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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="stevevw" data-source="post: 77658086" data-attributes="member: 342064"><p>If non abusers have different beliefs to abusers then they must have different mindsets. </p><p></p><p>Yes and I am saying there are lots of examples like this of normal and legitimate controls over people, over society that are required to ensure society runs without chaos. </p><p></p><p>So therefore just like parents believe in a healthy degree of control over kids and its not abusive so are other beliefs we have in the differences which may lead to some having more control over others. </p><p></p><p>Yes that is the difference in the minset between an abuser and a non abuser. They believe in the same idea but the abuser is unable to be protector and opener of potential but the opposite. That requires a different worldview and mindset that rather than see the healthy and positive sees the negative and destructive. </p><p></p><p>Yes when we look at why people behave the way they do we look at beliefs because the way people behave despite what they claim they believe reveal what they truely believe deep down. </p><p></p><p>But belief is the last stage or result of experiences and the effects this has on the psyche and mind. Belief is really a state of mind, the mind is all there is and all behaviour come positive or negative come from the mind. The state of the mind. </p><p></p><p>So you cannot understand abuse just by the belief. You have to understand the mindset behind the belief. </p><p></p><p>First any model that attempts to understand human behaviour needs to be multilevel including the individual, family, community and societal factors. Do you agree or disgree with this. </p><p></p><p>So what does a belief in a hierarchy tell us.</p><p></p><p>Yes we can. Just like we can determine the risk factors for obesity. We use this basis for health and wellbeing policy like diet and healthy options (protective factors) to mitigate those risk factors. If it works for all other behaviour relating to health and wellbeing issues then it works for abuse and violent behaviour. </p><p></p><p>But the actual risk factors for belief itself they are to do with factors or as in your link says "Determinants of belief and attitudes" regarding inappropriate parental behaviour, they are the factors that cause the cognitive dirtortions which beliefs stem from. They happen to also align with the risk factors for abuse itself. Its a self feeding circle where distress causes irrational thinking and beliefs and irrational thinking and beliefs cause distress. </p><p></p><p>Thats because your request is unreal. Your rejecting the evidence which shows the mindset for beliefs like the specific ones you request because they don't specifically name the specific beliefs you insist on. </p><p></p><p>I have repeatedly explained that the scales, the articles are all explaining the mindset, they type of thinking behind the specific beliefs you want and that it is the mindset and not the specific beliefs that are at the root of understanding the abuser. But you keep repeating this false analogy. </p><p></p><p>BUt we are talking about destructive behaviour as a result of the thinking and not the everyday thinking that may be unrealistic realised before the point of effecting behaviour to the point of abuse, self abuse or other inappropriate behaviour. </p><p></p><p>But quite often even everyday unrealistic thinking does cause problems by the fact that if people persist in them they will cause some sort of problem, social problem, in relationships, at work, in debates causing people to believe things without facts, fad diets, money scams, where ever. </p><p></p><p>So its really a matter of degrees in which unrealistic thinking will effect humans in one way of another and when persisted in and with increased severity can lead to destructive beliefs and behaviours. </p><p></p><p>Yes so even everyday unrealistic thinking, denial will cause problems, social problems, problems for others and themselves. </p><p></p><p>So imagine that unreality and denail 10 times for some and you begin to see how the mindset behind beliefs works. How people don't want to face things due to an unreal fear and threat which then dictates their thinking and beliefs. How that is inappropriate and destructive behaviour to varying degrees.</p><p></p><p>In this case these people don't want to know about the costs perhaps, or that God will keep the building safe lol. I don't know. BUt like child abuse has limits for CP so does safty of others. These people are being unrealistic about the safety of others. They are in denial that their church is unsafe and may harm someone.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="stevevw, post: 77658086, member: 342064"] If non abusers have different beliefs to abusers then they must have different mindsets. Yes and I am saying there are lots of examples like this of normal and legitimate controls over people, over society that are required to ensure society runs without chaos. So therefore just like parents believe in a healthy degree of control over kids and its not abusive so are other beliefs we have in the differences which may lead to some having more control over others. Yes that is the difference in the minset between an abuser and a non abuser. They believe in the same idea but the abuser is unable to be protector and opener of potential but the opposite. That requires a different worldview and mindset that rather than see the healthy and positive sees the negative and destructive. Yes when we look at why people behave the way they do we look at beliefs because the way people behave despite what they claim they believe reveal what they truely believe deep down. But belief is the last stage or result of experiences and the effects this has on the psyche and mind. Belief is really a state of mind, the mind is all there is and all behaviour come positive or negative come from the mind. The state of the mind. So you cannot understand abuse just by the belief. You have to understand the mindset behind the belief. First any model that attempts to understand human behaviour needs to be multilevel including the individual, family, community and societal factors. Do you agree or disgree with this. So what does a belief in a hierarchy tell us. Yes we can. Just like we can determine the risk factors for obesity. We use this basis for health and wellbeing policy like diet and healthy options (protective factors) to mitigate those risk factors. If it works for all other behaviour relating to health and wellbeing issues then it works for abuse and violent behaviour. But the actual risk factors for belief itself they are to do with factors or as in your link says "Determinants of belief and attitudes" regarding inappropriate parental behaviour, they are the factors that cause the cognitive dirtortions which beliefs stem from. They happen to also align with the risk factors for abuse itself. Its a self feeding circle where distress causes irrational thinking and beliefs and irrational thinking and beliefs cause distress. Thats because your request is unreal. Your rejecting the evidence which shows the mindset for beliefs like the specific ones you request because they don't specifically name the specific beliefs you insist on. I have repeatedly explained that the scales, the articles are all explaining the mindset, they type of thinking behind the specific beliefs you want and that it is the mindset and not the specific beliefs that are at the root of understanding the abuser. But you keep repeating this false analogy. BUt we are talking about destructive behaviour as a result of the thinking and not the everyday thinking that may be unrealistic realised before the point of effecting behaviour to the point of abuse, self abuse or other inappropriate behaviour. But quite often even everyday unrealistic thinking does cause problems by the fact that if people persist in them they will cause some sort of problem, social problem, in relationships, at work, in debates causing people to believe things without facts, fad diets, money scams, where ever. So its really a matter of degrees in which unrealistic thinking will effect humans in one way of another and when persisted in and with increased severity can lead to destructive beliefs and behaviours. Yes so even everyday unrealistic thinking, denial will cause problems, social problems, problems for others and themselves. So imagine that unreality and denail 10 times for some and you begin to see how the mindset behind beliefs works. How people don't want to face things due to an unreal fear and threat which then dictates their thinking and beliefs. How that is inappropriate and destructive behaviour to varying degrees. In this case these people don't want to know about the costs perhaps, or that God will keep the building safe lol. I don't know. BUt like child abuse has limits for CP so does safty of others. These people are being unrealistic about the safety of others. They are in denial that their church is unsafe and may harm someone. [/QUOTE]
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