View Full Version : What do you think of cloning?
Droobie
14th February 2004, 08:50 AM
To clone or not to clone? What are your thoughts?
obediah001
14th February 2004, 08:51 AM
I do not believe it is ethical practice as you kill embryo's in the process & knowing human nature it is a direction we should not go!
Konnie
14th February 2004, 12:28 PM
Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments.
Palatka44
14th February 2004, 01:08 PM
Sorry Konnie, I can't agree with you on this one.
Kathy
14th February 2004, 08:37 PM
Any type of cloning is WRONG!
southron
14th February 2004, 08:57 PM
I feel that human cloning is wrong. We shouldn't play God in trying to make humans and clone them.
Southron
Staind
14th February 2004, 10:17 PM
I like the idea of cloning, saving people's lives is always worth it.
~PICKLE~
14th February 2004, 11:07 PM
I think they're screwing up by messin' with mother nature!!!
PolymerTim
15th February 2004, 12:13 AM
I definitely disagree with cloning for the purpose of reproduction, but I think we cannot ignore the medical benefits of things like stem cell research. I personally find it difficult where to draw the line on when a group of cells becomes a person, but I feel comfortable with using stem cells that have only divided a few times. I realize though, that not every one will agree and that this is a line that each person must draw on their own. The difficulty is deciding what we as a nation and a world should support as ethical. I don't know if there will ever be a good answer to that one.
As for messing around too much with life, we have been doing that for too long already. Our presence on Earth has rgeatly affected many different forms of life. Genetic engineering will just do it faster and differently.
MYMOM
15th February 2004, 02:47 PM
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO CLONE ANYONE
ab1385
15th February 2004, 07:50 PM
I suppose how much you are copying "a person" depends on how much you believe that a person is just their genes. Technically, you'd be making more of a twin than an identical copy of someone. Are twins the same person? I think not.
As to stem cell research, thats harder. When is an embryo an individual life? Is it when it might be sustainable were it removed from the mother? Is it an individual at birth or at conception? Im sure those that would say that one can set a timeframe on these things would change their minds, were they to see a foetus before that time, they look scarily baby-esque very early on.
The problem comes when one realises quite how useful stem cell research could be. Diabetes, associated strongly with obesity, and therefore something of an epidemic worldwide, is potentially curable through stem cell research.
I believe that if something has the realistic potential to become a person, ie is an embedded fertilised embryo, then it should have the same right to life as a newborn baby, and indeed a fully grown adult. However, if the foetus is aborted spontaneously, then theoretically I see no problem with using it, should the parents be OK with it.
Thats my opinion anyway :)
Snowy
15th February 2004, 08:22 PM
It is evil! :mad::mad::mad:
ab1385
15th February 2004, 10:01 PM
This is a rather common christian comment is it not? A non-backed up comment that something is "evil".... Why is it evil? I personally dont agree with cloning, and can think of no healthy reason for it, yet it still bugs me when people make unfounded statements about things being "evil". After all, at the heart of christianity is that we are more than just our genes, surely, so why is copying them so evil?
NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit
18th February 2004, 08:39 PM
I believe that cloning is acceptable. Souls can not be cloned so it is essencially the same as twins being born. Am I wrong?
Blessed-one
19th February 2004, 09:23 AM
um... i guess stem cell research is all right, helps to save people.
but to clone a complete human.. that's another issue.
Jesusfrk4life77
19th February 2004, 01:06 PM
ive never really gotten into cloning...like info wise so i dont really know but i dont really think itz right...i dont know y i juts dont! besides...who would wanna make another one of me anywayz~! jkjk!
Alexis M
ilovethelord
21st February 2004, 08:59 PM
Any type of cloning is WRONG!
AMEN AMEN AND ANOTHER AMEN..
who are we to play god and bring something in that he did not create..
armed2010
22nd February 2004, 12:22 AM
AMEN AMEN AND ANOTHER AMEN..
who are we to play god and bring something in that he did not create..
By that logic who are we to create new vaccines and such? Are we not playing god by tampering with our own immune systems?
Palatka44
22nd February 2004, 06:13 PM
um... i guess stem cell research is all right, helps to save people.
but to clone a complete human.. that's another issue. You don't get stem cells without first concieving a viable complete human embryo and then killing the child to extract it's stem cells. This is just too bazzar to even think about. What kind of monsters have we become?
Palatka44
22nd February 2004, 06:14 PM
By that logic who are we to create new vaccines and such? Are we not playing god by tampering with our own immune systems?
NO!
Heaven_Bound
22nd February 2004, 07:35 PM
Very Wrong.
tinkerbell
22nd February 2004, 07:52 PM
I don't think cloning is a very good idea
armed2010
23rd February 2004, 01:55 AM
NO!
YES! I have responded to your one word answer with another one word answer. Care to extrapolate on your reasons?
GodBoy809
23rd February 2004, 06:03 PM
i'm a firm believer that cloning is wrong.
Palatka44
23rd February 2004, 07:24 PM
YES! I have responded to your one word answer with another one word answer. Care to extrapolate on your reasons? Well the immune system is not being tampered with when we take an antibiotic, vitamin or steroid for medical purposes, we are only reinforcing it.
However when we kill a human at the first stages of growth then take the stem cell we are not playing God either. We are being evil and monstrous. :(
Angeldove97
23rd February 2004, 08:40 PM
Since I'm into science, I've been trying to keep tabs on this cloning subject. In no way do I believe cloning is right, except for medical purposes and the studies that scientists have been doing for awhile now using animals shows great results. All I kno is that if one of my loved ones would be able to walk again by this treatment, I would never deny them. Oh as for the experiment, one of them was scienctists broke the backs of mice and they got stem cell treatment and their backs heals and they were able to walk again. so isn't it worth a shot???
Oblivious
23rd February 2004, 08:45 PM
I think it's wrong. It just seems like we're messing with stuff we shouldn't be, if that makes any sense.
Palatka44
23rd February 2004, 10:36 PM
Since I'm into science, I've been trying to keep tabs on this cloning subject. In no way do I believe cloning is right, except for medical purposes and the studies that scientists have been doing for awhile now using animals shows great results. All I kno is that if one of my loved ones would be able to walk again by this treatment, I would never deny them. Oh as for the experiment, one of them was scienctists broke the backs of mice and they got stem cell treatment and their backs heals and they were able to walk again. so isn't it worth a shot???
No it isn't worth a shot.
To get stem cells from an embryo be it cloned or from that of another you will have to KILL to get it. To kill is to murder.
If I were to have a clone made of myself my clone would be the same as my identical twin. Now if I had an identical twin and I was the first born, would I kill him for a convience even if that convience would offer me a cure for a crippling illness? No, because he would have a say about the outcome. He would surely protest.
