Tea

[JM]

Do you like tea? What kinds do you like? I recently had a SDA minister say tea was against the faith (:sorry: ) because of the caffine...(then he admitted he eats candy bars!)...

Suggested reading: The Classic of Tea by Yu Lu.

God bless.

[@@Paul@@]

What the heck is wrong with caffine?

Tea is OK i guess.. especially Earl Grey. :doh:

:)

[ZiSunka]

Tea doesn't have ANY caffeine, it has theine. No kidding, theine is different from caffeine, and theine doesn't have the same effect on the body as caffeine because your body can't metabolize it, it just passes through your system. The lift that some people feel from tea is purely psychological, unless they are drinking something like Morning Thunder by Celestial Seasonings, which is a fortified tea with caffeine added.

So, drink tea with a clean conscience, it has no "drugs" at all in it! :)

[NicodemusPrime]

I love tea and coffee. I really dont dig on the funny teas though, I prefer plain black teas. I recommend Luzianne tea and Community coffee. Of course I am from Louisiana so I am biased towrds our local products.

[2Timothy2]

Earl Grey, and sometimes some Green tea. Never thought I'd drink Green tea, go figure.

Oh, and sweet iced tea. Yum

Sounds like that SDA minister is saying "Do as I say, not as I do"

[Sword-In-Hand]

I drink all kinds of tea and honestly love it. I wonder if anyone has ever tried Manchurian Mushroom tea? It is a tea that is made by letting a large Manchurian mushroom fermate in brown sugar tea. It really tastes horrid and you can only drink 4ozs a day, but it cleans the bloodstream and has been known to cure cancer, diabetes and other ailments.

[Kristi1]

I do Not see anything wrong with drinking Tea at all. In fact I drink decaffined tea only. My body cannot handle caffine at all.

ummm how about a spot of Tea (_)D... ;)


Blessings, \o/ :clap:

KristiAnn
MsGuidedAngel

[Busybee]

I drink sweet iced Lipton tea and I also drink hazelnut coffee because I looove the taste and it gets me going if I've had a rough night with the baby, so that preacher would have a hay day with me eeek http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_13_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) Though I disagree with his belief on tea.

[FranklinNoble]

There's not much better than a good cup of Earl Grey...

[CFoster]

Green tea for me please!

[mesue]

I love sipping tea! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_1_110v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

and dunking cookies in it too!! :yum:

[JM]

I have a couple cups of coffee first thing in the morning and then green tea in the evening.

[ZiSunka]

Black and green teas are actually very good for you. The anti-oxidants prevent cancers and the blood-thinning properties prevent heart attacks.

[TwinCrier]

I love Chai tea, it's the next best thing to cappichino. Earl Grey and Darjeeling are too bitter for me. Love my iced tea too, as long as it's not too sweet. I don't get these people dumping so much sugar into a glass of tea that it looks like a snowglobe.

[Gold Dragon]

I usually only drink tea when I eat out at chinese restaurants and so I only know the chinese names for them with the exception of Jasmine and Chrysanthemum.

[FreeinChrist]

Earl Grey is good, but I recently tried Vanilla Caramel tea (made by Bigelow teas) and French Vanilla tea. YUM!!! And I accidently added diet vanilla coke to a glass of iced vanilla caramel tea - and it tasted good! :eek:

I like Constant Comment too!

[FreeinChrist]

I love sipping tea! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_1_110v.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

and dunking cookies in it too!! :yum:
Cookies are good!!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_11_9.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


Cake too! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_4_15.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

[JM]

Tea doesn't have ANY caffeine, it has theine. No kidding, theine is different from caffeine, and theine doesn't have the same effect on the body as caffeine because your body can't metabolize it, it just passes through your system. The lift that some people feel from tea is purely psychological, unless they are drinking something like Morning Thunder by Celestial Seasonings, which is a fortified tea with caffeine added.

So, drink tea with a clean conscience, it has no "drugs" at all in it! :)
Are you sure? I have three different brands of tea at home and they all have a caffine count on the side of the box. Could you explain a little more? I know herbal tea (most of them) don't have caffine, but regular tea has Earl Grey has 40mg of caffine in each cup...green tea has about 30mg.

lambslove, can you give me a lesson in what theine is? :groupray:

[TomUK]

Mmmmmm, tea. Going to exploit the cliche, but tea is quite simply the best drink ever!

[NicodemusPrime]

Mmmmmm, tea. Going to exploit the cliche, but tea is quite simply the best drink ever!

:D Yeah, I wouldn't expect someone from England to have any bad feelings towards tea.

