How cool is the genealogy of Christ?

cfposter · Jun 19, 2021

In Matthew Chapter 1 you can read about the Genealogy of Christ. And it ends with the following verse:

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There is actually more to this than what meets the eye. Notice the bold part. Now understand that we are to count the years from each genealogy to figure out when Christ was born. But there is another meaning here that is more Spiritual Discerned.

I have come to see a Genealogy as Moses described. God said the generation that sinned against Him in the wilderness would not inherit the promised land. Therefore, they spent 40 years in the wilderness until that generation passed away.

Now let's do some math:

14 * 40 = 560 years

Now there is an interesting reference point here - (From the carrying away into Babylon). We know the Israelites were in Babylon for 70 years.

More math:

560 - 70 = 490 years

Seen that number (490) before?

If you have studied Daniels 70 Weeks prophecy, you will know that it leads from the end of the captivity to to the Crucifixion of Christ.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

pdudgeon · Jun 19, 2021

Keep going!

Der Alte · Jun 19, 2021

Link to a thread in another sub-forum "Christian Scriptures"." It is also about genealogy but may be off topic for this thread.

The Gospel in the book of Genesis?

cfposter · Jun 19, 2021

pdudgeon said:
Keep going!

Wish I had more. I need to dig further. So many mysteries - so little time.

cfposter · Jun 19, 2021

Der Alte said:
Link to a thread in another sub-forum "Christian Scriptures"." It is also about genealogy but may be off topic for this thread.

The Gospel in the book of Genesis?

Hi DA, I did look at your thread. I have read before how the names always meant a message. In fact, there is a guy on the internet who is a Hebrew Linguist that put together a good understanding of the message of the name per the genealogy. His name is Dr. Stephen Pidgeon. He has many videos on youtube. You may be able to find it but he has some very interesting teachings.

anna ~ grace · Jun 20, 2021

cfposter · Jun 20, 2021

anna ~ grace said:

I'm not sure what I'm looking at but I think that is my next door neighbor that is 3rd from top right row. (just kidding). I jest.

Saint Steven · Jun 21, 2021

cfposter said:
Coincidence? I don't think so.

What should we conclude? Prophetic, or a fabrication? What do the facts tell us?

Here's a chart of the family of Jesus. The biblical accounts in the gospels don't agree on Jesus genealogy either. So, what value is the numerology except an attempt to align with the pagan numerology of the day?

cfposter · Jun 21, 2021

Saint Steven said:
What should we conclude? Prophetic, or a fabrication? What do the facts tell us?

Here's a chart of the family of Jesus. The biblical accounts in the gospels don't agree on Jesus genealogy either. So, what value is the numerology except an attempt to align with the pagan numerology of the day?

Well the Genealogy fits perfectly in the latter sense from what I provided. Maybe that was the actual real communication we were to gain from it. So maybe it was prophetic. I haven't tried to go back and map all the genealogies out.

Strong in Him · Jun 21, 2021

cfposter said:
In Matthew Chapter 1 you can read about the Genealogy of Christ. And it ends with the following verse:

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There is actually more to this than what meets the eye. Notice the bold part. Now understand that we are to count the years from each genealogy to figure out when Christ was born. But there is another meaning here that is more Spiritual Discerned.

I have come to see a Genealogy as Moses described. God said the generation that sinned against Him in the wilderness would not inherit the promised land. Therefore, they spent 40 years in the wilderness until that generation passed away.

Now let's do some math:

14 * 40 = 560 years

Sorry; that's the point at which I tune out.

Jesus' genealogy is cool; he chose to be born with ancestors who were cheats, liars, adulterers and so on.
But the Bible is not a Maths text book, nor a book with a hidden message that can only be worked out through sums.

cfposter · Jun 21, 2021

Strong in Him said:
Sorry; that's the point at which I tune out.

Jesus' genealogy is cool; he chose to be born with ancestors who were cheats, liars, adulterers and so on.
But the Bible is not a Maths text book, nor a book with a hidden message that can only be worked out through sums.

I'm not sure you had to tell us that you tuned out. I never saw where you tuned in. However, there is a lot to understand about MATH in the Bible. After all, Daniel FIGURED OUT THE MATH of Jeremiah regarding the captivity of the Jews.

Regarding Math, it is fitting that there are so MANY mysteries we have not yet figured out but are part of the dimensions of the Temple, the distances traveled and so much more. Daniels great mystery of the 70 weeks would have alluded so many if we took the position that the math was important in understanding the events and prophecies of the Bible. If there are no hidden messages in the Bible - then I suppose ALL Prophets were not necessary. Yet iMoses Himself said that the Prophet that came after Him we would listen to which is a reference to Christ.

Jesus told His disciples:

Mat_13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

I think this thread is more for those that do think the math and the mysteries are important.

