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Nick_Loves_Abba
5th April 2002, 12:22 AM
I just had a thought. When scripture tells us that Jesus will be at the right hand of God, does it mean that Jesus will be not physcially at the right hand, but God himself. Isn't it the right hand which a judge hits and uses the hammer thingy. (Haha for lack of a better word, I forgot the real one ok! :))

This scripture confuses me. Becuase the Bible states over and over Jesus's divinity, and that He is indeed God. Is there a different meaning then what many of us interpret it to be?

I'm here for learning.

Dave Ulchers
5th April 2002, 12:34 AM
You know the expression: "right hand man."

I don't think you'll find this explained in so many words in the Scriptures, but the Deposit of Faith (http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/creed8.html#ASCENDED) says in part:
663 Henceforth Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father: "By 'the Father's right hand' we understand the glory and honour of divinity, where he who exists as Son of God before all ages, indeed as God, of one being with the Father, is seated bodily after he became incarnate and his flesh was glorified."

664 Being seated at the Father's right hand signifies the inauguration of the Messiah's kingdom, the fulfilment of the prophet Daniel's vision concerning the Son of man: "To him was given dominion and glory and kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed." After this event the apostles became witnesses of the "kingdom [that] will have no end".

Andrew
5th April 2002, 01:29 AM
Firstly, Jesus is already exalted far above everything and seated at the right hand of God. ie He is not "going to be". He is already there. And guess what, spiritually, you are seated there with him as long as you are his.

And He's not there as a judge or the punisher, wielding some stupid hammer, He's there as our intercessor and advocate, our high priest. He's representing us there.

Your next point has to do with understanding and explaining the trinity. No one can fully comprehend it. So I'd advise you to just leave it at that, and move on. Suffice to know that the Bible talks about God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit and that all three are equal/one. :holy:

2002 Christian
5th April 2002, 06:24 AM
Just a thought... If Jesus is at the right hand of God, Jesus is not THE God that He is at the right hand of.

jrmorganjr
5th April 2002, 09:03 AM
Perhaps in the spiritual realm your analogy breaks down. That's the problem with understanding God in general and the Trinity in specific. You're trying to apply physical concepts to spiritual concepts. They don't always correlate. For instance, can you wrap your mind around the fact that God has always been? Does that mean anything sensical to you for the "space/time" before the universe sprang into being? What does timeless mean?

So I think you're letting the logic of words, with all their limitations, trap you into a theological thought that isn't supported.

God in 3 persons, where persons is just the nearest term our minds can come up with.

Nick_Loves_Abba
5th April 2002, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by 2002 Christian
Just a thought... If Jesus is at the right hand of God, Jesus is not THE God that He is at the right hand of.
I believe I have at least have a semi-explanation to this age old mystery. Let us see...

I'm going to quote from the book When Christ Comes by Max Lucado, and let's see if we can get a discussin stemming off from that.

With apologies to southpaws, the right hand in scripture is the hand of readiness. Joseph was blessed with Jacob's right hand (Gen. 48:18), the Red Sea was divided when when God stretched out his right hand (Exod. 15:12), the right hand of God sustains us (Ps. 18:35, and Jesus is at the right hand of God interceeding (Rom. 8:34). The right hand is a picture of action. And what does John see in the right hand of Christ in the book of Revelation? The angels of the churches.

ZiSunka
5th April 2002, 03:14 PM
If Jesus is at the right hand of God, Jesus is not THE God that He is at the right hand of.

Think figural, not physical.

In olden times, the person the king cherished above all others, the heir to the throne, had a special chair on the right side of the throne, so that people could honor the heir at the same time that they honored the king. They would bow to the king, then to the heir, then to the king again. It was about worship and honor and respect.

So, what is being said here is not that Jesus and God are two separate people, but that we are to honor Christ in the same way and at the same time we honor the Father.

Nick_Loves_Abba
5th April 2002, 03:16 PM
^^Agree^^