Justice Thomas raised crucial question about legitimacy of special counsel's prosecution of Trump

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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas raised a question Thursday that goes to the heart of Special Counsel Jack Smith's charges against former President Donald Trump.
The high court was considering Trump's argument that he is immune from prosecution for actions he took while president, but another issue is whether Smith and the Office of Special Counsel have the authority to bring charges at all.
"Did you, in this litigation, challenge the appointment of special counsel?" Thomas asked Trump attorney John Sauer on Thursday during a nearly three-hour session at the Supreme Court.

Sauer replied that Trump's attorneys had not raised that concern "directly" in the current Supreme Court case — in which justices are considering Trump's arguments that presidential immunity precludes the prosecution of charges that the former president illegally sought to overturn the 2020 election.
Sauer told Thomas that, "we totally agree with the analysis provided by Attorney General Meese [III] and Attorney General Mukasey."
In a 42-page amicus brief presented to the high court in March, Meese and Mukasey questioned whether "Jack Smith has lawful authority to undertake the 'criminal prosecution'" of Trump. Mukasey and Meese — both former U.S. attorneys general — said Smith and the Office of Special Counsel itself have no authority to prosecute, in part because he was never confirmed by the Senate to any position.

Federal prosecutions, "can be taken only by persons properly appointed as federal officers to properly created federal offices," Meese and Mukasey argued. "But neither Smith nor the position of special counsel under which he purportedly acts meets those criteria. He wields tremendous power, effectively answerable to no one, by design. And that is a serious problem for the rule of law — whatever one may think of former President Trump or the conduct on January 6, 2021, that Smith challenges in the underlying case."
The crux of the problem, according to Meese, is that Smith was never confirmed by the Senate as a U.S. attorney, and no other statute allows the U.S. attorney general to name merely anyone as special counsel. Smith was acting U.S. attorney for a federal district in Tennessee in 2017, but he was never nominated to the position. He resigned from the private sector after then-President Trump nominated a different prosecutor as U.S. attorney for the middle district of Tennessee.
 

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Obviously Thomas prefers "technicalities" instead of truth.

His wife's support of the insurrection should require him to recuse himself.
Justice Thomas prefers the LAW. A preference for the Law is not a technicality.
 
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Justice Thomas prefers the LAW. A preference for the Law is not a technicality.
If there isn’t a legal mechanism to charge a former President, then even if Presidents don’t have “absolute immunity”, there’s no legal way to charge them with crimes while they were President?

I dunno grasshopper.
 
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Justice Thomas prefers the LAW. A preference for the Law is not a technicality.

If he had *any* respect for the law, he would have recused himself for this case.
 
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Interestingly, Thomas, Alison, Gorsich and Kavanaigh seem not to realize that their preferred ruling could give Biden permission to get rid of the most corrupt individual ever to hold the office.

I guess they are able to recognize Biden has the virtue all four of them so strongly lack--integrity.
 
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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas raised a question Thursday that goes to the heart of Special Counsel Jack Smith's charges against former President Donald Trump.
The high court was considering Trump's argument that he is immune from prosecution for actions he took while president, but another issue is whether Smith and the Office of Special Counsel have the authority to bring charges at all.
"Did you, in this litigation, challenge the appointment of special counsel?" Thomas asked Trump attorney John Sauer on Thursday during a nearly three-hour session at the Supreme Court.
This wasn't the question before the Court. It was irrelevant to the matter at hand. Trump did not appeal or sue based on the appointment of Special Counsel.
Sauer replied that Trump's attorneys had not raised that concern "directly" in the current Supreme Court case — in which justices are considering Trump's arguments that presidential immunity precludes the prosecution of charges that the former president illegally sought to overturn the 2020 election.
Sauer told Thomas that, "we totally agree with the analysis provided by Attorney General Meese [III] and Attorney General Mukasey."
In a 42-page amicus brief presented to the high court in March, Meese and Mukasey questioned whether "Jack Smith has lawful authority to undertake the 'criminal prosecution'" of Trump. Mukasey and Meese — both former U.S. attorneys general — said Smith and the Office of Special Counsel itself have no authority to prosecute, in part because he was never confirmed by the Senate to any position.