EclipseEventSigns · May 4, 2024

cfposter said:
In Matthew Chapter 1 you can read about the Genealogy of Christ. And it ends with the following verse:

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There is actually more to this than what meets the eye. Notice the bold part. Now understand that we are to count the years from each genealogy to figure out when Christ was born. But there is another meaning here that is more Spiritual Discerned.

I have come to see a Genealogy as Moses described. God said the generation that sinned against Him in the wilderness would not inherit the promised land. Therefore, they spent 40 years in the wilderness until that generation passed away.

Now let's do some math:

14 * 40 = 560 years

Now there is an interesting reference point here - (From the carrying away into Babylon). We know the Israelites were in Babylon for 70 years.

More math:

560 - 70 = 490 years

Seen that number (490) before?

If you have studied Daniels 70 Weeks prophecy, you will know that it leads from the end of the captivity to to the Crucifixion of Christ.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

WRONG! The Jews were NOT in exile for 70 years. That's a common but inaccurate reading of the Old Testament. No where does it state they were in exile for 70 years. No where.

Also Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC. Cyrus allowed them to return in 538 BC. That is NOT a period of 70 years. It's about 49 years. And yes, 49 is 7 Weeks of 7. Just like what Gabriel told Daniel it would be in the prophecy of the 70 Weeks.

Watch my 7 part video series for all the proofs and sources to check this out for yourself.

cfposter · May 4, 2024

EclipseEventSigns said:
WRONG! The Jews were NOT in exile for 70 years. That's a common but inaccurate reading of the Old Testament. No where does it state they were in exile for 70 years. No where.

Also Jerusalem was destroyed in 586 BC. Cyrus allowed them to return in 538 BC. That is NOT a period of 70 years. It's about 49 years. And yes, 49 is 7 Weeks of 7. Just like what Gabriel told Daniel it would be in the prophecy of the 70 Weeks.

Watch my 7 part video series for all the proofs and sources to check this out for yourself.

1Es 1:55 As for the house of the Lord, they burnt it, and brake down the walls of Jerusalem, and set fire upon her towers:
1Es 1:56 And as for her glorious things, they never ceased till they had consumed and brought them all to nought: and the people that were not slain with the sword he carried unto Babylon:
1Es 1:57 Who became servants to him and his children, till the Persians reigned, to fulfil the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremy:
1Es 1:58 Until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths, the whole time of her desolation shall she rest, until the full term of seventy years.

EclipseEventSigns · May 4, 2024

cfposter said:
1Es 1:55 As for the house of the Lord, they burnt it, and brake down the walls of Jerusalem, and set fire upon her towers:
1Es 1:56 And as for her glorious things, they never ceased till they had consumed and brought them all to nought: and the people that were not slain with the sword he carried unto Babylon:
1Es 1:57 Who became servants to him and his children, till the Persians reigned, to fulfil the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremy:
1Es 1:58 Until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths, the whole time of her desolation shall she rest, until the full term of seventy years.

EXACTLY! No where does it say that they were in exile 70 years. Read it.

Won't be letting you spout inaccuracies everywhere on these threads.

cfposter · May 4, 2024

EclipseEventSigns said:
EXACTLY! No where does it say that they were in exile 70 years. Read it.

Won't be letting you spout inaccuracies everywhere on these threads.

Read it again.

1Es 1:55 As for the house of the Lord, they burnt it, and brake down the walls of Jerusalem, and set fire upon her towers:
1Es 1:56 And as for her glorious things, they never ceased till they had consumed and brought them all to nought: and the people that were not slain with the sword he carried unto Babylon:
1Es 1:57 Who became servants to him and his children, till the Persians reigned, to fulfil the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremy:
1Es 1:58 Until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths, the whole time of her desolation shall she rest, until the full term of seventy years.

All the people that were not slain were taking captive to Babylon as it says in verse 1:56. Then it says UNTIL the Persian reigned and the land had enjoyed her sabbaths of 70 years. So they are captive for 70 years.

There was no Jews back on that land for 70 years - they were captive By both the Babylonians and the Persians for that length of time. Not a year less and not a year more.

EclipseEventSigns · May 4, 2024

cfposter said:
Read it again.

1Es 1:55 As for the house of the Lord, they burnt it, and brake down the walls of Jerusalem, and set fire upon her towers:
1Es 1:56 And as for her glorious things, they never ceased till they had consumed and brought them all to nought: and the people that were not slain with the sword he carried unto Babylon:
1Es 1:57 Who became servants to him and his children, till the Persians reigned, to fulfil the word of the Lord spoken by the mouth of Jeremy:
1Es 1:58 Until the land had enjoyed her sabbaths, the whole time of her desolation shall she rest, until the full term of seventy years.

