Formal Debate Peanut Gallery: The Bible Is Not the Inspired Word of God
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I do think that pshun is starting to do better. Having studied a good deal of evidence for the authenticity of the OT and NT, I do have to say that I believe that some of BlueLightningTN's facts are suspect.
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1) It doesn't transcend the culture.
well his interpretation of the waters above and below proves that God for sure spoke outside of that guys culture anyway..... especially after that drawing..
I count that a........ fail!!
well his interpretation of the waters above and below proves that God for sure spoke outside of that guys culture anyway..... especially after that drawing..
I count that a........ fail!!
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he doesn't know that EL is the Biblical Elishah / Alashiyah/ Elysian Fields . lots of refferences and city states etc. are in this name.. etc ( lots of spellings) clearly the same source ( it means God saves ) , He is one of the Baals, grandsons of Noah. and was worshipped by the Canaanites who took a kingdom from Elishah daughters ( I think or suspect Tarshish probably was a female line but they claim rights to ownership through their fathers name but by their male sons ) , these Canaanites who worshiped all their ancestors.. especially when it was as rich in goods as that line was at one time .
Elishah: `Elishah` (Gen.10:4). Pottery head from Aiya Irini, Cyprus. 6th century BC. (Museum, Nicosia, Cyprus).
now compare that picture of the bust of Elishah to the picture EL he posted.
seems to many Athiest don't know what they don't know.. and to busy making up the rest.
especially ancestors that borrowed from others to claim their lands and breed rights to the Baals/ Owners goods..
people and many other Liberal arts professors have stuff so mixed up.
just because they can and because they want to I guess.
Elishah: `Elishah` (Gen.10:4). Pottery head from Aiya Irini, Cyprus. 6th century BC. (Museum, Nicosia, Cyprus).
now compare that picture of the bust of Elishah to the picture EL he posted.
seems to many Athiest don't know what they don't know.. and to busy making up the rest.
especially ancestors that borrowed from others to claim their lands and breed rights to the Baals/ Owners goods..
people and many other Liberal arts professors have stuff so mixed up.
just because they can and because they want to I guess.
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The "debate" seems to be two ships passing in the night now, each side offering up evidentiary materials with no commentary directed at arguments presented, wrestling them to ground. In other words, the last few posts seem to be blog entries.
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He is so wrong about Pharaohs and who they were and weren't . God didn't lie..
scientism is so ignorant and lying. maybe just so that they can accuse the Bible of being false I guess.. because the truth is so obvious..
scientism is so ignorant and lying. maybe just so that they can accuse the Bible of being false I guess.. because the truth is so obvious..
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on the colt issues all I can say there is just way to many city folks around..
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BlueLightningTN has just posted his final post: #20; we await pshun2404's final summation.
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I see people praising Blue's arguments, but here's what I see, just in his opening statement. He dictates to the Almighty what His Word should look like.
Our species has always missed the visitation of the Divine by Him appearing in some way we did not expect. Those that cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and Blue fits that mold here.
Going on:
1) It does indeed transcend the culture in which it was written.
2) If the text never held contradictions we would not be challenged to determine what is right on our own. This would defeat a primary purpose of communication from the Divine.
3) "Accurate in its factual details?" Well, what if the context is a moralistic story? Blue is apparently unaware of the 3 most important things when considering any text: context, context, and ... context.
4) The portrayal of the Divine. Well, if Blue sees that as immature and petty I don't know what Bible he is reading. Either that or he is missing a lot, and debate will not cure that.
5) The text should represent the best humanity can aspire to. Well the text does much more than that. It covers the whole gamut of human emotion, potential, and literature. And the focus throughout, and final culmination, is Christ. Does Blue know Christ? If not I fail to see how he might be able to comment on any of this. Then again I don't debate, I just call em like I see em.
Our species has always missed the visitation of the Divine by Him appearing in some way we did not expect. Those that cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and Blue fits that mold here.
Going on:
1) It does indeed transcend the culture in which it was written.
2) If the text never held contradictions we would not be challenged to determine what is right on our own. This would defeat a primary purpose of communication from the Divine.
3) "Accurate in its factual details?" Well, what if the context is a moralistic story? Blue is apparently unaware of the 3 most important things when considering any text: context, context, and ... context.
4) The portrayal of the Divine. Well, if Blue sees that as immature and petty I don't know what Bible he is reading. Either that or he is missing a lot, and debate will not cure that.
5) The text should represent the best humanity can aspire to. Well the text does much more than that. It covers the whole gamut of human emotion, potential, and literature. And the focus throughout, and final culmination, is Christ. Does Blue know Christ? If not I fail to see how he might be able to comment on any of this. Then again I don't debate, I just call em like I see em.