[yugin]

drink only black tea, maybe once a day cup of instant coffee. And yeah, not forgetting nice cookies or cake:) more about caffeine content
Can't post links yet, so here it is caffeine content
Coffee
drip, regular 106-164 mg/5 oz
instant 93-134 mg
loose leaf tea
black 25-110 mg
green 8-36 mg
tea (black)
brewed 20-80 mg
1 min brew 21-33 mg/5 oz
5 min. brew 39-50 mg
iced tea 67-76 mg/12 oz.

[ZiSunka]

Are you sure? I have three different brands of tea at home and they all have a caffine count on the side of the box. Could you explain a little more? I know herbal tea (most of them) don't have caffine, but regular tea has Earl Grey has 40mg of caffine in each cup...green tea has about 30mg.

lambslove, can you give me a lesson in what theine is? :groupray:
Okay, here is the chemistry lesson in which we learned about theine in college (I was a chemistry minor). You have two hands, a left and a right. You have two gloves for your hands, also a left and a right. But suppose you only had two right hand gloves. That would work fine for your right hand, but your left hand would be cold, because you couldn't put to into the glove.

Caffeine and theine are like the hands and your body is like the gloves. Caffeine is right-handed and theine is left-handed, they are the same chemical, just mirror opposites in structure, just like your hands. Caffeine "fits" into the cells of you body because all your body's cells are like right-handed gloves, only right-handed chemicals fit into them. So there's theine, floating around your body with nowhere to go, because they don't fit any of the cells.

So, because they are the same chemical, they both show up the same in chemical testing, because the tests aren't handed and don't separate out the right-handed chemicals from the left-handed chemicals, they just see all the chemicals the same. So your Earl Grey tea shows as having 40 mg of caffeine, but it's mostly all theine, so even though it's there, it doesn't have any effect on your body.:yawn:

Questions?

[Gold Dragon]

Okay, here is the chemistry lesson in which we learned about theine in college (I was a chemistry minor). You have two hands, a left and a right. You have two gloves for your hands, also a left and a right. But suppose you only had two right hand gloves. That would work fine for your right hand, but your left hand would be cold, because you couldn't put to into the glove.

Caffeine and theine are like the hands and your body is like the gloves. Caffeine is right-handed and theine is left-handed, they are the same chemical, just mirror opposites in structure, just like your hands. Caffeine "fits" into the cells of you body because all your body's cells are like right-handed gloves, only right-handed chemicals fit into them. So there's theine, floating around your body with nowhere to go, because they don't fit any of the cells.

So, because they are the same chemical, they both show up the same in chemical testing, because the tests aren't handed and don't separate out the right-handed chemicals from the left-handed chemicals, they just see all the chemicals the same. So your Earl Grey tea shows as having 40 mg of caffeine, but it's mostly all theine, so even though it's there, it doesn't have any effect on your body.:yawn:

Questions?Sorry, but this is not true.

The left-hand, right-hand chemical phenomen you are referring to are chemicals called enantiomers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiomer), a subclass of stereoisomers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoisomer).

However, caffeine and theine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theine) are not enantiomers but in fact are the same molecule both in atomic makeup and stereochemistry (3 dimensional structure). In fact it is impossible to have a stereoisomer of caffeine because its molecular structure is missing something known as a stereocenter to reflect a mirror image from. Another chemical erroneously called a stereoisomer of caffeine is mateine from Yerba Mate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Mate)tea.


Article (http://www.erowid.org/plants/yerba_mate/yerba_mate_chemistry1.shtml)

One of the errors in the literature upon which the "mateine" claims are based is the claim that it is a stereoisomer of caffeine. This stands out because, as any organic chemist can easily tell you, there is no stereoisomer (http://www.erowid.org/glossary.shtml#stereoisomer) of caffeine. The caffeine molecule lacks a stereocenter and thus there are no rotational isomers at all. This error, repeated widely, shows the people writing the texts know little about chemistry and the rest of their information about this theoretical chemical must be considered suspect.

[Gold Dragon]

I think your college instructor may have been confused between theine (which is caffeine in tea) with something known as theanine.

Theanine (http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/dispatch/2003-07-04/cols_health.html)is an amino acid very common in tea that does have both left and right stereoisomers. Theanine is a relative of glutamic acids (MSG is one glutamic acid) which usually stimulates the brain. However, Theanine has the opposite effect of of glutamic acids and actually relaxes.

[bleechers]

Regarding the OP: More NT "laws" that God never gave.

When will we ever learn?

[@@Paul@@]

Regarding the OP: More NT "laws" that God never gave.