People are so willing to use what would be their indentical twin for their convience and think nothing of it because the twin (clone) will not have a voice as he will be in his first stages of growth.
For God's sake people think of what you are proposing. The thought of it is making my skin crawl. It is very hard for me to understand just how much of a monster we have become.:sigh:
armed2010
23rd February 2004, 10:56 PM
Well the immune system is not being tampered with when we take an antibiotic, vitamin or steroid for medical purposes, we are only reinforcing it.
However when we kill a human at the first stages of growth then take the stem cell we are not playing God either. We are being evil and monstrous. :(We are tampering with our own bodies, and not letting what would naturaly happen, happen. We are modifying the outcomes of nature. That is playing "god". As for the stem cells, we arent killing a fetus, we are killing a bunch of tiny cells.
but'n'ben
24th February 2004, 07:52 PM
I'd have to say it's very wrong. No one should be trying to rival God. It's bad enough with animals but the fact that they are cloning or trying to clone babies/humans is disgusting. There's only so far science should be allowed to go. But then, they'll always be power hungry individuals who seek fame through disgusing measures. Just my opinion.
Palatka44
24th February 2004, 09:03 PM
We are tampering with our own bodies, and not letting what would naturaly happen, happen. We are modifying the outcomes of nature. That is playing "god". As for the stem cells, we arent killing a fetus, we are killing a bunch of tiny cells. The stem cells are taken from a viable embryo. You, me and everyone else on this rock we call earth, where from the onset of conception, began our growing into what we are today. If, during your first stage (embriotic) of growth you were removed from your mothers womb and the stem cells extracted you will have been killed. You would not be here today.
we are killing a bunch of tiny cells. Well you and I are made up of a bunch of tiny cells. I can protest my killing, However a viable embryo can't and that is the only difference between us and that embryo for the embryo can't call out for help.
People why can't you see the monster that you have become? :(
Wolflily
27th February 2004, 04:13 AM
It's bad news, no matter how you slice it. Scientific discovery to "benefit" humanity often has a way of turning around and biting us on the behinds at some point down the line. The sin nature will always taint any pure motives someone originally may have had.
KateBeckinsaleAdmirer
28th February 2004, 02:14 AM
Human cloning is definitely wrong.
armed2010
28th February 2004, 07:19 AM
The stem cells are taken from a viable embryo. You, me and everyone else on this rock we call earth, where from the onset of conception, began our growing into what we are today. If, during your first stage (embriotic) of growth you were removed from your mothers womb and the stem cells extracted you will have been killed. You would not be here today.
Well you and I are made up of a bunch of tiny cells. I can protest my killing, However a viable embryo can't and that is the only difference between us and that embryo for the embryo can't call out for help.
People why can't you see the monster that you have become? :(
I can take your argument 1 step further. You have tons of sperm, yet you dont use it all the time to make children. You are essentially denying hundreds of humans from comming into existence. Every egg a woman doesnt attempt to fertalize is a human life gone to waste. Millions of possible humans are denied their chance at life. How can you live with this, if you cant live with tiny cells being destroyed for medical benefit?
Palatka44
28th February 2004, 09:00 AM
I can take your argument 1 step further. You have tons of sperm, yet you dont use it all the time to make children. You are essentially denying hundreds of humans from comming into existence. Every egg a woman doesnt attempt to fertalize is a human life gone to waste. Millions of possible humans are denied their chance at life. How can you live with this, if you cant live with tiny cells being destroyed for medical benefit?
Armed2010
In all due respect this is just plain silly. Please look up the word viable as in viable human embryo. As for my sperm it carries my genetic code as does every other cell in my body does. Why even my hair does and at this point of my life I am loosing alot of that lately and the truth be known I am having trouble living with this. :D Just like my hair the sperm is not a viable seperate human life nor is it a seperate individual.
Once the genetic code is joined with that of another seperate genetic code then a viable individual starts his/her growth.
To clone someone and then extract stem cells is no different than taking an identical twin and killing it to take its liver, heart, lung, kidney, eye, arm or any other part. Monsterous just pure monsterous!
Think on this, if you had an identical twin he would look like you. He would have the same hair and eye color and all other features are much the same as yours except the finger prints. God has done this to tell us that though these two are from the very same sperm and egg with the exact genetic make up they are complete seperate individuals with different personalities.
Your twin might be left handed while you are right handed. You might prefer the color yellow while he likes red. As you grow older you might like brunets and he blonds. HE WILL HAVE A SEPERATE PERSONALITY AS WELL AS A CLONE WOULD IF ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO GROW INTO ADULTHOOD.
Ahem, sorry I must have gotten carried away.:blush:
AtlantaFest04
28th February 2004, 03:33 PM
I feel that human cloning is wrong. We shouldn't play God in trying to make humans and clone them.
Southron
AMEN!
armed2010
29th February 2004, 04:07 AM
Armed2010
In all due respect this is just plain silly.
How so? Sperm is essential in the creation of a human, so your just wasting it and allowing thousands of lives to not come into existence
Please look up the word viable as in viable human embryo. As for my sperm it carries my genetic code as does every other cell in my body does. Why even my hair does and at this point of my life I am loosing alot of that lately and the truth be known I am having trouble living with this. :D Just like my hair the sperm is not a viable seperate human life nor is it a seperate individual.
However your sperm has the ability to create a seperate invidual by fertilizing a females egg. Its essentialy a building block of a human being
Once the genetic code is joined with that of another seperate genetic code then a viable individual starts his/her growth.
Yes, essentially your sperm is a building block of a viable human embryo. Once again your not letting your sperm do its job by seeking out a females egg and making an embryo
To clone someone and then extract stem cells is no different than taking an identical twin and killing it to take its liver, heart, lung, kidney, eye, arm or any other part. Monsterous just pure monsterous!
The hundreds of human lives that you allow to go to waste every day is absolutely horrific
Think on this, if you had an identical twin he would look like you. He would have the same hair and eye color and all other features are much the same as yours except the finger prints. God has done this to tell us that though these two are from the very same sperm and egg with the exact genetic make up they are complete seperate individuals with different personalities.
Same arguments as above basically, sperm is a building block of a human that can create an embryo yada yada yada
Your twin might be left handed while you are right handed. You might prefer the color yellow while he likes red. As you grow older you might like brunets and he blonds. HE WILL HAVE A SEPERATE PERSONALITY AS WELL AS A CLONE WOULD IF ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO GROW INTO ADULTHOOD.
