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<blockquote data-quote="FenderTL5" data-source="post: 76035533" data-attributes="member: 388072"><p>In a word, no.</p><p>What you are interjecting has nothing to do with the topic. I was and am interested in discussion and opinions <em>on topic</em>.</p><p>Your disingenuous partisan swipe has nothing to do with it. I don't care whether you think Trump was a genius or an evil tyrant - nor do I care your opinion on the current administration - NEITHER has anything to do with the topic.</p><p></p><p></p><p> I'm interested in things like: <a href="https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf" target="_blank">Mérida Initiative</a> 2007 </p><p>George W. Bush-initiated a plan that would direct billions of dollars to military equipment, aid, and infrastructure in Mexico (with smaller amounts going to Central America). One of its four pillars was the creation of "a 21st century border" by pushing Mexico to militarize its southern border. By 2013, Washington had funded 12 new military bases along that border with Guatemala and a 100-mile "security cordon" north of it.</p><p></p><p>Did this play role? Certainly.</p><p>Was it the beginning, the catalyst the "origin?"</p><p>I don't know. I would presume it goes back further than that.</p><p></p><p>copy/paste from another article:</p><p><em>In response to what was seen as a child-migrant crisis in the summer of 2014 (<a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56405009" target="_blank">sound familiar</a>?), President Barack Obama further pressured Mexico to initiate a new <a href="https://www.wola.org/files/WOLA_Increased_Enforcement_at_Mexico%27s_Southern_Border_Nov2015.pdf" target="_blank">Southern Border Program</a>. Since then, <a href="https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf" target="_blank">tens of millions</a> of dollars a year have gone toward the militarization of that border and Mexico was soon detaining tens of thousands of migrants monthly. Not surprisingly, deportations and human-rights violations against Central American migrants <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/mexico-torture-migrants-citizens-central-america" target="_blank">shot up</a>dramatically there. "Our border today in effect is Mexico's border with Honduras and Guatemala," <a href="https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/commentary-border-czar-alan-bersins-advice-acting-secretary-homeland-security" target="_blank">exulted</a> Obama's former border czar Alan Bersin in 2019. A local activist was less sanguine, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/abuse-central-american-migrants-mexico-border-rises" target="_blank">protesting</a> that the program "turned the border region into a war zone."</em></p><p></p><p>Is this true? It's not the origin, because it happened after that which I posted above.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What can be said with 100% certainty: None of this had its <em><u>origin</u></em> with Biden being elected.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="FenderTL5, post: 76035533, member: 388072"] In a word, no. What you are interjecting has nothing to do with the topic. I was and am interested in discussion and opinions [I]on topic[/I]. Your disingenuous partisan swipe has nothing to do with it. I don't care whether you think Trump was a genius or an evil tyrant - nor do I care your opinion on the current administration - NEITHER has anything to do with the topic. I'm interested in things like: [URL='https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf']Mérida Initiative[/URL] 2007 George W. Bush-initiated a plan that would direct billions of dollars to military equipment, aid, and infrastructure in Mexico (with smaller amounts going to Central America). One of its four pillars was the creation of "a 21st century border" by pushing Mexico to militarize its southern border. By 2013, Washington had funded 12 new military bases along that border with Guatemala and a 100-mile "security cordon" north of it. Did this play role? Certainly. Was it the beginning, the catalyst the "origin?" I don't know. I would presume it goes back further than that. copy/paste from another article: [I]In response to what was seen as a child-migrant crisis in the summer of 2014 ([URL='https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56405009']sound familiar[/URL]?), President Barack Obama further pressured Mexico to initiate a new [URL='https://www.wola.org/files/WOLA_Increased_Enforcement_at_Mexico%27s_Southern_Border_Nov2015.pdf']Southern Border Program[/URL]. Since then, [URL='https://fas.org/sgp/crs/row/R41349.pdf']tens of millions[/URL] of dollars a year have gone toward the militarization of that border and Mexico was soon detaining tens of thousands of migrants monthly. Not surprisingly, deportations and human-rights violations against Central American migrants [URL='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/mexico-torture-migrants-citizens-central-america']shot up[/URL]dramatically there. "Our border today in effect is Mexico's border with Honduras and Guatemala," [URL='https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/commentary-border-czar-alan-bersins-advice-acting-secretary-homeland-security']exulted[/URL] Obama's former border czar Alan Bersin in 2019. A local activist was less sanguine, [URL='https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/abuse-central-american-migrants-mexico-border-rises']protesting[/URL] that the program "turned the border region into a war zone."[/I] Is this true? It's not the origin, because it happened after that which I posted above. What can be said with 100% certainty: None of this had its [I][U]origin[/U][/I] with Biden being elected. [/QUOTE]
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