Homosexual brother is angry with me and refuses to understand

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I attended more than one group.
I shared that one experience because it was so profound.
On the way to the meeting I commented to husband that
I expected to find women who were either promiscuous
(seeking attention from a father figure, in the only
way they understood) or lesbian (turning from men altogether)
As I said, MOST of the women were lesbians. There were a
few of us who weren't.
My story is valid.
You just don't care for the implications.
I can see why and I can't blame you.

But certainly it's "just a story"
One of many.

I don't know you personally, so I will give you benefit of the doubt

but I will say one thing

Focus on the family is known to distort researches to slander the gay community, one of which is they are more like paedophiles

that is why normally when I come across a Christian who cite Focus on the Family, I don't trust anything they have to say on the gay community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NHdSVknB5Q
 
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umm

I am an openly homosexual Christian, ...............

If you mean you are 'a practicing homosexual Christian'...could you please explain how you can be a real genuine Christian who is going to heaven when the Bible says in a few places that anyone practicing (as a lifestyle) sexual immorality including Homosexuality shall not inherent Heaven unless they repent ?

Just wondering whos wrong here...You or Gods Word to mankind . Thanks.
 
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If you mean you are 'a practicing homosexual Christian'...could you please explain how you can be a real genuine Christian who is going to heaven when the Bible says in a few places that anyone practicing (as a lifestyle) sexual immorality including Homosexuality shall not inherent Heaven unless they repent ?

Just wondering whos wrong here...You or Gods Word to mankind . Thanks.


Dave, of course I don't practice homosexual lifestyle...

I thought I made this clear in both this thread and many other threads I have participate in.

of course God's words is the Truth, and I have never disagreed with any of His words, including the ones on homosexual lifestyle.
 
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TheyCallHimDavid, as for whether or not Traveler is a real Christian or not is between him/her and Christ. One can be a homosexual and Christian. God doesn't see any sin to be different than the other.
The bible instructs us to:
"Love thy neighbour" Mark 12:31
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." John 8:7
I know I am not free from sin - only Christ is - so I cannot cast any stones.
 
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Dave, of course I don't practice homosexual lifestyle...

I thought I made this clear in both this thread and many other threads I have participate in.

of course God's words is the Truth, and I have never disagreed with any of His words, including the ones on homosexual lifestyle.

Ok, then, I assume that you struggle with homosexual urges but do not follow thru with them action-wise ? Would this be accurate ? SOrry, but I haven't read much of your other posts.
 
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TheyCallHimDavid, as for whether or not Traveler is a real Christian or not is between him/her and Christ. One can be a homosexual and Christian. God doesn't see any sin to be different than the other.
The bible instructs us to:
"Love thy neighbour" Mark 12:31
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged." Matthew 7:1
"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." John 8:7
I know I am not free from sin - only Christ is - so I cannot cast any stones.

Assuming the Poster was a practicing Homosexual, I simply was asking how he reconciles the fact that the Bible says no lifestyle Homosexual will enter heaven . I wasn't pronouncing eternal damnation on the Poster .

God DOES see the various gravities of sin commited because his Word says that there is a Book of Deeds (Works done while in the flesh) that will be judged and sentenced in accordance to what those particular sins were . Further, in Gods Word, he specifically calls out certain lifestyle sins in 1 Cor. 6 which exclude a person from getting to heaven if they are not repented of, while other sins can be allegedly committed but they wouldn't disqualify a Christian from Heaven whether repented of or not at time of death .

Loving they neighbor doesn't mean having tolerance to the immorality they may be involved with. In fact, James 5:19-20 says to approach such a person and bring to their attention the error of their sinfilled ways in a loving manner and out of caring . We are not called to be tolerant which is not only apathetic, but unloving.

The Matt. 7:1-4 passage has only to do with hypocritical judging . That is, if I denounced your adultery while I was doing the same thing unbeknowns to you. In fact, Gods word CALLS US to judge but do to so in accordance to Scripture, to do it fairly, to respond lovingly toward the person, etc... Judging for Christians is perhaps THE most misunderstood issue today. In fact, God not only calls us to judge the actions , talk, and behavior of fellow professed Christians, but to disfellowship them if they aren't willing to turn from their lifestyle sins ...both personally AND as an entire church (1 Cor. 5) . So, God is not only a loving God but also a Just God and he expects his Chruches to excerisise justice in certain situations . The reason our modern Christian Churches often resemble the world with sexual immorality taking place within, is because Churches have disregarded Gods command on discipline. See ..... JUDGING OTHERS | SHOULD CHRISTIANS JUDGE? | SO4J.com

Throwing of the stones in that passage was to excersise capital punishment on the individual ; it is irrelevant when it comes to approaching a fellow professed CHristian on a lifestyle sin he/she is caught up in. God wants us to be our Brothers (sisters) Keeper...with moral accountability. Unlike the world.

Hope that helped you better understand. Dave.
 
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I know I'm wading into this with little experience and some pretty radical ( I think ) thoughts.