Ahem, sorry I must have gotten carried away.:blush:
Sperm goes into an egg etc etc creates a human
Palatka44
29th February 2004, 02:56 PM
AMEN! You have renewed my joy in the fact that a 16 year old can use the brain that God gave him.:clap:
armed2010
29th February 2004, 05:18 PM
You have renewed my joy in the fact that a 16 year old can use the brain that God gave him.:clap:Sublte insults dont win arguments palatka :rolleyes: someone your age should know that
Palatka44
29th February 2004, 06:55 PM
Sublte insults dont win arguments palatka :rolleyes: someone your age should know that The side of this debate that you are on is wrong and you do not know it. Please open that young mind of yours and your heart to the Gospel.
Good Day.
armed2010
29th February 2004, 07:33 PM
The side of this debate that you are on is wrong and you do not know it. Please open that young mind of yours and your heart to the Gospel.
Good Day.
:rolleyes: Youve changed my mind completely, point me to the nearest stem cell research building and provide me with some C4. Its you who is on the wrong side of this debate. Im more worried with the welfare of our rising population of seniors, than with some tiny cells. This is not a baby farm where we keep fully grown humans and harvest their organs, we take cells from a tiny package of cells and use them to heal very debilitating diseases which have plagued people for millenia. We are on the verge of a breakthrough where we could completely cure diabeties, alzheimers, parkinsons disease, and completely regenerate and grow organs for people. With the extreme shortage of organs being donated, this could save thousands upon thousands of lives. This is the next step in medicine, and when you want to drop your PETA like mentality relating to this, your welcome to come aboard and help heal the world.
KarateJack
1st March 2004, 12:42 PM
Cloning is indeed, wrong. God should be the only person to have the authorization to create a soul/human/living being. Not science.
RVincent
3rd March 2004, 04:16 PM
I know a pastor who said he's not convinced they've cloned anything.
"Somewhere along the way, a goat jumped the fence."
GinooKo
9th March 2004, 02:07 AM
I think cloning is wrong. It's like playing God to me.
MediocrityInAction
9th March 2004, 09:36 AM
Cloning for medical purposes- Roll it on! There are literally hundreds of ailments it could help. Human cloning to create people on the other hand is a rather stupid idea. Not due to any great moral concerns on my part, but due to the fact that we already have a perfectly good (and quite enjoyable) way of creating new people, and cloning just seems a rather roundabout and pointless way of doing it.
TMAKA
9th March 2004, 02:18 PM
stem cloning is alright, but it is wrong to play god....
jacobgold
10th March 2004, 09:20 PM
How is it wrong? Just how is it playing god? Do you know how the process works? A human clone still has to be raised and given birth to by a woman. Its not like it has memories of the clone, Its just like having identical twins in seperate births.
And those people saying you shouldn't do it because it kills an egg I say this: so what? An unfertilized egg is about as human as a sperm. It is only the combination of the two that makes a human being.
GlowingFirefly
11th March 2004, 05:55 PM
A human clone does not have God's Holy Spirit with them. God is the one who created all of us and gave us his Holy Spirit. When scientists create humans, they do not have a soul. Scientists can't make a soul magicaly appear, only God can, and he does when we are growing inside our mother's womb.
So yeah, cloning is way wrong. God creates us, not scientists.
prince didymus
13th March 2004, 12:17 PM
Personally I see nothing wrong with cloning at all.
sammipher
14th March 2004, 12:01 AM
Nope don't agree with cloning.
Spurgeon
14th March 2004, 01:20 AM
Human cloning is not a case of whether we can or not. We can kill. We can steal. We can commit adultery. The question is should we? Why should any of us do anything to interfere with God's creation?
Skrock77
22nd March 2004, 02:27 PM
I feel it's wrong. If someone were to clone a human and use the body for medical persoses, then I feel that they are killing innocent souls. That's just the way I see it :)
Glorianna
30th March 2004, 04:29 AM
People trying to be like God is absolutely wrong. It gives me the creeps (partly because of what happened in Frankenstein). We should never try to create living beings! That's God's job.
jeshohaia
22nd April 2004, 11:39 PM
Where does it say in any of the Holy Scriptures, "Thou shalt not clone!" I see it the same as giving birth. The clone will have life and be one of G-Ds creations just as we are. It will be a human. Just as we are. Why are you affraid?
wrtbooks
23rd April 2004, 06:48 PM
I definitely disagree with cloning for the purpose of reproduction, but I think we cannot ignore the medical benefits of things like stem cell research. I personally find it difficult where to draw the line on when a group of cells becomes a person, but I feel comfortable with using stem cells that have only divided a few times. I realize though, that not every one will agree and that this is a line that each person must draw on their own. The difficulty is deciding what we as a nation and a world should support as ethical. I don't know if there will ever be a good answer to that one.
As for messing around too much with life, we have been doing that for too long already. Our presence on Earth has rgeatly affected many different forms of life. Genetic engineering will just do it faster and differently.AMEN
Bulldog
24th April 2004, 12:24 AM
Not Sure.
merryheart
24th April 2004, 01:02 AM
You don't get stem cells without first concieving a viable complete human embryo and then killing the child to extract it's stem cells. This is just too bazzar to even think about. What kind of monsters have we become?
Stem Cells do not just come from embryos. One of the newest sources is from white blood cells...
http://www.anl.gov/OPA/news03/news030224.htm
Argonne scientist Eliezer Huberman and his colleagues, Yong Zhao and David Glesne, examined adult monocytes, a type of white blood cells that act as precursors to macrophages. The researchers found that when monocytes were exposed to a growth factor, they created a set of pluripotent stem cells. After cultivating the stem cells, the scientists were able to make the cells differentiate into nerve, liver, and immune system tissue by delivering more growth factors.
JesusFollowerTtE
24th April 2004, 03:11 AM
I really dislike the fact of cloning. But then i dont beleive in scince really too. I mean come on Gob made us to fowfile his love for us and by cloning and other scince junk we really arent helping God! but then thats my on opinion.
Timothy
violetstar
4th June 2004, 02:31 PM
Yes, cloning is wrong
Pacigoth13
5th June 2004, 05:19 AM
Cloning is not only a crime against humanity... it is also a crime against divinity.
violetstar
5th June 2004, 12:00 PM
I disagree with cloning.
Father's Child
5th June 2004, 01:09 PM
I think if we close ourselves we'll have like another race. It's almost like they'd be expendable. We could make someone and send them off to war, knowing they'll die, or just not careing. I don't think we should do that to anyone, an orignal person or clone.
rua2j33
5th June 2004, 05:23 PM
I believe that cloning is acceptable. Souls can not be cloned so it is essencially the same as twins being born. Am I wrong?
If life comes from God and the soul comes from God, then would a manmade clone have a soul? And if it did have a soul, when it dies, where would it go?:confused:
My other concern is that what if there is a problem after the clone is "born"? Would it be destroyed and would it be murder?
Pentecostal_Wind
6th June 2004, 01:38 PM
were having abortion and killing baby's these days,and cloning human eings,comon
mrdavide
6th June 2004, 02:07 PM
cloning is evil
zoe_uu
6th June 2004, 03:36 PM
Stem cell research should be allowed.
