Will Jesus physically return to Earth?

[Tangible]

Sounds pretty close to "Preterism" to me, which view I am of

HERETIC !!! (joking)

Amillennialism is similar in some respects to Partial Preterism, but as I am sure you are aware, many view full preterism as ... heterodox.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

HERETIC !!! (joking)

Amillennialism is similar in some respects to Partial Preterism, but as I am sure you are aware, many view full preterism as ... heterodox.

Yeah. I have a big fat H branded on me forehead and I carry around a broken sword....drum roll please...

http://www.christianforums.com/t7392923-29/#post52748967
How much of Matthew 24 is fulfilled [moved from GT to UT]

YouTube - Branded

 

[Timothew]

According to lark news, we're all "left behind"
LarkNews.com

 

[brinny]

According to lark news, we're all "left behind"
LarkNews.com

 

[Celticflower]

According to lark news, we're all "left behind"
LarkNews.com

Figures. I always miss the good stuff.

 

[Aibrean]

You need an option for both. I went with the first one because it comes first.

 

[msdizzydolores]

I chose the first. We will meet him in the air (the Rapture) and his feet will touch the ground when he comes back to reign 1,000 years (after the Tribulation).

And dude, that link made me look side eyed at whoever wrote that. Is that a legit site?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

5. When Christ returns, "new heavens and a new earth" will be created (2 Pet. 3:10-13). Nowhere, however, do the Scriptures teach that at His return Christ will establish a this-worldly, political kingdom or "millennium."

From: http://www.lcms.org/graphics/assets/media/CTCR/endtme-2.pdf

What does the 1000 yrs of Revelations mean to you?

 

[Timothew]

I chose the first. We will meet him in the air (the Rapture) and his feet will touch the ground when he comes back to reign 1,000 years (after the Tribulation).

And dude, that link made me look side eyed at whoever wrote that. Is that a legit site?

It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, or a lot tongue in cheek. It's meant to be joking.

 

[Secundulus]

Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into Heaven. The angels who appeared to the Apostles said He'd descend just as He ascended.

I second that!

 

[msdizzydolores]

It's a bit tongue-in-cheek, or a lot tongue in cheek. It's meant to be joking.

Glad to hear that it was a joke. I knew it was, but it could really throw off a babe in the Lord who sees it. You know what I mean?

 

[Timothew]

Glad to hear that it was a joke. I knew it was, but it could really throw off a babe in the Lord who sees it. You know what I mean?

So could dispensationalism, but what can you do?
(I'm joking again, OK?)

 

[msdizzydolores]

So could dispensationalism, but what can you do?
(I'm joking again, OK?)

You kid you kid...

Not apologizing for my beliefs!!!

 

[zeke37]

Will his feet actually touch the ground in the second coming?

1 Thess 1:17 states we will be caught up to meet him in the air, Rev 21 seems to support this idea by describing the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven and the bride of Christ (church) is within, and this is after the old heaven and earth had passed away, also backed up in Matt 24:35.

However there are some who suggest Jesus will physically return to Earth. They support this by quoting Zechariah 14:4 which says, "in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives," and Revelation 11:15 which says, 'The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!'"

Does Zechariah 14 and Rev 11 describe the second coming?

on the earth, because the Bible cannot contradict Itself...

if there is a seeming contraversy,
then it has been man who has interpreted It wrong...

as it is with the timing of the Gathering to Christ/rapture



Paul uses the words clouds (cloudiness) and air (blast, breath of life)....in 1Thes14

Paul also uses cloud(s) in Heb12:1 to represent a mass multitude...
and we know from many scriptures that Christ comes with masses...clouds of believers from heaven

Paul also uses the word pneuma in 1Cor15, to teach us of the mystery change that happens to all flesh at Christ's Coming...
the change from flesh and blood, into the breath of life/spiritual body

pneuma essentially means air...pneumatic tires etc...

Paul is using air as he would use pneuma



so, in 1Thes4:13-18, Paul is teaching us.....

that Christ will return with the dead believers,
clouds of them

and they will be raised to life again first,
before anyone alive is even gathered...

and then after the returning dead are raised to life one arth again as promised,
those faithful believers alive one arth at that time,
will be changed into the same air/pneuma body that they coming from heaven have...

then the two groups, the firstfruits from both heaven and earth,
shall be gathered to Christ, where ever He is....


now, is Christ coming here? Yes. Zec14 and Rev11/14 and others...

is a large massive cloud of believers coming with Him from heaven? Yes they are. Mar13, 1Cor15, 1Thes4, Rev19

and are we going to be changed into the spiritual body ? (the "Spirit" part of the Holy Spirit is Pneuma.
Yes we are, at His Coming

get it?

we do not go to heaven...we stay right here...
Christ is Coming here forever and ever

 

[zeke37]

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

 

[Timothew]

2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God,
and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Have you considered the amillenial viewpoint?

 

[Tangible]

What does the 1000 yrs of Revelations mean to you?

1000 years is symbolic of the eternal earthly reign of Christ.

Revelations, aka The Apocalypse of John, like passages in Daniel, Isaiah, and some of other prophets, is apocalyptic literature. Apocalyptic literature is similar to parables in that it communicates literal truth by non-literal means.

On the other hand, narrative literature, such as historical passages in the OT, the gospels, Acts and the epistles, communicates actual events by literal means.

I'm sometimes amused by those who would take non-literal apocalyptic literature so literally (1000 years) but then decide that narrative passages ("this is my body") do not mean what they say literally.

 

[Timothew]

1000 years is symbolic of the eternal earthly reign of Christ.

Revelations, aka The Apocalypse of John, like passages in Daniel, Isaiah, and some of other prophets, is apocalyptic literature. Apocalyptic literature is similar to parables in that it communicates literal truth by non-literal means.

On the other hand, narrative literature, such as historical passages in the OT, the gospels, Acts and the epistles, communicates actual events by literal means.

I'm sometimes amused by those who would take non-literal apocalyptic literature so literally (1000 years) but then decide that narrative passages ("this is my body") do not mean what they say literally.

That is amusing! They're both symbols!

 

[Timothew]

You kid you kid...

Not apologizing for my beliefs!!!

You don't have to. I can be serious, http://www.christianforums.com/t7440780-14/#post54214840

but I prefer to make my point in an amusing way. Only 2 people, the 2 that got the eschatology exactly correct, made it in the rapture. I think that's funny! "I disagreed with him on one point, I regret that now."

 

[Hentenza]

1000 years is symbolic of the eternal earthly reign of Christ.

Revelations, aka The Apocalypse of John, like passages in Daniel, Isaiah, and some of other prophets, is apocalyptic literature. Apocalyptic literature is similar to parables in that it communicates literal truth by non-literal means.

On the other hand, narrative literature, such as historical passages in the OT, the gospels, Acts and the epistles, communicates actual events by literal means.

I'm sometimes amused by those who would take non-literal apocalyptic literature so literally (1000 years) but then decide that narrative passages ("this is my body") do not mean what they say literally.

Is all apocalyptic literature non literal?