All the people that were not slain were taking captive to Babylon as it says in verse 1:56. Then it says UNTIL the Persian reigned and the land had enjoyed her sabbaths of 70 years. So they are captive for 70 years.

There was no Jews back on that land for 70 years - they were captive By both the Babylonians and the Persians for that length of time. Not a year less and not a year more.

Read it. Show exactly where it says they were in exile 70 years. Exactly the words. Not your assumptions. Not your opinions. The very words. It says according to the prophecy of Jeremiah. Show in Jeremiah where he said it would be 70 years of exile. Show exactly the words. Exactly. No opinions or assumptions.

You won't be able to.

cfposter · May 4, 2024

EclipseEventSigns said:
Read it. Show exactly where it says they were in exile 70 years. Exactly the words. Not your assumptions. Not your opinions. The very words. It says according to the prophecy of Jeremiah. Show in Jeremiah where he said it would be 70 years of exile. Show exactly the words. Exactly. No opinions or assumptions.

You won't be able to.

It says seventy years right there in the verses I provided. As for a reference from Jeremiah it even says the following:

Jer 25:11 And all the land shall be a desolation; and they shall serve among the Gentiles seventy years.

Jer_36:10 For thus said the Lord; When seventy years shall be on the point of being accomplished at Babylon, I will visit you, and will confirm my words to you, to bring back your people to this place.

Daniel attest to this also:

Dan_9:2 I Daniel understood by books the number of the years which was the word of the Lord to the prophet Jeremias, even seventy years for the accomplishment of the desolation of Jerusalem.

EclipseEventSigns · May 4, 2024

cfposter said:
It says seventy years right there in the verses I provided. As for a reference from Jeremiah it even says the following:

Jer 25:11 And all the land shall be a desolation; and they shall serve among the Gentiles seventy years.

Jer_36:10 For thus said the Lord; When seventy years shall be on the point of being accomplished at Babylon, I will visit you, and will confirm my words to you, to bring back your people to this place.

Daniel attest to this also:

Dan_9:2 I Daniel understood by books the number of the years which was the word of the Lord to the prophet Jeremias, even seventy years for the accomplishment of the desolation of Jerusalem.

I see you are not using an accurate translation of the ORIGINAL Hebrew.
70 years. But not of exile. You did not show exactly where the exile is even mentioned.

Jer 25:11 is about "the nations". Look at the original Hebrew.

Again, no exile for 70 years. You can't show it. It doesn't exist no matter how many times you try to given your opinions.

Diamond7 · May 5, 2024

cfposter said:
Coincidence? I don't think so.

God is very exact and precise. All the more when it comes to His Justice. I believe it was exactly 6,000 years from when Adam was created to when Jesus was born. I think Adam sinned at the age of 33 and that is when Jesus went to Calvary for Adams sin. Adam died at 930 years and that 70 years we are told was given to David. Who lived to be 70. So we end up with 70 sevens or 490 years that we read about in Daniel.

Daniel 9:24 “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.

The butterfly effect is given to show us just how exact and precise all of this is.

Bible Highlighter · May 6, 2024

cfposter said:
In Matthew Chapter 1 you can read about the Genealogy of Christ. And it ends with the following verse:

Mat 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

There is actually more to this than what meets the eye. Notice the bold part. Now understand that we are to count the years from each genealogy to figure out when Christ was born. But there is another meaning here that is more Spiritual Discerned.

I have come to see a Genealogy as Moses described. God said the generation that sinned against Him in the wilderness would not inherit the promised land. Therefore, they spent 40 years in the wilderness until that generation passed away.

Now let's do some math:

14 * 40 = 560 years

Now there is an interesting reference point here - (From the carrying away into Babylon). We know the Israelites were in Babylon for 70 years.

More math:

560 - 70 = 490 years

Seen that number (490) before?

If you have studied Daniels 70 Weeks prophecy, you will know that it leads from the end of the captivity to to the Crucifixion of Christ.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

I would agree with you that 490 is a special number in the Bible, my friend.

Let the reader of God's Word also consider that the name of "Jesus" is mentioned exactly 490 times each (70 x 7) in both the odd and even books of the KJB New Testament (not including anti-mentions or names that are not specifically talking about the Lord Jesus Christ).

What are the odds of this happening?

You have different word counts for the even books of the New Testament and the odd ones.

70 x 7 is not some random number, either.

Our Lord Jesus Christ told us to forgive 70 x 7 times.

For Jesus said,

“I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.” (Matthew 18:22).

We also see the number 490 appear for when you look at the counts for the Father, and the Son in the Bible (KJV).

Is this more coincidence?

I don't believe so.

Note: The search counts are found by using Pure Bible Search Software here:

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