Aduro Amnis
6th June 2004, 07:33 PM
Yes, any form of cloning is acceptable.
angelnstix
9th June 2004, 04:10 PM
Science has gone too far in my opinion. Cloning is in my opinion wrong and not God's plan.
Tinydancer19
11th June 2004, 01:31 PM
We can't ignore medical advances these days. But what I don't understand is why don't doctors worry about finding cures for diseases to help save lives rather then attempting to reproduce lives. If we can overcome disease then we can live our lives out to their fullest. Therefore no one would have the urge to bring anyone back to life or double someone. Its ridiculous in my opinion.
angelnstix
11th June 2004, 03:36 PM
We can't ignore medical advances these days. But what I don't understand is why don't doctors worry about finding cures for diseases to help save lives rather then attempting to reproduce lives. If we can overcome disease then we can live our lives out to their fullest. Therefore no one would have the urge to bring anyone back to life or double someone. Its ridiculous in my opinion.
Yes I agree!! And if they had/would my son would be alive right now and many others that die from cancer and other diseases. That really ticks me off that they are playing with all these things that are not saving lives. Oh do NOT get me started.....ugh. :sigh:
Grace_of_God
12th June 2004, 12:48 AM
I am totally and completely 100% against cloning. I think it is playing God and I do not think it is necessary! I think we need to leave creation up to God by reproducing the natural way and taking care of the lives who are already in existant rather than going around creating duplicates of everyone!!
God bless,
~GoG~
TheMainException
14th June 2004, 11:13 AM
Cloning is absolutely fine. You may have your body cloned, but the person inside will be completely different.
violetstar
14th June 2004, 01:44 PM
No, you should not clone anything.
kua2u
14th June 2004, 01:51 PM
Yes, cloning in any form okay. Science always evolves faster than the law and I'm sure some regulations will follow.
stardog
14th June 2004, 08:03 PM
Cloning should be allowed. Certain cloning methods have valuable applications.
openup4christ
16th June 2004, 05:42 AM
Dont Mess With God
oldrooster
16th June 2004, 05:47 AM
I think the world would be a better place if I was cloned....
angelnstix
26th June 2004, 10:54 AM
Oldrooster!! You are funny! How did you get those things under your name? I have never seen them before??? By the way I love your name!!
God bless!
angelnstix
cat has felt the light!
26th June 2004, 12:50 PM
I believe that human cloning is wrong, messing with stuff thats dangerous and well I don't know just wrong. But we cannot and should not ignore the medical benefits of cloning stem cells, I'm sure they will help many many people!
C@ xx
CrystalBrooke
26th June 2004, 04:44 PM
the way i see it...if God wanted 2 of me, id be a twin:) just my 2cents;)
kua2u
26th June 2004, 05:48 PM
Cyrstal71503--and maybe you and I were a twin, but we absorbed the other in the uterus. It happens.
I think humankind has a big tendency to think anything new, especially when it deals WITH us humans is wrong.
Actually, CLONING is already here. It's called twins, triplets, etc. So a more accurate name would be "artificial twinning." because it simulates the way twins naturally develop, by removing one or more cells from an embryo and encouraging the cell to develop into a separate embryo with the same DNA as the original.
There are lots of things CLONING could help Humankind with:
*Like a better understanding of miscarriages and how they could be stopped
*It could help us figure out how the fertilized egg attaches to the uterus and thereby help us develp safer and better birth control
*It could help women get pregant who need help. Some women only produce one egg, even after stimulation with drugs and this makes In Vitro fertilization not as hopeful for them. With Cloning, one egg could be stimulated to turn into 12--and those fertilized, which are much better odds for the lady.
*You already know about the diseases it could help with, right?
*It could help stop certain late developing defects in fetus's. The fertilized ovem would be cloned. And the duplicate would be tested for disease. If good, the other could be implated in the woman.
And yes, there are ways in which cloning could be manipulated for bad--like genuis babys only and stuff, but that is where legislation would come in--as it has for any technology.
Anyway, just wanted to point out another way of looking at it.
By the way, my father was a clone. Had an identical brother a minute older.
PaladinGirl
26th June 2004, 05:52 PM
Well, I feel like any kind of human cloning is wrong except I am a little undecided on the idea of cloning embryos for stem cells that can be used for medical purposes. I mean, suppose we find a cure for cancer and even aids through stem cell research? I know we can do stem cell research through other ways but aren't donated stem cells from cord blood and such kinda in short supply?
SAPguy
26th June 2004, 05:59 PM
My clone has decided that he is against cloning..... :eek:
Centrifuge04
26th June 2004, 06:35 PM
I think cloning is very wrong, it's like someone is trying to play God which is NOT cool
snoopyloopysk8a
26th June 2004, 08:55 PM
Cloning for medical purposes- Roll it on! There are literally hundreds of ailments it could help. Human cloning to create people on the other hand is a rather stupid idea. Not due to any great moral concerns on my part, but due to the fact that we already have a perfectly good (and quite enjoyable) way of creating new people, and cloning just seems a rather roundabout and pointless way of doing it.
Hehe:D
snoopyloopysk8a
26th June 2004, 08:56 PM
My clone has decided that he is against cloning..... :eek:
You mean you didn't clone your brain too?
Michael713
27th June 2004, 09:03 PM
No. Just b/c we have the ability to do something, doesn't mean we should.
There may be benefits here and now, but what consequences will God lay upon those who participate and are not saved in the end?
CZzyzx41
27th June 2004, 10:53 PM
Human cloning would be one of the most blatant rebellions against God I could think of, this side of murder. I fear what God's reaction would be.
Aduro Amnis
27th June 2004, 11:49 PM
Human cloning would be one of the most blatant rebellions against God I could think of, this side of murder. I fear what God's reaction would be.
Nothing, because its just human replication, and atleast we know its not getting aborted.
Cloning is VERY similar to how me and you and everyone else was produced, just some processes are different.
signwonder
1st July 2004, 05:52 PM
We are to go into all the world and make desciples. This is the only way that God wants us to clone ourselves and has nothing to do with science. I do encourage you christians that are mature in Christ to begin to produce fruit or desciples. Teach others what you know!
Emmy
3rd July 2004, 10:19 AM
I agree with Polymer Tim;cloning for reproduction is not only wrong,it is trying to become creators themselves.Although I know,that God will never allow it to happen,it is still an unforgible SIN.However,if it is stem cell research to assist in alleviating some diseases,I believe God will even help,if asked. Sincere greetings from Emmy.
Cirrus Fox
4th July 2004, 01:34 PM
I am edgy when it comes to the topic of cloning.
