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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    This really doesn't quite make sense to me. You're saying that, even if you do a work prepared for you in advance that you'll probably run out and boast about it? Those works are compelled by compassion, love-and love doesn't boast (1 Cor 13). It doesn't boast when it gives, when it forgives...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Why??? Does simply doing what one is supposed to do anyway somehow equate to boasting? Or ensure that the person will boast? There's no reason whatsoever to presume that. Man does not forfeit or lose his freedom at justification. And this means that he can still refuse to do the will of God at...
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    Christianity no longer seems moral to me

    Most theologians have long understood that faith and reason do not contradict or conflict with each other. Faith is a supernatural gift that simply reaches beyond reason's capacity to know and to believe on its own. And science wasn't missing in the early church as some philosphers and academics...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Yes? As long as that's properly understood-in context. The Spirit will cause obedience-without our even hearing the law. Those who turn to God in faith. Well, first of all Jesus isn't going to tell us we must have good fruit without giving us some idea of what that means-and Scripture does...
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    Christianity no longer seems moral to me

    And yet despite all that, pehaps ironcially, I think there are also more and more people who're becoming jaded with the way things are, and open to the truths of our faith, open to God. If many members of previous generations often accepted Christianity for reasons of cultural tradition, without...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Justification means to be made righteous. "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." Rom 5:19 Humankind became actually unrighteous (sinful) by the disobedience of one man-and...
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    Imagine being Joseph of Arimathea

    Great points. Paul needed to be humbled, and then he was able to know the truth and not act from a place of self-righteousness or pride. It can be done; Jesus reveals that very fact in that He always acted from a place of Truth, never from ego. When we meet Him He begins to challenge and change...
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    Christianity no longer seems moral to me

    I like the way Augustine put it: “God wrote on tablets of stone that which man failed to read in his heart.” (The 10 commandments, of course.) IOW, the law or morality is already written in man’s heart; God did not create man without a moral guide or compass, a conscience. But that conscience...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Well, we take all of Scripture into account, and don't discount the historic understanding of the churches and ECFS as well. Salvation is spoken of in past, present, and future tenses in Scripture. We don't presume to be saved in the absolute sense. We can compromise our state of justice, by...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Faith is the result of grace. It's a gift. And like any gift it can be rejected. It's God beckoning us. "Come to me, all you who are weary......", while also enabling us to believe and come. In fact, it's impossible to believe most of the truths posited by the gospel apart from grace.
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Faith, itself, is a gift of grace. The point is that grace is resistible. God does not ultimately force it upon us. He's not interested in producing automatons.
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    That's to not answer the call, to not open the door, or to close it later, after tasting of the heavenly gift, after having escaped the pollution of the world. It's the prodigal returning to the pigsty, or the wicked and lazy servant being kicked out of the kingdom in Matt 25 for burying his...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Reconcilation with God means I'm now united with the only means to be clean, the only Source of authentic righteousness, the righteousness that the law and prophets could attest to but could never deliver, accomplish. And I must cooperate in that work, which is what many of the verses I cited...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Well...it's pretty simple as I see it, and as the church has understood it for centuries. His sacrifice reconciles me with God, to the extent that I even care, to the extent that I turn to Him in faith, accepting Him as my God now (Jer 31:33), something that Adam effectively failed to do. That...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    No, I'm rejecting the idea that we are justified, and thereby saved, by merely being adorned with a cloak of declared righteousness rather than by our washing our cloaks of unrighteousness (Rev 22:14). You want to deny that sinlessness has anything to do with our entering heaven, due to the fact...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    No, you're just avoiding the question. In your scenario holiness is not required in order to enter heaven, because righteousness is merely declared of or imputed to us and sanctification is sort of a side benefit. That's the problem. You can't have it both ways. It makes no sense, so this...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Oh, that wasn't God's work, as if God's church, in both the east and the west, had gotten it wrong for 1500 years. Only satan would be smiling about a "gospel" that succeeds in making it ok to remain in our sins, as God now pretends that we're righteous when we're not. He might as well retract...
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Read Scripture, the passages I listed, read the history I offered, and then get back to me, better informed this time-and hopefully no longer laughing at Christianity.
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    Yes, that was an error of the Reformation.
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    Christian "Apostasy" =unpardonable sin doctrine supposed to learn at young age

    And yet you correctly say: And Rom 6 says: "When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! But now that you have been set free from sin and have become...
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