crucifixion, but Christ says that it is until heaven and earth pass away. Heaven and earth have not passed away, but are prophesied to pass away on the very last page of Revelation after the world ends (Revelation 21:1).

(Matthew 5:17-20)

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Regardless of which one you follow, there are numerous other prophesies in the Bible that describe the weakening, effemination and delusional disorder that comes out of the increasing lack of faith.
Numbers 1:1-5 is not a part of the Law. It is a specific command that God gave during a specific historical event, namely the Israelite conquest of Canaan that required the men to be mustered for battle, because they were conquering the Canaanites.

God never punished the Israelites for not having a big enough standing army, and David was even punished for taking a census of his own later on. God gives specific commands to His people that apply to specific situations. Would you suggest that because Jericho fell due to being encircled seven times, that Christians are obliged to conquer walled cities by encircling them?
 
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Numbers 1:1-5 is not a part of the Law. It is a specific command that God gave during a specific historical event, namely the Israelite conquest of Canaan that required the men to be mustered for battle, because they were conquering the Canaanites.

God never punished the Israelites for not having a big enough standing army, and David was even punished for taking a census of his own later on. God gives specific commands to His people that apply to specific situations. Would you suggest that because Jericho fell due to being encircled seven times, that Christians are obliged to conquer walled cities by encircling them?
When I read your first post I didn't read it very carefully. I only read half of it and realized you said something different after I replied, but it was too late. Regardless if that was the law, it was the law the priests could not join the army. King David had the power to make priests out of the tribe of Judah (2 Samuel 8:18) like Jesus (Revelation 1:6). King David was king and priest (Psalms 110:4). God desires his nation to be a nation of priests, protected by holy law (Exodus 19:6).

A nation of priests protected by God's law means an educated nation and a free nation. All of the men who are working in their jobs could be called upon at anytime to protect their nation. They don't have to be in constant service, but they have to be awake, sober, and ready. This is God's will that the nation will be functioning so that everyone priests, soldiers, and ordinary men will be free with access to knowledge.
 
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When I read your first post I didn't read it very carefully. I only read half of it and realized you said something different after I replied, but it was too late. Regardless if that was the law, it was the law the priests could not join the army. King David had the power to make priests out of the tribe of Judah (2 Samuel 8:18) like Jesus (Revelation 1:6). King David was king and priest (Psalms 110:4). God desires his nation to be a nation of priests, protected by holy law (Exodus 19:6).

A nation of priests protected by God's law means an educated nation and a free nation. All of the men who are working in their jobs could be called upon at anytime to protect their nation. They don't have to be in constant service, but they have to be awake, sober, and ready. This is God's will that the nation will be functioning so that everyone priests, soldiers, and ordinary men will be free with access to knowledge.

The holy nation and kingdom of priests is the Church, not any state. And the Church is not armed with swords and chariots, but with the Gospel of peace.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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King David had the power to make priests out of the tribe of Judah (2 Samuel 8:18) like Jesus (Revelation 1:6). King David was king and priest (Psalms 110:4). God desires his nation to be a nation of priests, protected by holy law (Exodus 19:6).
I think Psalm 110:4 refers to Christ only and not to David. 2 Samuel 8:18 says “minister” and not priest, and there is a difference between minister and priest. Only God can designate priests.
 
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The holy nation and kingdom of priests is the Church, not any state. And the Church is not armed with swords and chariots, but with the Gospel of peace.

-CryptoLutheran
Throughout the Bible it is referenced that the nations are separate. Jesus Christ will judge between the nations like a shepherd separates sheep from goats (King James Version, Matthew 25:32). Therefore, it is important to take care of your own nation and make sure it appears acceptable before the Lord. Also, in Revelation, Christ will give an iron scepter and the morning star to the one who is victorious and keeps his words until the end. The iron scepter will be used to dash the nations into pieces like pottery (Revelation 2:26-27).

I think Psalm 110:4 refers to Christ only and not to David. 2 Samuel 8:18 says “minister” and not priest, and there is a difference between minister and priest. Only God can designate priests.
David had the powers of a priest because he was king. God did not intend for Israel to have a king, but they demanded it so David acquired the powers of the priest like the Levites. David was the messiah, which means he was the anointed one. Jesus Christ was also from the tribe of Judah from Joseph's side, and arguably a Levite from Mary's side who was part Judah and Levi. Jesus says he is the root and Offspring of David (Revelation 22:16).

Paul begins to talk about this and Psalm 110 in Hebrews 7:11-28
 
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The DoD keeps spouting that statistic, but I'm not so sure it's valid. The only data the DoD actually has is on those youth who have attempted to enlist. Only 24 percent of those who attempted to enlist were qualified.

But those who attempted to enlist isn't a truly representative sample of American youth. The youth who don't attempt to enlist includes most of those who have more desirable options. Those youth are less likely to have criminal records and all the other disqualification factors. The DoD doesn't actually have that data.

Remember, though, the discussion today about enlistments is about Generation Z. Generation Z has issues beyond military enlistment qualifications.
That fits with my experience in the 1970s. While I was resisting the draft I had to take a preinduction physical. It seemed to me that the vast majority of those there fell into one of 2 groups. Those who did not want in who the military wanted and those who did want in that the military did not want.
 