Whereas I'm against cloning the living, I'm not against cloning stem cells. I realize these cells (embryos, I suppose I should say) could become life. However, the embryos are not yet life, one could state. When does life begin - at conception; when an embryo matures into a fetus; or at birth?
I'll put it this way: I'm not crazy about cloning stem cells, and I hope for an alternative, but there are benefits. In theory, embryonic stem cells could be used to replace any body part damaged by illness or accident. This could lead to cures for recalcitrant diseases (Alzheimer's, diabetes, Parkinsons, etc.) The paralyzed may even be able to walk again!
daydreamergurl15
5th July 2004, 04:48 PM
I think no matter what, the world can never make anything as good as what God makes. They can try but it will always pale in comparision to what God made. Worldly things, always fail, break down, and need to be "improved." God did it once and it was good. And when people are going to do cloning well guess what, they are using what God did first and only God can control things, so this will be very interesting. :)
wakeboardwithheart
5th July 2004, 07:55 PM
i think cloning is wrong. but can still be used for a good cause. im not sure if i approve of it or not
Teacher
6th July 2004, 11:28 AM
All I know of is that one of me, or anyone I know, is enough!
LynneClomina
13th July 2004, 11:43 PM
Clones are people two!!!! :D
Moros
13th July 2004, 11:52 PM
I am generally against cloning and stem cell research, that is to say, the purposeful abortion of babies to get the cells.
DanielJamesSimon
14th July 2004, 09:55 AM
I am against human cloning because I believe that this is in the hands of God.
I am against stem cell research/cloning, even if only for medical purposes, for the same reason I am against abortion - life begins at conception.
f16fan12
14th July 2004, 10:02 AM
I am definitely for cloning, both stem cell and people clones. So many wonderful things can be accomplished with stem cells. You can easily save someone's life. Is that not higher than any other belief? Shouldn't life be saved before anything else? As for cloning people, what if the only people to defend you were clones? You must create a clone army because no one else can fight. Would you accept that and let them fight and die for you? If one died would you feel remorse?
DanielJamesSimon
14th July 2004, 10:07 AM
I am definitely for cloning, both stem cell and people clones. So many wonderful things can be accomplished with stem cells. You can easily save someone's life. Is that not higher than any other belief? Shouldn't life be saved before anything else? As for cloning people, what if the only people to defend you were clones? You must create a clone army because no one else can fight. Would you accept that and let them fight and die for you? If one died would you feel remorse?
Saving someone's life is indeed very high, but to kill someone in order to save someone else is wrong. Killing a conceived human, no matter how young, to have a very, very slim chance of helping save another's life is simply unjustifiable.
Perhaps in the case that we either clone an army or be wiped out, I would be okay with human cloning. Before that time, though, I will not.
Inquisitior
14th July 2004, 09:15 PM
How can we 'play God'? We are nowhere near nor can we ever comprehend what it is to be God. Yet, I believe everything is according to God's will. How can we think that whatever we do is on par or out of God's control?
RevSirBuz
14th July 2004, 09:38 PM
Cloning to me is just man trying to be God.... Funny really no matter how hard man tries they will never be God, they can only reshape, reform, duplicate, and resize things, but they can't make somthing out of nothing. Man can only take what is already given and do somthing with.
God made somthing out of nothing..
Cloning for any reason in my book is wrong.. we all have a time to go and God knows that time.. to create a life just to destroy it so somone else may live a little longer is not just a bad idea it's also bad morals. I'm actually surprised this is even an Issue in today's society.
Just my views.. Only God knows.. I could be wrong
Big Mouth Nana
14th July 2004, 11:25 PM
I think it is an abomination to the Lord. If He wanted us cloned, He would have given us all identical twins.
Love&Pain
14th July 2004, 11:38 PM
I think cloning in wrong...man creating man :eek: God created man and I don't think he'd approves of people making a replica of someone else because he created us to be different. That would be scary to see 100's of me's. :P
stillblessed
15th July 2004, 12:37 AM
i guess only if it were meant to save a life,if you reproduce genes and cells,not a total person.
LynneClomina
15th July 2004, 12:50 AM
anyone remember the movie/book, "anna to the infinite power"?
going_crazy_am_i_me2
15th July 2004, 12:17 PM
i think human cloning is wrong. and think of this... if people do manage to clone someone.... does that person have a soul?? becasue God didnt make them, are they going to have the extent of knowalge power that we have??
rhemarob
19th July 2004, 06:30 PM
I love clones, with their bright red round noses and huge shoes, they always make me laugh!
Ashlynne
22nd July 2004, 04:05 AM
cloning is wrong!
kwimmer
12th August 2004, 05:09 PM
Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments, but not when babies are killed to obtain them.
immersedingrace
12th August 2004, 11:38 PM
anyone remember the movie/book, "anna to the infinite power"?
I do!...that was such an odd book. It was probably the very first sci-fi book I ever read, and it's always stuck in my brain that cloning was wrong not to mention scary.
Mimi
13th August 2004, 06:02 AM
Stemcell cloning is okay. I have them in my red bone marrow so no embryo needs to die for that. If they can clone my heart with it and I get a healthy heart.......well, fine with me. Cloning humans is weird......why would we want that anyway? Two of me? Oh man.....that would be sooooo bad LOL
JohnnyV
14th August 2004, 02:31 PM
I honestly do not know how I feel about this subject. I was going to vote for 'just stem cell cloning for ailments' but wonder if you meant using fetus stem cells or adult? I am all for using adult stem cells to clone for cures, but using fetus stem cells... I believe the way they are getting them is wrong. I heard Pat Robertson talking about this one day, and I agree with him mostly. It would be great if they could do it without using fetus stem cells, like organ donors.... again, I am still unsure about this.
faith by day
15th August 2004, 07:24 PM
in my oppion its wrong. God made everyone different! theres no need to be look-a-likes now is there?
The "J"
2nd September 2004, 12:22 AM
I hate the idea of cloning.
Mimi
2nd September 2004, 04:09 AM
Can we stop science?
Kristi1
2nd September 2004, 04:28 AM
To clone or not to clone? What are your thoughts?
I voted ~> No... human cloning is wrong!
christianfilmcrew
4th September 2004, 08:51 PM
I put not sure, although I don't see playing God to be a good thing.
I personally question IVF programs etc too... If God wants something to happen He will bring it into being. If cloning tho is just a pure dna to dna thing in and of itself I don't have a problem with. It's the ethical issues of how cloning would be used.
Cloning is just DNA matter, God is the one who puts in the spirit/soul. Now here's the thing. I'm against cloning because it's mans attempt at playing God. I see no reason for cloning, apart from selfish immoral reasons.
I disagree with cloning for medical purposes, that reduces life to a blob of tissue.