There are of course millions of ways to sin , and you may include homosexuality as one of those. Jesus is the most loving , most forgiving, he will forgive your brother if he has sinned.

in my opinion judgement and condemnation of sombody elses sins is also a sin. Jesus , being all forgiving and loving , would not judge them so you shouldn't either. It sounds as though it would mean alot to your brother if you were there.

Go for it man , swallow your fear and follow our lords non judging example
 
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I know I'm wading into this with little experience and some pretty radical ( I think ) thoughts.

There are of course millions of ways to sin , and you may include homosexuality as one of those. Jesus is the most loving , most forgiving, he will forgive your brother if he has sinned.

in my opinion judgement and condemnation of sombody elses sins is also a sin. Jesus , being all forgiving and loving , would not judge them so you shouldn't either. It sounds as though it would mean alot to your brother if you were there.

Go for it man , swallow your fear and follow our lords non judging example

11But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater,
or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without?
do not ye judge them that are within?
13But them that are without God judgeth.
Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person


Best advice we can give him is to seek GOD's voice on the matter.
I suggest prayer and fasting if you want an answer.
In fact, might even set your brother free from the bondage
and wedding is off.
"Fasting destroys every yoke"
 
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I think that's a bit harsh. I know where you're coming from. You know why ? I got a load of hate when I first came out as bi , and thought to myself , why are these people hating on me ?. I went on a lot of the anti LGBT websites and really looked into it. Alot of the people were really hard line FMs ( I'm not having a go at anyone ) and I really could see where they were coming from. It didn't matter if I didn't agree with what they said , I knew there feelings

So instead of giving as good as I got in the multiple fights , and shouting matchs i came across , i learnt to not judge. If you have to work in a pair with sombody for a project , and you know they hate you merely because of your sexuality , you don't judge them you help them.


you can disagree with the marriage as much aa you like , but think about the pain you're causing others by not being there.
 
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I love when people throw out the "Jesus said don't judge" line. They haven't a clue what that means or where I'm (or anyone else) coming from.
It's a safe way to dismiss what people don't respect.

Jesus said we are to judge with righteous judgment, not by appearances.

Your brother won't understand your Christian belief and the scriptures that condemn his behavior because he's comfortable in his sin.

The holiness code in scripture speaks to having nothing to do with evildoers.
You can pray for him but since he's always going to hold your faith in contempt he's always going to be that boldly proud sinner that flaunts his lifestyle in your face while holding no respect for your religious beliefs about that.

The love for God's word and will in your life should trump your concern for your homosexual brothers feelings. Walk away and have nothing to do with him. You can pray but other than that cut him out of your life.

Maybe if he sees that your priorities are not of this world but of the next he'll realize you've made a choice just like he has.

Your faith tells you his fate if he is unrepentant. By enabling him in paying him attention and suffering his abuse you're actually allowing him to assault your armor.

Put God first.
Your brother is old enough to make the choice to go to Hell.
 
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What am I supposed to do? I can't be his best man. I can't attend his wedding. He refuses to understand why, and will never accept my apology. My brother and I are close.

You are supposed to be faithful to Jesus Mike, that is clear in scripture. It may sound hard, but Jesus taught; Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me;

Paul taught about this kind of issue you are going through in 1 Cor 5. We can never expect unbelievers to understand, and trust me your brother is upset because your participation would give him the recognition he needs that he is OK with what he is doing. Nobody likes the light to expose their sins and they always react negatively and violently. This means there is still hope that God can bring him around. Pray for him, but don't do anything that would convey you condone his actions.
God Bless.
 