When will we ever learn?
When we know "as we are known"?? :)

[bleechers]

When we know "as we are known"?? :)

True. But I was hoping for a "when we start walking in the Spirit and stop trying to please God in the flesh."

Alas, there are just too many people who want to burden believers with shackles that neither they nor their fathers could bear...

:sigh:

[@@Paul@@]

Right, I was being realistic...

;)

As the "waterboy's" mom said: "Caffein is of the DEVIL bobby!! :P

[Echoes Peak]

I love tea. I drink it all the time:) I recently started drinking unsweetened hot tea. I would like to say it was for some amazingly, cool trendy reasons, but yeah, me and my fellow roommates didn't feel like splurging on sugar. (Read-poor college students).

[JM]

Which brands do you drink?

[moeowo]

I only like Sweet Iced Tea..Tetley is my favorite!! You could never tell I'm from Texas by the way I drink my tea :P

[Carrye]

I like it black. Coffee, tea, chocolate. It needs to have that acidic taste (to combat all of my natural sweetness! :)).

And nice Chem lesson, GoldDragon. I haven't been able to dork it up like that since I took chem. ;)

[Gold Dragon]

And nice Chem lesson, GoldDragon. I haven't been able to dork it up like that since I took chem. ;)
no prob. ;)

:nerd: :help:

[Echoes Peak]

And nice Chem lesson, GoldDragon. I haven't been able to dork it up like that since I took chem. ;)
Yeah, I know right. I'm not gonna lie. I was lost. But then again I have liberal arts major tattooed all over me. :D

[Grace_of_God]

I love tea! I don't see anything wrong with it. It relaxes me and I really like it just before bed. I prefer just the plain Red Rose/orange pekoe stuff.

[Carrye]

:nerd: :help:
I have to say that the chem major makes you more nerdy than me and my biology. Though adding some theology does help my cause ... but it still seems less than your nerdiness. Hey, at least you weren't a physics major, then there'd be no hope for you! :)

[ZiSunka]

Sorry, but this is not true.

The left-hand, right-hand chemical phenomen you are referring to are chemicals called enantiomers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiomer), a subclass of stereoisomers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereoisomer).

However, caffeine and theine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theine) are not enantiomers but in fact are the same molecule both in atomic makeup and stereochemistry (3 dimensional structure). In fact it is impossible to have a stereoisomer of caffeine because its molecular structure is missing something known as a stereocenter to reflect a mirror image from. Another chemical erroneously called a stereoisomer of caffeine is mateine from Yerba Mate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yerba_Mate)tea.
Hmm, let's see, do I believe the professors I had in two years of organic chemisty and biochemistry, or believe something you found on the internet.... Don't have to think too hard about that one.

It is not necessary to have a stereocenter to have stereochemicals. In fact, any chemicals which are mirror opposites of each other have "handedness." Think about it. Your hands don't have a stereocenter, yet they have handedness. Caffience and theine are two of those non-symmetrical, handed chemicals. And strangely, studies show that almost exactly the same amount of theine is expelled in the urine as is consumed. Not so caffeine. If your above quote was true, that would not happen.

[Gold Dragon]

It is not necessary to have a stereocenter to have stereochemicals. In fact, any chemicals which are mirror opposites of each other have "handedness." Think about it. Your hands don't have a stereocenter, yet they have handedness.
You are right lambslove, enantiomers can exist without a chiral/stereocenter. Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiral)

Caffience and theine are two of those non-symmetrical, handed chemicals. And strangely, studies show that almost exactly the same amount of theine is expelled in the urine as is consumed. Not so caffeine. If your above quote was true, that would not happen.
I'm still trying to find literature to suggest that theine and caffiene are infact enantiomers. Could you recommend some?

[lucypevensie]

MMmmm. I had to go set up my pot for some hot chai when I started reading this thread. Put some honey and milk in and it's practically like Starbucks! Lots cheaper though.

[@@Paul@@]

How can a little word such as tea be so confusing?? :confused:

enantiomers, chiral and stereocenters; oh my!!