I disagree with embryonic stem cell research. Stem cells can be harvested from other places like umbilical cords, and other places. Embryonic stem cell research should definitely be banned.
DeusAmante
5th September 2004, 05:32 PM
To clone or not to clone? What are your thoughts?
Cloning is completely wrong and it is just another way for man to try to be like God. I cannot agree with this, because only God is the creator, and when man tries to create something it always has a glitch because man is not perfect--so therefore how scary would it be for man to create HUMAN BEINGS. *shivers* I also do not agree with stem cell research, how is that any different than abortion? Killing a baby for convience...or to save another life. I believe the taking and the creating of life should be left up to God's hands.
In His Grip,
Hannah
Richard
6th September 2004, 07:13 PM
that is wrong !
Nevada77
6th September 2004, 11:40 PM
Only adult stem cell cloning. No one dies and the research can help with may illnesses.
Nevada :angel:
Busybee
7th September 2004, 05:51 AM
Always strikes me as mankind trying to play God. If God wanted something cloned he would've just made twins in my opinion.
Raithlin
7th September 2004, 06:16 AM
I really don't know which stand to take on this subject. My gut feel is to say no though...
SoLaWaVe
7th September 2004, 06:23 AM
We dont have thr right to play God.
Im more than sure God would NOT approve.
jewishprincess613
7th September 2004, 03:00 PM
I believe that cloning (not just of humans) is WRONG and that it is a case of where science is going too far.
SoLaWaVe
8th September 2004, 04:39 AM
Kewl! your from Israel! How sweet is that, im 1/8th Jew... thats not very jew, but anyway, there is some blood there!
Key Peninsula Redneck
8th September 2004, 04:40 AM
No. The universe is too small for two of me.
Besides, I don't trust some guy that looks exactly like me...
mjiracek
8th September 2004, 04:43 AM
The thing with stem cell research is that the stem cells from fetuses have not been proven to cure anything. Adult stem cells have however. ask micheal reagan. So we do not need to get all worked up about stem cell research. go with what works, adult stem cells
Touring3D
8th September 2004, 04:05 PM
I believe all forms of cloning is wrong. I am not exactly sure what God would say, but I like to err on the side of caution.
jewishprincess613
8th September 2004, 10:24 PM
Kewl! your from Israel! How sweet is that, im 1/8th Jew... thats not very jew, but anyway, there is some blood there!
Hello! I am actually from Canada, but since I am a Zionist, I decided to use the Israel flag this time around. My heart belongs to both. :) As for being 1/8th Jewish, let's see---if your mother's mother's mother is the Jewish one, then you would be a Jew according to our Law, regardless of being mainly from Gentile ancestry.
DeusAmante
9th September 2004, 09:29 PM
Only adult stem cell cloning. No one dies and the research can help with may illnesses.
Nevada :angel:
I'm sorry, I didn't clarify what I meant, my bad. And, I do not agree with any kind of cloning. It may helps with many illnesses but have you ever thought of the future consequences...or even the present consequences if they decided to allow cloning?
DeusAmante
9th September 2004, 09:32 PM
Always strikes me as mankind trying to play God. If God wanted something cloned he would've just made twins in my opinion.
AMEN! :) Great point Busy. I completely agree!
indeep
9th September 2004, 11:56 PM
I believe that human cloning is wrong, and scientists are really just meddling in a lot of things they may not know everything about. I believe that it is a dangerous practice.
Bladecarver
10th September 2004, 08:28 AM
I am kinda iffy on this one. I think that cloning cells to save a life is fine. Not the whole person.
liberator
10th September 2004, 05:03 PM
Cloning sounds positively revolting, I cannot agree that it is right to mess with human life like that, I would need a tremendous amount of convincing :sick:
pgp_protector
10th September 2004, 05:19 PM
Always strikes me as mankind trying to play God. If God wanted something cloned he would've just made twins in my opinion.
Not really a good argument.
If that was the case, then
IVF should also be banned and other ways to help with Infertility
(If God wanted them to have a Child they would get have a child the natural way)
Genetic Engineering should be banned (Genetic Engineering Info (http://www.txtwriter.com/Onscience/Articles/rice.html) )
If God wanted rice with high vitamin content, He would of created it
All4one
10th September 2004, 05:36 PM
Why clone? I want to be like Jesus but only spiritually. Cloning is like killing individuality which so many people scream to have today. :help:
churchgoer38850
11th September 2004, 02:13 AM
yep yep
ChristianGirlNY
19th September 2004, 09:41 PM
cloning is bad making people is God's job
SuperSmart
20th September 2004, 08:42 PM
It is wrong making life is God's job
brinny
21st September 2004, 11:31 PM
It's a baaaaaaad idea.
okiemommy26
26th September 2004, 04:13 PM
no it is wrong
andiesmama
26th September 2004, 04:15 PM
totally against it, bad idea
XxAuroraxX
2nd October 2004, 03:40 PM
i just don't approve. its wrong to play god.
night2day
2nd October 2004, 05:18 PM
Since this is experimentation on human beings for who knows what purpose. (Some of which are ghastly to guess. It's been suggested clones can be used as "spare parts" for the original. UGH!) :o
In either cases, it's toying with human life. Human science has tried to play God enough already. It's a shame they don't get the hint.
k
2nd October 2004, 06:25 PM
We can't even love most of the people that are on the earth today, and in our imperfect, selfish, and blind bodies, we actually top the pinnacle of arrogance by thinking we are able to create people ourselves.
Peace
Neal
7th October 2004, 09:14 AM
I think there's some difference between using certain types of stem cells... one could be from a baby (like, before it's born), and I think that that is wrong, since it doesn't have a chance then to develop. But if it's from an adult already, then they can still survive without it. I dunno, maybe I'm wrong, but I thought that's what I read.
greetwell
7th October 2004, 10:32 AM
Stem cell cloning which serves the purpose of "medical implant bank" should be carried forward with all force. Cloning for purpose of having a stand-by twin is sick, but when it comes to life saving issues I see no reason why one should be so pessimistic about it.
brinny
7th October 2004, 10:46 AM
We can't even love most of the people that are on the earth today, and in our imperfect, selfish, and blind bodies, we actually top the pinnacle of arrogance by thinking we are able to create people ourselves.
Peace
I agree. I find it scary for a human being to have that power....for all of the reasons and more, that Neverstop mentioned. :eek: :help:
HappyMomof4
7th October 2004, 03:21 PM
No it's totally wrong. Completely.
Natman
7th October 2004, 03:39 PM
I do not think that "cloning" itself is morally or Biblically wrong. The purpose for cloning may be morally wrong if it involves destroying (murdering) the cloned individual. "Destruction of human life" is NEVER justification for "improvement of human life".