Federal prosecutions, "can be taken only by persons properly appointed as federal officers to properly created federal offices," Meese and Mukasey argued. "But neither Smith nor the position of special counsel under which he purportedly acts meets those criteria. He wields tremendous power, effectively answerable to no one, by design. And that is a serious problem for the rule of law — whatever one may think of former President Trump or the conduct on January 6, 2021, that Smith challenges in the underlying case."
The crux of the problem, according to Meese, is that Smith was never confirmed by the Senate as a U.S. attorney, and no other statute allows the U.S. attorney general to name merely anyone as special counsel. Smith was acting U.S. attorney for a federal district in Tennessee in 2017, but he was never nominated to the position. He resigned from the private sector after then-President Trump nominated a different prosecutor as U.S. attorney for the middle district of Tennessee.
What nonsense from Meese and Murkasey.
 
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What nonsense from Meese and Murkasey.
Apparently, you believe you understand laws better than two men who were U.S. Attorney Generals. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you believe that about yourself.
 
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If he had *any* respect for the law, he would have recused himself for this case.
Just like the judge in the so-called "hush money" trial recused himself, right??
 
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Just like the judge in the so-called "hush money" trial recused himself, right??
Judge Merchan made a $35 donation. Gunny Thomas was collaborating with those being indicted in Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, etc. for criminally attempting to overturn the election.
She might even be an "unindicted co-conspirator," a perk of being married to a judge on the take.
 
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Apparently, you believe you understand laws better than two men who were U.S. Attorney Generals. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you believe that about yourself.
Waiting to get to the Supreme Court before revealing an argument is a bold move for any lawyer, since the High Court usually only deals with arguments that have already been litigated.
This might give Roberts the opportunity to kick it back down to the district court with a writ of mandamus?
 
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Apparently, you believe you understand laws better than two men who were U.S. Attorney Generals. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that you believe that about yourself.
Considering that they lied about the nature of a special counsel -- yes I do:

"He wields tremendous power, effectively answerable to no one, by design."

This is not true. The special counsel reports to supervision at the top of the DOJ chain like any other top level prosecutor (a US Attorney for example). This was true of Mueller and Weiss and Durham as it is true of Smith.
 
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Considering that they lied about the nature of a special counsel -- yes I do:

"He wields tremendous power, effectively answerable to no one, by design."

This is not true. The special counsel reports to supervision at the top of the DOJ chain like any other top level prosecutor (a US Attorney for example). This was true of Mueller and Weiss and Durham as it is true of Smith.
You are incorrect. I am sure that Meese and Mukaskey understand the rules and laws. I believe them rather than someone whom I have never met before except in an online forum.
 
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Justice Thomas needs to recuse himself from these cases--particularly the federal 1/6 case and the Georgia election interference case.

His wife had extensive interaction with the 1/6 insurrectionists and is likely to be on the federal witness list.

I can see how he wants to muddy the waters because of his wife's probable complicity, and I am not surprised his knee-jerk reaction is to lash out at the federal prosecutor who spent years (!) developing the extensive evidence that will be revealed at trial.

Smith is a professional. Thomas is compromised by the expensive perks he receives from benefactors and his wife's political activities.
 
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If there isn’t a legal mechanism to charge a former President, then even if Presidents don’t have “absolute immunity”, there’s no legal way to charge them with crimes while they were President?

I dunno grasshopper.
This represents a conundrum for the military. For a soldier, an illegal order is an order to do something illegal. But if the president's orders can never be illegal, then nothing the soldier does by those orders is illegal.

Ultimately, it would prove the defendants at Nuremberg actually did have a positive defense.
 
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This represents a conundrum for the military. For a soldier, an illegal order is an order to do something illegal. But if the president's orders can never be illegal, then nothing the soldier does by those orders is illegal.

Ultimately, it would prove the defendants at Nuremberg actually did have a positive defense.
And we’ve come full circle.
 
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