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Debate is finished, so any questions you have for me are more than welcome. I'll try to address any dialogue promptly. That said, I will not be continuing the debate, as the formal thread is extensive and sufficient for now.
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Tyre probably taken by Canannites for it's first political destruction years before that event and filth spread around the Mediterranean by them and it is what links Egypt and Tyre forever. Stuff you don't understand and will never be explained if left to scientism..
now That little part you stand in judgement of Ezekiel ability to hear and convey God's voice .. well he also is speaking of the last destruction .
Isaiah 23 is about the the destruction of Tyre you speak of.
So it barren only 70 years... then it goes back to whoring. he also hints at a future event that is one of total devastation..." my bones my bones" is about some horrific thing man does to himself.... by some act of betrayal. probably blaming someone who didn't do it.
Both of these men's prophecy speaks of a future total destruction event ( which has not happened at that point.. or up to now ). which leaves the prophecy open and yet to be fulfilled in full. with two witnesses and 2 partial fulfillment's , sir it IS going to happen...maybe you can take notes when it does.
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What if you read the Bible Literally?: Redeem the firstborn donkey with a lamb or break its neck
ps a male foal of a donkey or horse is called a colt.
The bible didn't get it wrong! it's people that got it wrong.... city people get it wrong.
ps a male foal of a donkey or horse is called a colt.
The bible didn't get it wrong! it's people that got it wrong.... city people get it wrong.
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Tyre was prophesied to be utterly destroyed. It wasn't, and it is currently a nice tourist town. You seem to think Isaiah and Ezekiel were prophesying about events at least three-thousand years in the future; this does not appear to be the case given their contexts, but you are free to that opinion. Matthew does error on the translation, thus resulting in that gospel not saying what the other gospels do. I live in Southeastern Tennessee, so I'm not sure I qualify as "city people." Even if I did, facts are facts regardless.
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"It wasn't" yet!
seems you or a city folk got that wrong. No Matthew didn't didn't get it wrong .
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the Living bible or some other version ? because you or someone doing the translation got that wrong.... someone didn't know what a donkey's colt was.
it is an untrained male foal of a donkey or horse.
So Jesus was riding an untrained male donkey.. the choice Jesus is presented is that God must break the stubborn donkeys neck ( which he did try for a very long time) or offer a lamb for it's redemption..
... it had to be exactly that to say what he needed to say to them and fulfill the prophecies.
I think your using a goofy translation..... God is obviously not responsible for everything stupid man does.
seems you or a city folk got that wrong. No Matthew didn't didn't get it wrong .
. or you were using maybe
the Living bible or some other version ? because you or someone doing the translation got that wrong.... someone didn't know what a donkey's colt was.
it is an untrained male foal of a donkey or horse.
So Jesus was riding an untrained male donkey.. the choice Jesus is presented is that God must break the stubborn donkeys neck ( which he did try for a very long time) or offer a lamb for it's redemption..
... it had to be exactly that to say what he needed to say to them and fulfill the prophecies.
I think your using a goofy translation..... God is obviously not responsible for everything stupid man does.
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Ezekial is correct.. and he never says Tyre one time!!!!!!
you all see what you want to see.
Tyrus is a people/ a clan/ a tribe / nation with many city states and lands...Of sea going people......Tyrus is not just one city. ISAIAH speaks of o the destruction you all speak of. and like it says in Isaiah the daughters of know He is God.
Tyrus is so gone you don't even know it ever existed..
the destruction of Tyre may still come if Is. 24 is about it being betrayed. but Is 24 can be about alot of things which could happen yet or did happen .
as far as the total destruction of Tyrus...it is so gone your religion doesn't even know it ever existed. God is never wrong!
well then mankind is always being weighed and found wanting..
Psa 53:4
Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
as long as scientism is in control you will have no knowledge unless you ask him what he did and where he did it..
you all see what you want to see.
Tyrus is a people/ a clan/ a tribe / nation with many city states and lands...Of sea going people......Tyrus is not just one city. ISAIAH speaks of o the destruction you all speak of. and like it says in Isaiah the daughters of know He is God.
Tyrus is so gone you don't even know it ever existed..
the destruction of Tyre may still come if Is. 24 is about it being betrayed. but Is 24 can be about alot of things which could happen yet or did happen .
as far as the total destruction of Tyrus...it is so gone your religion doesn't even know it ever existed. God is never wrong!
well then mankind is always being weighed and found wanting..
Psa 53:4
Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread: they have not called upon God.
as long as scientism is in control you will have no knowledge unless you ask him what he did and where he did it..
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