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<blockquote data-quote="Bradskii" data-source="post: 77678311" data-attributes="member: 412388"><p>But we were talking about someone whose upbringing was so horrendous that it undoubtedly would have had an affect on him. And as you said in regard to that:</p><p></p><p>'Some through no fault of their own <strong>lack the complete freedom to will otherwise</strong>. Such constraining conditions may mitigate or even eliminate the person's <em>culpability</em> for bad choices.'</p><p></p><p>So there was no third person forcing a decision. It was his alone. But we agree that culpability was at a minimum mitigated and possibly eliminated. There was no coercion as regards his will or his act. In fact, we can exclude acts that are coerced - they aren't the type of acts with which we are concerned. They are obviously not prompted by free will choices. There's no dispute so nothing to discuss.</p><p></p><p>So...if an obviously horrendous set of circumstances, beyond a person's control can determine his or her decisions, if as you said 'through no fault of their own lack the complete freedom to will otherwise' then those decisions are patently not free will decisions.</p><p></p><p>The point being made is that it's not just a lack of education or a lousy family life that determines our decisions. It's also a world class education and a fantastically loving and caring house and home. If we had a pair of twin boys and one was brought up in one situation and one in the other, then do we say that one set of circumstances determined the decision making process and the other didn't?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bradskii, post: 77678311, member: 412388"] But we were talking about someone whose upbringing was so horrendous that it undoubtedly would have had an affect on him. And as you said in regard to that: 'Some through no fault of their own [B]lack the complete freedom to will otherwise[/B]. Such constraining conditions may mitigate or even eliminate the person's [I]culpability[/I] for bad choices.' So there was no third person forcing a decision. It was his alone. But we agree that culpability was at a minimum mitigated and possibly eliminated. There was no coercion as regards his will or his act. In fact, we can exclude acts that are coerced - they aren't the type of acts with which we are concerned. They are obviously not prompted by free will choices. There's no dispute so nothing to discuss. So...if an obviously horrendous set of circumstances, beyond a person's control can determine his or her decisions, if as you said 'through no fault of their own lack the complete freedom to will otherwise' then those decisions are patently not free will decisions. The point being made is that it's not just a lack of education or a lousy family life that determines our decisions. It's also a world class education and a fantastically loving and caring house and home. If we had a pair of twin boys and one was brought up in one situation and one in the other, then do we say that one set of circumstances determined the decision making process and the other didn't? [/QUOTE]
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