Martin Luther and Calvanism?

[KagomeShuko]

I was in my truck today setting up my CD player :thumbsup: , and I had on one of the local Christian radio stataions - KELB - and somebody was reading from a book.. .I remember chapter 6, but I don't remember the name :doh: . I'm quite sure they were preaching Calvanism (especially since they said something about "hyperCalvanism" and "true Calvanism") and they used a small quote by Martin Luther, though it might've been taken out of context being it was such a small quote. They only said it was from Martin Luther.

Anyway, they said something like Luther wrote that God had already decided who would be forgiven and whose hearts would be hardened against what they did. It was similar to that anyway.

I know they were reading other such quotes too - lots of Calvanism and sounds a lot like decision theology, too.

However, I know this goes against what Lutherans preach. Does anybody know where the quote comes from in Luther's works and if they took it out of context? :scratch:

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[filosofer]

Anyway, they said something like Luther wrote that God had already decided who would be forgiven and whose hearts would be hardened against what they did. It was similar to that anyway.

I know they were reading other such quotes too - lots of Calvanism and sounds a lot like decision theology, too.

However, I know this goes against what Lutherans preach. Does anybody know where the quote comes from in Luther's works and if they took it out of context?

Hi, Bridget. Many in the Calvinist theological movement like to quote Luther to support their position. most often, the quotes come from Bondage of the Will.

Sadly, many do not understand the Lutheran doctrine regarding election and predestination - we are neither Calvinist nor Arminian, many assuming that a person can be only one or the other.

[BBAS 64]

I was in my truck today setting up my CD player :thumbsup: , and I had on one of the local Christian radio stataions - KELB - and somebody was reading from a book.. .I remember chapter 6, but I don't remember the name :doh: . I'm quite sure they were preaching Calvanism (especially since they said something about "hyperCalvanism" and "true Calvanism") and they used a small quote by Martin Luther, though it might've been taken out of context being it was such a small quote. They only said it was from Martin Luther.

Anyway, they said something like Luther wrote that God had already decided who would be forgiven and whose hearts would be hardened against what they did. It was similar to that anyway.

I know they were reading other such quotes too - lots of Calvanism and sounds a lot like decision theology, too.

However, I know this goes against what Lutherans preach. Does anybody know where the quote comes from in Luther's works and if they took it out of context? :scratch:

Stein Auf!
Bridget
Good day, Bridget

Was this the quote?

All things whatever arise from, and depend on, the divine appointment; whereby it was foreordained who should receive the word of life, and who should disbelieve it; who should be delivered from their sins, and who should be hardened in them; and who should be justified and who should be condemned.
- Martin Luther

Peace to u,

Bill

[KagomeShuko]

Good day, Bridget

Was this the quote?

All things whatever arise from, and depend on, the divine appointment; whereby it was foreordained who should receive the word of life, and who should disbelieve it; who should be delivered from their sins, and who should be hardened in them; and who should be justified and who should be condemned.
- Martin Luther

Peace to u,

Bill
Yes, that's the quote. That's all they quoted of it, if even that much.

Stein Auf!
Bridget

[BBAS 64]

Yes, that's the quote. That's all they quoted of it, if even that much.

Stein Auf!
Bridget
Good Day, Bridget

That is in his commentary on Romans, I will see if I can find the verse online I do not own a copy my self.

Peace to u,

Bill

[CSMR]

My impression - correct me if I'm wrong - is that Luther believed in the 5 points of "5 point Calvinism" but that Calvinism is much more than these doctrines, and that Predestination and Limited atonement are not as much at the centre of Luther's theology as they are of Calvinist theology.

[filosofer]

Neither double predestination nor limited atonement are in Luther's theology