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That fits with my experience in the 1970s. While I was resisting the draft I had to take a preinduction physical. It seemed to me that the vast majority of those there fell into one of 2 groups. Those who did not want in who the military wanted and those who did want in that the military did not want.
Catch-22.
 
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David had the powers of a priest because he was king. God did not intend for Israel to have a king, but they demanded it so David acquired the powers of the priest like the Levites.
Uh, no. David did not have the powers of the priesthood like the levites. Nowhere in the book of Deuteronomy is priesthood conveyed upon a king. I mean, check out the story of Saul, who was punished for sacrificing to the Lord and not waiting for Samuel. He was king right before David. David did not offer his own sacrifices without the support of the actual priesthood. Other kings who offered sacrifices to God were punished as well.

Anyway, this is starting to get off topic, so I’m going to peace out. I think you need to reread Deuteronomy, 1 and 2 Samuel, and 1 and 2 Kings though, and remember that the Bible needs to be interpreted so it is consistent with itself.
 
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Throughout the Bible it is referenced that the nations are separate. Jesus Christ will judge between the nations like a shepherd separates sheep from goats (King James Version, Matthew 25:32). Therefore, it is important to take care of your own nation and make sure it appears acceptable before the Lord. Also, in Revelation, Christ will give an iron scepter and the morning star to the one who is victorious and keeps his words until the end. The iron scepter will be used to dash the nations into pieces like pottery (Revelation 2:26-27).

The separating of sheep and goats applies to the Church. The nations are not nation-states, but peoples. The Church is comprised of people from all nations or ethne.

The judgment described in Matthew 25 is part of a series of things Jesus says concerning being a faithful servant in the Olivet Discourse. It begins earlier in Matthew 24:45, this goes on to include two parables, the Parable of the Ten Virgins and the Parable of the Talents, both involve being watchful and faithful concerning the Lord's return. The description of Judgment follows this; the ones being judged are those who call Christ Lord, when we as Christians stand before our Lord's Throne the Lord is going to ask us how we treated the least of these. How we treat the least of these is central to what it means to be a faithful servant of Christ.

If you haven't, I'd encourage you to read these things in context. Because your interpretations do not follow the context of the Scriptures you reference.

Again, in St. John's Apocalypse which you refer to, it is part of the message given to the Church in Thyatira,

"But to the rest of you in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay on you any other burden. Only hold fast what you have until I come. The one who conquers and who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations, and he will rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received authority from My Father." - Revelation 2:24-27

The context is the troublesome preaching of a false prophet, simply named "Jezebel" here, whom many have been swayed into following in Thyatira. However, those who have not, those who remain faithful and keep on enduring, Jesus promises what all who are His are promised: To rule and reign with Him.

There's absolutely nothing about Jesus choosing good countries and bad countries, and giving special blessings to good countries. This is about the Day of Judgment, when you and I, who profess faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, must stand and give answer to the way we lived our lives; for not all who say "Lord, Lord" are His. As those called, summoned by Christ, to take up our cross, to suffer in and with and for Him as His disciples, we have a sworn obligation to follow the Lord, and to follow and abide in Him and what He has said and given us.

So, we are taught, that how we treat the least of these shall be regarded with so great a priority on the Day of Judgment. We cannot rest on our laurels thinking we are good and righteous because we merely call Jesus Lord; faith is not empty words, but a life of contrition, devotion, and confession. We have nothing to offer God except the empty hands of a beggar, and God having so immensely blessed us with the very righteousness of Christ, that in His super-abundance of grace He saves us, redeems us, and set upon us the work of sanctification. For having nothing to offer, God so loves us, and saves us, and grants us faith to trust and believe. And having received these things, we are called with a singular calling: to follow Jesus Christ, toward the cross. And to aim ourselves toward that cross, taking that journey step-by-step, we are invited through myriad opportunities to show faithfulness:

Aa person curses me, I shall bless in return; a person injures me, I shall forgive and love them; a person persecutes me, I shall pray for them, not only shall I pray for their repentance, I shall pray for good fortune upon them that they may be blessed. When I am struck on the one cheek, I shall not respond in kind; but rather turn and offer the other cheek, remembering that Christ, when struck and beaten, did not retaliate but rather endured with patience, humility, and love for His suffering was for our sake and God is found not in power but weakness. Our lives shall be, as St. Paul taught, as living sacrifices that our every activity with our body shall be pleasing to God, offered in sacrifice and servant-hood in love toward others. That we shall not be, as St. Paul also says, conformed to the ways of this present fallen disorder of a world, harboring and loving the power and glory of this disordered mess; but instead be transformed by the renewing of our mind; to therefore take upon ourselves the mind of Christ, His disposition and way: even though He was very and true God, did not exploit His equality with God but instead gave Himself up entirely, taking on the form of a slave, bearing every weakness of being human, and even enduring the total humiliation and shame of the cross.

For to live is Christ and to die is gain.
I am, therefore, sworn to total and unyielding allegiance to Jesus Christ and His cross. And no other power or glory is permitted any part of me, for I am entirely and wholly the property of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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