Also, cloning may bypass some of God's purpose for the reproductive process and actually produce weaker humans down the road. Natural reproduction takes into account the combined strengths (and weaknesses) of those that are reproducing, as well as current environmental conditions.
Like the situration with resistant bacteria, we do not even come close to understanding the down-stream ramifications of cloning and, until we do, I think we should keep our mits out of God's business
Gwynne
8th October 2004, 01:46 PM
I believe cloning stem cells for medical reasons is ok. However attempting to clone a person is just... messing with nature a bit too much.
Waterhouse
19th January 2005, 11:08 PM
For medical reasons...
jameseb
19th January 2005, 11:10 PM
'Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments'
BubblesRelena
19th January 2005, 11:14 PM
Any type of cloning is WRONG!! It's not natural, and there could be side effects that haven't been discovered yet.
Laurel Crowned
19th January 2005, 11:32 PM
I think cloning is wrong. I don't know all the ins and outs of the current debate over it... but I can't support what I do know.
prettyrose436
20th January 2005, 01:23 PM
it's wrong
eaglex
20th January 2005, 07:00 PM
To clone an entire human being is wrong. To clone parts like a new appendix or new heart is not wrong and I would be for it.
gizmo03
20th January 2005, 11:43 PM
I always joke around saying I wouldn't mind taking certain people and cloning them, only because certain people are only one in a million. Maybe not clone the whole person, just clone someone thought process, how they go about things and deal with certain things.
ladybug01
21st January 2005, 06:13 PM
Cloning is a very immoral and a gravely unnatural act. We must never do it on humans.
I'm not sure whether or not it would be immoral to clone animals. But since they don't have eternal, rational souls like we do, I don't think it would be wrong. However, I just have misgivings about the entire concept...
I'll look into it more later. This is a great question! Quite thought-provoking, too.
tweek821
21st January 2005, 06:30 PM
I think cloning is wrong because those scientists are trying to play God and that NEVER ends well. If they ever got to cloning humans, they would be souless, ya know? They woudl be no more than a science experiment. And then identity crisis would become a huge problem. But that's onyl if they get far enough to clone humans.
Da_Funkey_Gibbon
22nd January 2005, 12:01 PM
Nothing against stem cell cloning, it can save lives.
bill16652
22nd January 2005, 02:06 PM
no
Raheelah
23rd January 2005, 12:55 PM
only stem cell for medical reasons and even then it must be the very last resort :) ;) :D :cool: :P :wave: :thumbsup: :amen: :clap: :hug: :preach: :prayer: :groupray: :bow: :angel:
brinny
23rd January 2005, 12:57 PM
not my cup of tea
Mister_mag00
12th February 2005, 04:45 AM
Stem cell cloning is ok for medical reasons, but cloning entire human beings is scary and should not be advanced.You wouldn`t know who was who to say the least.
Tanyalita
12th February 2005, 07:52 AM
I think stem cell cloning is ok for medical reasons, but cloning a full human being could spell disaster..
MetalBlade
12th February 2005, 02:04 PM
I think it is wrong! I don't think we have the right to play God.
HolyPlace
12th February 2005, 02:58 PM
I think cloning is wrong! God made one of us..if he wanted there to be 2 there would be.
Godjunkie
14th February 2005, 11:23 PM
Cloning full humans and some of the stem cell cloning just doesn't feel right to me, but I am still sorting out the idea of cloning certain cells from a person's own body to fix their own ailment.
underOATH!
15th February 2005, 12:47 AM
Cloning is wrong. I don't think God approves of it. Just my opinion.
Letalis
15th February 2005, 01:01 AM
Cloning is highly immoral.
Budasolkai
16th February 2005, 01:44 PM
Cloning people...NO! But as for medical purposes, I think that is OK under certain conditions. Like if a person gets in a car accident or has cancer or something, and the only way to save them is to replace something and they doctors cant find a match for them, then go ahead and make them the needed part. But if a someone breaks into someones house and they get shot by the owner, and the only way to save them is the same situation as above. Then....sorry, I think I would tell them to complain to satan about it.
rosenherman
16th February 2005, 01:57 PM
You don't get stem cells without first concieving a viable complete human embryo and then killing the child to extract it's stem cells. This is just too bazzar to even think about. What kind of monsters have we become?
That's not entirely correct. Stem cells can be harvested from the umbilicus which is discarded after a birth. So healthy birth or still birth, you still have the stem cells and no one has been killed for them.
rosenherman
16th February 2005, 02:06 PM
A human clone does not have God's Holy Spirit with them. God is the one who created all of us and gave us his Holy Spirit. When scientists create humans, they do not have a soul. Scientists can't make a soul magicaly appear, only God can, and he does when we are growing inside our mother's womb.
So yeah, cloning is way wrong. God creates us, not scientists.
How can you be sure that God won't endow each clone with a soul?
•Amadeus•
17th February 2005, 02:04 AM
It seems to me stem cell research is extremely misunderstood...one must study the truth of it before deciding.
LadyCoyote_Fin
17th February 2005, 02:09 PM
No to human cloning... I think the science has gone too far with this issue... Science is ok, but there is some limits we arent allowed to cross.
LC :angel:
EastBaySaint
18th February 2005, 01:37 AM
No... human cloning is wrong!
aca_rev55
18th February 2005, 01:55 AM
Well I'm totally for it. Keep up the good work, boys.
Lithium Hobo
18th February 2005, 01:58 AM
Cloning is fine. I'm sure many innovations were controversal when first put into practice. The idea of sun being the center of the galaxy certainly rattled a few cages. We all need to have a more open mind about this and see where it takes us, hopefully for the better.
aca_rev55
18th February 2005, 03:06 AM
Cloning is fine. I'm sure many innovations were controversal when first put into practice. The idea of sun being the center of the galaxy certainly rattled a few cages. We all need to have a more open mind about this and see where it takes us, hopefully for the better.
I totally agree. Same with Earth being the center of the Universe... the Roman Catholic Church I think it was didn't formally admit that they recognized that as a fact until the early 1980's. When Galileo (or was it Copernicus? Kepler?) claimed that the Earth was not the center of Universe, he was put under house arrest for the remainder of his life... I believe that was Copernicus but I'm not sure, but I do know that many scientists were laughed at, taunted, held in trial, imprisoned and sentenced to house arrest without contact.
mycatspice
18th February 2005, 03:10 AM
Um, this isn't something I'm too well versed on. I don't have enough facts to gather a conclusion ... :scratch:
rachewil15
18th February 2005, 11:39 AM
I have no idea. I mean it's not like it's mentioned in the bible, so we can't really know if God would approve or disapprove, right? I would guess that He would disapprove because it's just one of those weird things that's come about by science. And science and religion usually don't mix well together. But honestly I don't know, I can only guess.