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I don't know when this was posted, so please forgive me, if I'm commenting well after this event, I'm new on here, but since I saw this thread, I thought I could give some helpful advice. First and formost, I would keep praying for your brother and no matter what, do not give up and also don't push your beliefs on him or condemn him because that will push him away further, but whenever you have the chance keep telling him about Jesus and when certain subjects arise, explain to him what your beliefs are and what the bible says. Tell him the truth, but in love. Tldr, I have a situation where my parents aren't around anymore, but my aunt (my dad's sister), my uncle (her husband), and my two cousins (their son and daughter) are my immediate family. They say they're Catholic, but unfortunately they don't seem to know the Lord because they continually practice sin and don't turn from it, such as drunkenness, cussing, using God's name in vein, and going to mediums and playing games like Dungeons and Dragons, which promotes witchcraft. Also, my cousin Sam is a lesbian and is married to Katy her wife. I will admit, a few years ago, the April before Covid hit, Sam and Katy got married and I gave in and went to their wedding and was a reader at their wedding and that was back when I wasn't in a good place with God. Even though I had a good time at the wedding, I regretted it afterward and asked God for forgiveness about like a hundred times. I wish I could go back and make the right choice not to go, however, I can't go back and fix what's in the past. However, if they were to have a wedding renewal, which I hope and pray they don't, I would have to say something to them like, "I love you guys very much and I know I went to and participated in your wedding because you wanted me to, but I really hurt my relationship with God and I can't afford to hurt my relationship with God again by going to your wedding renewal. I know we have different beliefs, but I believe gay marriage to be wrong because the bible says a man should be with a woman and vise versa because that's the way God wants it to be and I can't in good conscience go against that again.". So I would say, keep praying for your brother and evangelizing to him about the Lord, but don't go to his wedding, but maybe you can take him out to dinner or invite him to dinner at your house, him and his partner. It is okay to eat with nonbelievers and Jesus did hang out with tax collectors and sinners, but where we have to draw the line is we can't encourage them in any sin, we need to pray for them and lovingly talk to them about Jesus and talk to them about turning away from their sins because that's what Jesus did when he told the prostitute to go home and sin no more and that's what will help them. If we encourage and support their sins, we're saying sins are okay, but also if we condemn them, shun them, or constantly nag them about quitting doing the sin, we're pushing them further and further away from God, but we must tell them the truth in love. But the reason I say don't go to a gay wedding is because I could see going out to eat with a nonbeliever, however, going to and participating in a gay wedding is saying you approve of their sin and it would be hypocritical and like I said, I wish I hadn't gone to or participated in Sam's and Katy's wedding, but it was a while ago and I can't change it. All I can do (and I do this) is keep praying for them to come to Jesus, realize what they're doing is sinful, find partners of the opposite sexes, get into God's word, find a bible-based church that doesn't encourage any sin, get into God's word, and seek and do God's will and I evangelize to them every chance I get. Even if it hurts your brother and he mocks you and your faith, you still need to stay strong in the Lord and do what the Lord says and tell your brother the truth. So many people get love confused, they think love is supporting everything they do and that's not love. Love is not condemning or shunning them, but it is telling them the truth even when it hurts and it is gently helping them turn away from sins and toward Jesus. To me, supporting gay marriage is like supporting a drug addict or an alcoholic by buying them the drugs or the booz. I know some people have said they can't help that they're gay or they commit a certain sin, but being gay and any other sin is a choice. Sure you can have feelings, but you can choose to not feed on your feelings or act on them and people can choose to marry people of the opposite sexes, rather than marry someone of the same sex. Hope this helps not just you, but everyone on here. God Bless!
 
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First of all, I am grieved for you brother...I truly am. I am sorry your brother is bitter at you. Matthew 10:34-36 comes immediately to my mind, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 'and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.' "

You are feeling the friction between light and darkness, good and evil. A born-again child of God and a son of disobedience and of the devil.

You are very wise and Spirit-lead to stand your ground and not be his best-man in his wedding or even attend the wedding. There is a lot of controversy in the Christian community about Christians attending family and friends homosexual weddings. I totally disagree with Alistair Begg's advice on this, which I did listen to his sermon about.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?"

2 Corinthians 6:16, "Therefore 'Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.' "

Ephesians 5:11-13, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light."

So what now? All you can do is pray for him! Perfect love cast at all fear (1 John 4:18)! Stay in contact with him over the phone...always speak the truth in love, but do not join together in what God calls evil. Romans 12 tells us to abhor that which is evil! We are to hate the things that God hates! Stand your ground in Christ and His Word!

I have a word for you to dwell and meditate on...John 14:27, "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
 
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First of all, I am grieved for you brother...I truly am. I am sorry your brother is bitter at you. Matthew 10:34-36 comes immediately to my mind, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; 'and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.' "

You are feeling the friction between light and darkness, good and evil. A born-again child of God and a son of disobedience and of the devil.

You are very wise and Spirit-lead to stand your ground and not be his best-man in his wedding or even attend the wedding. There is a lot of controversy in the Christian community about Christians attending family and friends homosexual weddings. I totally disagree with Alistair Begg's advice on this, which I did listen to his sermon about.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever?"

2 Corinthians 6:16, "Therefore 'Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.' "

Ephesians 5:11-13, "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret. But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light."

So what now? All you can do is pray for him! Perfect love cast at all fear (1 John 4:18)! Stay in contact with him over the phone...always speak the truth in love, but do not join together in what God calls evil. Romans 12 tells us to abhor that which is evil! We are to hate the things that God hates! Stand your ground in Christ and His Word!

I have a word for you to dwell and meditate on...John 14:27, "Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid."
I agree. Fortunately for me, since I go to a good church, my family aren't as much as an influence on me (I'm talking about the ones I posted about where my cousin is a lesbian). Back then, I was close to them and I think that's why I gave in to going to my cousin's lesbian wedding and plus I depended on my aunt to take me shopping every week, since I'm blind, but now that I've been using Instacart, I don't need her to do that anymore and it's better that they're not much of an influence on me. Once in a while I will go out to dinner with one of them, but most of the time I just talk to them on the phone and evangelize to them whenever I can and I just keep praying for them to know Jesus and get into his word. But anymore, I make it known to them that I'm not doing any of the sinful things they're doing anymore.
 
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