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You do not understand fatalism or scripture. Sophocles used fate and chance interchangeably, is that what you mean? Or do you men the worldview where there is no god and things are just destined to happen?
Vincent Cheung:
"By some definitions, the terms “determinism” and “fatalism” are similar.
For example, some English dictionaries would define these terms in ways that fail to make a clear distinction between them. Merriam-Webster is too ambiguous for our purpose, and Webster’s New World Thesaurus considers the two synonymous. Certainly, even those who affirm “soft” determinism and accuse me of teaching fatalism would not want to accept these ambiguous definitions, since then they would become “soft fatalists” at best.
The definitions in theological and philosophical literature might be more precise.
By “fatalism,” I refer to the teaching that all events are predetermined by impersonal forces regardless of means, so that no matter what a person does, the same outcome will result.
By “determinism,” I am specifically referring to theological or divine determinism — I am referring to the teaching that the personal God of the Bible has intelligently and immutably predetermined all events, including all human thoughts, decisions, and actions, and that by predetermining both the ends and the means to those ends."
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"What are people going to accuse me of now? I can’t be accused of teaching fatalism, since I am saying that fatalism is too weak! But slanderers will think of something."
What kind of parent would love their child but not override their free choice to save them when headed to hell? That's a wicked, devilish doctrine. I guess you're assuming all people are God's children, but that' isn't scripturally true, it's an Arminian dream. Would God love, but not save...and love and send to hell?
I made this video years ago for people that teach the humanistic gospel of freewill works religion.
What kind of parent would love their child but not override their free choice to save them when headed to hell?You do not understand fatalism or scripture. Sophocles used fate and chance interchangeably, is that what you mean? Or do you men the worldview where there is no god and things are just destined to happen?
Vincent Cheung:
"By some definitions, the terms “determinism” and “fatalism” are similar.
For example, some English dictionaries would define these terms in ways that fail to make a clear distinction between them. Merriam-Webster is too ambiguous for our purpose, and Webster’s New World Thesaurus considers the two synonymous. Certainly, even those who affirm “soft” determinism and accuse me of teaching fatalism would not want to accept these ambiguous definitions, since then they would become “soft fatalists” at best.
The definitions in theological and philosophical literature might be more precise.
By “fatalism,” I refer to the teaching that all events are predetermined by impersonal forces regardless of means, so that no matter what a person does, the same outcome will result.
By “determinism,” I am specifically referring to theological or divine determinism — I am referring to the teaching that the personal God of the Bible has intelligently and immutably predetermined all events, including all human thoughts, decisions, and actions, and that by predetermining both the ends and the means to those ends."
and
"What are people going to accuse me of now? I can’t be accused of teaching fatalism, since I am saying that fatalism is too weak! But slanderers will think of something."
What kind of parent would love their child but not override their free choice to save them when headed to hell? That's a wicked, devilish doctrine. I guess you're assuming all people are God's children, but that' isn't scripturally true, it's an Arminian dream. Would God love, but not save...and love and send to hell?
I made this video years ago for people that teach the humanistic gospel of freewill works religion.
A parent can instruct, and pray for his children. He cannot force their decision for Christ.
Concerning fatalistic - Calvanism is a doctrine where God does all the choosing. He is the potter and we are the clay. The pot has no say in his own fate. And you call Arminianism evil.
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