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Kid's Corporal Punishment - a Risk to Mental Health
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<blockquote data-quote="Paidiske" data-source="post: 77645396" data-attributes="member: 386627"><p>A proven fact? And what were the criteria for analysing and ranking the problems in modern society, and who did that work, and where was it published? </p><p></p><p>This is a ridiculous claim. </p><p></p><p>I think you're conflating a bunch of distinct things, and on that basis making unfounded claims. </p><p></p><p>I mean that the fact that different people experience different levels of distress when stressed, demonstrates that stress and distress are not the same thing. </p><p></p><p>No, and I am not saying that these things are not "linked" to abuse. I am saying that we cannot say that people abuse because they are stressed. </p><p></p><p>No; my point is that many people who <strong><em>cannot</em></strong> handle stress don't abuse. There is something else in play which drives abuse, and that is the beliefs and attitudes of the parents.</p><p></p><p>And where is your evidence for this? The specific research looking at those exact beliefs and a so-called "controlling mindset"?</p><p></p><p>I have not seen a source which purports to be looking at quantifying the causative contribution of your claimed risk factors. </p><p></p><p>No, but I keep claiming that if they contibute, we ought to be able to show how, and demonstrate how much. </p><p></p><p>You have not shown that people who hold these beliefs do so because of distress. I would argue that many who hold these beliefs are not distressed in this kind of way, but do so because of social and cultural norms etc. </p><p></p><p>Again and every single time you make the same error. It is a logical error to say, "These two things tend to happen together, so that's proof one causes the other." That has to be demonstrated, not just inferred. </p><p></p><p>There is no reference to abuse in the part of it that we can see, nor is that the subject of the study. To claim that it proves anything about abuse seems a blatant misrepresentation of the study. </p><p></p><p>No. It's the absence of the beliefs and attitudes which drive abuse. Without those beliefs and attitudes, parents don't abuse, no matter the "risk factors." And with them, they will abuse, no matter the "protective factors." </p><p></p><p>Given that primary prevention work is entirely predicated on this understanding, then I'd say a lot of people are sure. </p><p></p><p>I agree that they've been formed by their life experiences, but I disagree that it's about "negative" experiences so much as the cumulative weight of total experience, especially including social and cultural norms.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Paidiske, post: 77645396, member: 386627"] A proven fact? And what were the criteria for analysing and ranking the problems in modern society, and who did that work, and where was it published? This is a ridiculous claim. I think you're conflating a bunch of distinct things, and on that basis making unfounded claims. I mean that the fact that different people experience different levels of distress when stressed, demonstrates that stress and distress are not the same thing. No, and I am not saying that these things are not "linked" to abuse. I am saying that we cannot say that people abuse because they are stressed. No; my point is that many people who [B][I]cannot[/I][/B] handle stress don't abuse. There is something else in play which drives abuse, and that is the beliefs and attitudes of the parents. And where is your evidence for this? The specific research looking at those exact beliefs and a so-called "controlling mindset"? I have not seen a source which purports to be looking at quantifying the causative contribution of your claimed risk factors. No, but I keep claiming that if they contibute, we ought to be able to show how, and demonstrate how much. You have not shown that people who hold these beliefs do so because of distress. I would argue that many who hold these beliefs are not distressed in this kind of way, but do so because of social and cultural norms etc. Again and every single time you make the same error. It is a logical error to say, "These two things tend to happen together, so that's proof one causes the other." That has to be demonstrated, not just inferred. There is no reference to abuse in the part of it that we can see, nor is that the subject of the study. To claim that it proves anything about abuse seems a blatant misrepresentation of the study. No. It's the absence of the beliefs and attitudes which drive abuse. Without those beliefs and attitudes, parents don't abuse, no matter the "risk factors." And with them, they will abuse, no matter the "protective factors." Given that primary prevention work is entirely predicated on this understanding, then I'd say a lot of people are sure. I agree that they've been formed by their life experiences, but I disagree that it's about "negative" experiences so much as the cumulative weight of total experience, especially including social and cultural norms. [/QUOTE]
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