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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77658401" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>I am not sure how you have worded this as you have named 4 things here. Acceptance of violence, then also hierarchies, power and control and finally rigid roles.</p><p></p><p>Or is this acceptance of violent as in qualifying the 3 beliefs in 1)hierarchies, 2) power and control and 3) rigid household roles as having to be violent as part of qualifying them as beliefs in abuse.</p><p></p><p>I gave you that evidence showing people believe in CP, rigid roles and hierarchies and don't abuse. We know that many parents believe in CP and don't abuse. We know that hierarchies are a natural part of families and society and by people using them shows they believe in them. What more evidence do you need.</p><p></p><p>We are coming back to the same point as before about the seperation and qualification of two of the core beliefs as being conflated as being abusive and why those particular examples are highlighted above all other possible situations that may involve control, abuse and violence.</p><p></p><p>What ideologues tend to do is conflate hierarchies and rigid roles such as Trad marriages as abusive perse. Thats why I keep questioning what exactly qualifies as an abusive belief because like I said a couple who believe in Trad marriages which involves a degree of rigid roles and control or loss of control as far as autonomy and its not abusive.</p><p></p><p>So I find it hard to understand the logic of conflating these specific beliefs in hierarchies and rigid or set roles with abuse. Because this would mean where ever we see a hierarchy for example people will assume its abusive because its been conflated as abusive.</p><p></p><p>Actually it doesn't and thats why I said there has to be more to it. Anyone who claims they know that there is "no more to it" when it comes to a complex issue like human behaviour should be viewed with skepticism because of the simple fact that they are restricting all possibilities down one thing. When in fact complex issues involve more than one thing. </p><p></p><p>A brief skim over the evidence I linked shows there is much more. I just filled pages of information directly talking about belief linked to abuse and violence that mention much more than "which beliefs people hold" that are all linked to abuse and violence. About the factors and determinants that influence the mindset, emotions and the psyche which influence beliefs.</p><p></p><p>Beliefs don't exist in the world in isolation. They are a cognition so the mindset if relevant, emotions, perceptions, biology, psychology, genetics its all associated and influential to why people believe.</p><p></p><p>Actually its getting late and I just spotted another article you linked so I will finish up and have a read and get back to you. Thankyou.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77658401, member: 342064"] I am not sure how you have worded this as you have named 4 things here. Acceptance of violence, then also hierarchies, power and control and finally rigid roles. Or is this acceptance of violent as in qualifying the 3 beliefs in 1)hierarchies, 2) power and control and 3) rigid household roles as having to be violent as part of qualifying them as beliefs in abuse. I gave you that evidence showing people believe in CP, rigid roles and hierarchies and don't abuse. We know that many parents believe in CP and don't abuse. We know that hierarchies are a natural part of families and society and by people using them shows they believe in them. What more evidence do you need. We are coming back to the same point as before about the seperation and qualification of two of the core beliefs as being conflated as being abusive and why those particular examples are highlighted above all other possible situations that may involve control, abuse and violence. What ideologues tend to do is conflate hierarchies and rigid roles such as Trad marriages as abusive perse. Thats why I keep questioning what exactly qualifies as an abusive belief because like I said a couple who believe in Trad marriages which involves a degree of rigid roles and control or loss of control as far as autonomy and its not abusive. So I find it hard to understand the logic of conflating these specific beliefs in hierarchies and rigid or set roles with abuse. Because this would mean where ever we see a hierarchy for example people will assume its abusive because its been conflated as abusive. Actually it doesn't and thats why I said there has to be more to it. Anyone who claims they know that there is "no more to it" when it comes to a complex issue like human behaviour should be viewed with skepticism because of the simple fact that they are restricting all possibilities down one thing. When in fact complex issues involve more than one thing. A brief skim over the evidence I linked shows there is much more. I just filled pages of information directly talking about belief linked to abuse and violence that mention much more than "which beliefs people hold" that are all linked to abuse and violence. About the factors and determinants that influence the mindset, emotions and the psyche which influence beliefs. Beliefs don't exist in the world in isolation. They are a cognition so the mindset if relevant, emotions, perceptions, biology, psychology, genetics its all associated and influential to why people believe. Actually its getting late and I just spotted another article you linked so I will finish up and have a read and get back to you. Thankyou. [/QUOTE]
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