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See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition, based on the elements of the world rather than gospel of Christ. Col 2:8
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Yet Christianity within the Empire aligned itself with the Roman Empire which meant leaving the ideals of the Kingdom behind in trade for a seat at the earthly table of human government and built their own golden calf. Scripture regarding the Kingdom however as far as we know, remained unchanged. Perhaps a slip up on their part.
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It was God who chose what Paul called "The foolishness of preaching" to show us His Salvation plan for men. Since Paul also said the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.", it seems that Paul believed, as did Jesus and the rest of the Disciples, that the "Truth" of God is found in Scriptures, taught by those teachers God's Himself Chose, including His Own Son, the Christ, the Rock of Israel.
So at least according to the God and Christ "of the Bible", the answer would be YES.
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Instruct those in this present age not to trust in golden calves but in the living God, who richly gives us all things.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, to know the things that have been freely given to us by God. 1 Cor 2:12
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Thank you again KIS144 for your response. But once again, no where do I read in these passages from the Old Testament or video you provided the word "Bible" is even mentioned. (Ps 145:18, Isa 16:5, Ps 43:3, Ps 25: 5, Jer 4:2, Isa 65:16, Ps 25:10, Ps 100:5, and Ps 34:8.)
History shows that the canon of "the Bible" wasn't even compiled until the fourth century, buy the Catholic Church. So, this is why I must refute the use of these Old Testament passages you provided as the Bible being the "pillar, the ground of the truth, the upholder, and foundation of the truth."
If you find that I am in error, I welcome your rebuttal showing otherwise.
So again, (with all due respect, I'm guessing, the fourth or fifth time) my question to you is:
Is it your belief "the Bible" is the pillar, the ground of the truth, the upholder, and foundation of the truth? If you were to answer 'yes', could you please show the chapter/verse from the bible where it says this? If you were to answer 'no', could you elaborate on why?
Have a Blessed Day, and a Blessed Holy Week!
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The Bible clearly states the household of God, the Church, is the pillar and ground of the truth. Jesus gave no command to anyone to write anything, except Revelation, which was not accepted nor quoted as Scripture for 350 years.
There is no verse anywhere in the Bible that explicitly states the Bible is the sole rule of faith. "Bible alone" theology is a political invention of one man who was mentally ill and was angry with the pope, and the theory cannot be from God due to the perpetual division it has caused.
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Yes Epostle, I agree 100% !!
However, it seems some of our non-Catholic brethren have a hard time realizing this.
Also, let me say epostle, I do enjoy your posts!
Have a Blessed Palm Sunday, and Holy Week!
Peace be with you!
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Interesting Bible passage KIS144. ( 1 Cor. 2: 12)
If I may, is it your belief Christians, by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Sacrament of Baptism, are no longer subject to the "powers" of Satan that rule the world?
Would it also be your belief, that Christians are reborn by water and the Spirit into the family of God, and the Holy Spirit teaches people baptized by the Spirit a new kind of perception that defies human wisdom?
If you were to agree or disagree, I would be very interested on your Protestant thoughts why, or why not.
Have a Blessed Day/ Palm Sunday/ Holy Week.
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It is indeed the bible. Given this life experience and temptations as Paul states, "is common to man," our individual responses vary. We may benefit from the sharing of others with similar mis/adventures. Scripture indicates that we are to study to show ourselves approved. It also suggests that Holy Ghost will teach you all things and bring all things to your mind.
That being said, it can be beneficial to get some schooling, some wilderness survival tips before we attempt the entire Appalachian trail.
We need not agree with all that we hear from teachers and fellow pilgrims. In my experience on the narrow road it is an individuals singular vision on the narrow gate that keeps us focused.
While we ,may stop and share a meal with fellow travelers, all answer for themselves.
So walk with God and let His Word be a lamp unto our feet.
Phil, 3:13
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything you be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
In Christ
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keepitsimple144
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Is the God of peace crushing Satan under your feet passage not in the Catholic Bible?
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Rom 16:20
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Book, scroll, Bible, now you're splitting hairs.