;)

[Diane_Windsor]

bumping for my own reasons




:D ^_^

[newbeliever02072005]

I drink decaf black teas...occasionally I'll drink some raspberry tea. :)

[Diane_Windsor]

I love tea-it is a wonderful alternative to alcohol. My favourite brands are:

The Republic of Tea (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=republic+of+tea/v=2/SID=e/l=WS1/R=1/SS=20118364/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/;_ylt=AmVDsrjpEBdnfYtD.Uy8HyJXNyoA/SIG=11hh4nkv5/EXP=1119470225/*-http%3A//www.republicoftea.com/)

British Breakfast (http://www.republicoftea.com/templates/detail.asp?navID=273)
Earl Greyer (http://www.republicoftea.com/templates/detail.asp?navID=270)
Republic Darjeeling (http://www.republicoftea.com/templates/detail.asp?navID=38)

Twinings (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=twinings+tea/v=2/SID=e/l=WS1/R=1/SS=95617810/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/;_ylt=Ai80iOMU_tXt.iXm8nSjxkRXNyoA/SIG=11c4lq99c/EXP=1119470360/*-http%3A//www.twinings.com/)

Earl Grey
English Breakfast (http://www.twinings.com/en_int/experience_tea/occasion.asp)
Darjeeling (http://www.twinings.com/en_int/experience_tea/occasion.asp?oc_id=1)
Prince of Wales (http://www.twinings.com/en_int/experience_tea/occasion.asp?oc_id=1)
Lady Grey (http://www.twinings.com/en_int/experience_tea/occasion.asp?oc_id=2)
Traditional Afternoon (http://www.twinings.com/en_int/experience_tea/occasion.asp?oc_id=2)

Bigelow Tea (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=bigelow+tea/v=2/SID=e/l=WS1/R=1/SS=1014448/MI=internal/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=0/;_ylt=AlN5jtRGSNXTLko8yerxaS9XNyoA/SIG=11eenossh/EXP=1119470708/*-http%3A//www.bigelowtea.com/)

English Teatime
Plantation Mint

As a Southerner I prefer my tea served cold over ice, but I will ocassionaly drink it warm.

Diane
:)

[Diane_Windsor]

Tea doesn't have ANY caffeine, it has theine. No kidding, theine is different from caffeine, and theine doesn't have the same effect on the body as caffeine because your body can't metabolize it, it just passes through your system. The lift that some people feel from tea is purely psychological, unless they are drinking something like Morning Thunder by Celestial Seasonings, which is a fortified tea with caffeine added.

So, drink tea with a clean conscience, it has no "drugs" at all in it! :)

Then why do Mormons avoid tea??

Diane

[Flynmonkie]

There is NOTHING better than a glass of Southern Sweet Iced Tea! :thumbsup: If haven't had it your missing out! ;) I am a coffee and tea snob! It HAS to be brewed! Drove my hubby crazy for a while now I have him hooked! (not the coffee yet though he had never had any in his life and does not plan to start!) Oh, and yes it does come decaffeinated, you just brew it longer. I cannot have a lot of caffeine either.

[FranklinNoble]

There is NOTHING better than a glass of Southern Sweet Iced Tea! :thumbsup: If haven't had it your missing out! ;)

Agreed 100%

[R.J.S]

Earl Grey all the way!! :)

[Maeyken]

I gotta say, my body definitely does not agree with the theory that tea doesn't have caffeine in. Or else my body reacts the same way to theine or whatever as it does to caffeine. Cuz I tell ya... racing heart, can't sit still, definitely can't fall asleep, heart palpitations... yeah, tea definitely affects me! And it's not a psychological reaction either.

I do love herbal teas though! Chamomile is one of my favourites. I also like almost all fruit-flavoured teas. Oh, and fresh peppermint is the best!! I recently learned of chrysanthemum tea... yummy yummy!

[SonOfThunder]

Hi there :wave:

Thinking back to the first post where another feels that taking in the body anything that might be considered a stimulant..Is it Biblical?

We are a temple of The Holy Spirit, we also read that we are to be conformed by the renewing of our mind. We have the indwelling Holy Spirit within us as believers.

Is it important what we put into our bodies?
where do we draw the line with any additives?
how would we know what is being added to our foods? (I would need a degree for that)
How do we know what is given to the battery hen in order that it should be on our tables nice and tender?
Is being obese wrong? Is that a form of self abuse?
Is drinking alcohol wrong?
Is drinking coffee and indeed tea wrong?
Is staying up too long and not getting enough rest wrong?

We do know that what proceeds from us is important.
What about what we show others? Such as obesity, drunken behaviour, partying too hard, smoking. Someone here said Tea caused this affect on her......racing heart, can't sit still, definitely can't fall asleep, heart palpitations...

Do these get in the way of being able to be ready to share about our Great God?

Food (pardon the pun, I mean Tea) for thought ...


James

[Scotty_Aussie87]

As an Australian i've grown up with tea being more acceptable to drink than coffee, after mowing my grandpa's lawn i'd sit down and have a cuppa tea with my granpda from a fairly early age, about 9 or something. However the amount of sugar added kinda overpowered the taste of the tea! I don't think that tea is really something we shouldn't drink, in fact i'm sure every church service i've been to has ended with an invitation to share conversation over a cuppa tea.