Here I am, I have come. The book written on a scroll tells about me. Ps 40:7
The scroll of the prophet Isaiah 61:1 was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim the good news..." Luke 4:17-20
In that case you will have an issue with these as well, In mercy and truth, peace is made with the Lord. Prov 16:6
He will provide atonement for His land and His people. Deut 32:43
As for our transgressions, You will provide atonement for them. Ps 65:3
For it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul and I have given it to you. Lev 17:11
Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete; Hebrews 13:20-21
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Thank you study man for your participation in my thread. However, could you please cite the chapter/verse where St. Paul says "The foolishness of preaching" to show us His Salvation plan for men?
Also study man, in the future, may I please request if you quote Holy Scripture, that you to give us the chapter and verse for easy reference to look up.
Since Paul also said the Holy Scriptures are trustworthy "for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works."]/quote]
Ahh yes, the Ol go to for Protestants, 2 Timothy 3:16–17, know it well, the claim of Protestants that Scripture is sufficient as a rule of faith. However, study man, an examination of this verse in context shows that it doesn’t claim that at all; it only claims Scripture is “profitable” (Greek: ophelimos), that is, helpful. (Notice that the passage nowhere even hints that Scripture is “sufficient”) I would suggest reading preceding verses 14-15 and then we could discuss 2Tim.16 further.
It seems? Chapter and or verse where it says this, please.
Thank you study man. By this statement of yours, I can only surmise that you are an adherent of the Protestant belief of sola scriptura. If I am correct, could you please provide us with the chapter/ verse from the bible to back up your claim that "the bible" is the pillar and ground of the truth - i.e., the upholder and foundation of the truth.
I, as a cradle Catholic don't believe that you can.
Balls in your court!!
However, if you do not believe in the Protestant doctrine of "sola scriptura" (the bible alone) my apologies.
Have a Blessed Day/Palm Sunday/and Holy Week
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Answering a question by asking a question KIS144 does not help your argument, it actually gives your argument a disservice. Care to try again?
Also KIs144, I am most interested by what you mean by "Catholic Bible." You are aware that it was the Catholic Church that compiled the Bible in the Fourth century, fifteen hundred years before Protestantism was even in existence, right?? I mean, that's historical facts!
Have a Blessed Palm Sunday and Holy Week!
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Apparently you have been influenced in your beliefs by the spirit of antichrist. To understand why this is so, contemplate carefully the following three passages and note how they are connected: John 4:24; Luke 24:39; 1 John 4:2-3.
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Therefore, since the children have shared of blood and flesh, He Himself also similarly partook of the same that by his death he would destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil. Heb 2:14
That would've given you devoted Catholics plenty of time to work this out. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. Heb 2:15-17
For this purpose the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil. 1 John 3:8
In whom we have redemption through His blood, Col 1:13-15
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None of your replies make any sense to Fidelibus's quotes. Here's a challenge for you. Spot the fake verse:
Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, show him the Bible. And if he refuses to listen even to the Bible, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
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Is it your belief Christians, by the power of the Holy Spirit in the Sacrament of Baptism, are no longer subject to the "powers" of Satan that rule the world?
Have a Blessed Palm Sunday and Holy Week.
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Thank you Palmfever for your participation. Could you please provide the chapter and verse from the Bible where it says "the Bible" is the pillar, the ground of the truth, the upholder, and foundation of the truth.
Have a Blessed Palm Sunday and Holy Week
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And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, Rom 6:13
For this reason He says, “Awake, sleeper, And arise from the dead, And Christ will shine [dawn] upon you and give you light.” Eph 5:14
Seeing it is God, that said, Light shall shine out of darkness, who shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 4:6
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Y'all are hilarious. I've made it plain as day that the truth is the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Now to Him who is able to establish you according to the gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith— to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. Rom 16:25-27
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I agree. The gospel of Jesus Christ predates any written form. The Bible is a fruit of the Church, a church didn't pop out of a book. For centuries, there was no Bible as we know it, so what about all those Christians who had no Bible? What was their "pillar and ground of truth" at the time? The Church.
A lovely verse, but it still doesn't prove the Bible, and not the Church, is the pillar and ground of truth. People, the Church made the Scriptures known to all nations.
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2 Tim 3:15 but if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou ought to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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