Sweet Pea
18th February 2005, 08:54 PM
I don't think people should clone.
aca_rev55
18th February 2005, 10:06 PM
I think the science behind cloning is quite fascinating, and it really intrigues me. Stem cell research will do wonders in the future. Besides... what else are genticists going to do with all that time? Rumor has it they're working hard at figuring out how to grow limbs that maybe you weren't born with or something. You know like if a certain species of lizards loses its tail, it will grow back... same with other animals and extremeties like arms and legs. If you lost a leg in an accident or something, you could "grow it back." Sounds cool to me.
jesusfreak22
19th February 2005, 07:45 PM
I think cloning is morally WRONG! only if they have to for medicine.
pentecostalgirl0414
19th February 2005, 07:48 PM
I think that all types of cloning is wrong and should not be allowed!
aca_rev55
19th February 2005, 09:48 PM
I heart cloning. I heart it a lot.
ysl_75
21st February 2005, 11:34 PM
To clone or not to clone? What are your thoughts?
I think its not a good idea for cloning because God has create everyone so special in their own way.
PaladinGirl
22nd February 2005, 06:49 AM
Human cloning is definitely wrong. We do not have the right to play God!
jameseb
22nd February 2005, 06:56 AM
Human cloning is definitely wrong. We do not have the right to play God!
Ah, but if cloning is meddling in God's affairs, then wouldn't modern medicine, vaccines, organ transplants, etc. also qualify for "playing God?"
Cloning. It does the body good. :thumbsup:
(for medical research purposes)
aca_rev55
22nd February 2005, 11:08 PM
Ah, but if cloning is meddling in God's affairs, then wouldn't modern medicine, vaccines, organ transplants, etc. also qualify for "playing God?"
Cloning. It does the body good. :thumbsup:
(for medical research purposes)
I so totally agree. Vaccines help control viruses, antibacterials with bacteria... cloning, simply a new possibility brought about by technology and science. Besides, God could have just made physicis and genetics make cloning impossible to begin with! ;)
Ta,
Kareline
Saruman
23rd February 2005, 12:27 AM
I don't agree with it, but cloning animals is a lot different, and more, if any, bit more acceptable than cloning people.
aca_rev55
23rd February 2005, 04:14 AM
I don't agree with it, but cloning animals is a lot different, and more, if any, bit more acceptable than cloning people.
Tell me how cloning animals is more acceptable than cloning people? Technically, people ARE animals, just intelligent ones rather. We're a species of animals. I personally, do not have a problem with any kind of cloning... but I do have a problem with many of the medical experiments that are unsafe used on animals. I also am not too keen on the idea of testing out prison gas chambers on rabbits...
Stairway
23rd February 2005, 04:33 AM
I suspect the reason why so many people are opposed to cloning has nothing to do with ethics. After all, I don't see all of the anti-cloning people advocating the end of capital punishment, or demanding the end of animal leg-traps. No, the real problem with cloning is not that it is unethical, rather it is because cloning contradicts that it contradicts the belief that human life requires divine intervention. Religious people feel threatened, when they are presented with evidence that contradicts what their faith tells them. The plain and simple truth is that the Christian Coalition is the biggest impediment to scientific progress. Although, in the end I am not worried, because unlike religions, nothing short of an apocalypse can stop scientific progress.
reincarnated
23rd February 2005, 04:42 AM
Well if god didn't want cloning or any other scientific progress to continue then he would put a halt to it himself.
Crusading_Ostrich
24th February 2005, 10:29 AM
Well if god didn't want cloning or any other scientific progress to continue then he would put a halt to it himself.I disagree. He eventually will - agreed. But in the meantime, he has given people a choice. I'm fairly sure he doesn't want sin to continue...but he still does - for a time. It's all part of the choice he has given us.
bill16652
24th February 2005, 10:31 AM
wrong
rosenherman
24th February 2005, 10:40 AM
wrong
Perfect answer. Short, to the point, and completely useless.
gadoken
24th February 2005, 11:12 AM
Human cloning has been done long ago, and it's still continuing today.
It's called "identical twins"
If we conduct artificial human cloning, all we'll end up with is identical twins of different ages.
Lycana
25th February 2005, 01:13 PM
Yeah but twins are from God, cloning is man playing God and I think that's just asking for a heap of trouble.
L.A.W.
2nd March 2005, 04:59 PM
Cloning is an abomination. Cloning is a broad term, so there will be disputes and misunderstanding, but in whole cloning is an abomination. Is your faith in science or is it in God?
Stem cells can be gotten elsewhere other than from a fetus-a baby. Stem cells can be collected from the placentas.
aca_rev55
2nd March 2005, 05:11 PM
Cloning is awesome
Roxa
3rd March 2005, 03:58 AM
Human cloning is wrong! I don't care what other people say... We as humans have no right to creat another human(until the it through having a realationship between man and woman) or duplicate a human being...
Gods_princess
3rd March 2005, 04:01 AM
i think it is totaly wrong in any form
anna9559
6th March 2005, 03:47 PM
Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments
tck1987
7th March 2005, 11:39 AM
I believe it's wrong.
darkmb101
8th March 2005, 02:10 AM
There is no point in human cloning, the planet is already overpopulated with us so why artificially make more? More negative results will come out of cloning than positive ones; for example the ability to create an army of super humans is NOT a good thing. BUT stem cell cloning should be acceptable becuase it helps cure diseases.
AvgJoe
13th March 2005, 02:38 AM
Playing God is not a good idea!
eternal_flame_1988
24th March 2005, 08:07 AM
Cloning Is Disgusting!!!
kleptobismol
25th March 2005, 09:55 PM
its wrong in whatever way you look at it
Lithium Hobo
26th March 2005, 04:54 AM
its wrong in whatever way you look at it
They said the same thing when someone said the earth wasn't flat and wasn't the center of the universe.
For christ alone
26th March 2005, 08:36 AM
cloning is wrong unethical and unmoral.
SHA77
26th March 2005, 11:15 AM
I'm sorry, is the Lord still in charge of this "thing" here?
I missed the scripture on duplicating human beings, please inform me.:scratch:
meebs
26th March 2005, 11:20 AM
Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments
My option. As for the rest - well (unless its identical twins etc - which occurs naturally) one of each person is enough. We need uniqueness. (and even in the case of identical twins there are differences).
I dont like the idea of embryonic cloning. Oh, i think they should be able to use it for life saving purposed, but i think more methods of extracting stem cells from other tissues should be researched more. Then once found, they should stop using embryos.
eternal_flame_1988
27th March 2005, 06:44 AM
...one of each person is enough. We need uniqueness...
I dont like the idea of embryonic cloning ...more methods of extracting stem cells from other tissues should be researched more. Then once found, they should stop using embryos.
I couldn't agree more!! God created everybody uniquely and that's the way it should stay.
Embryonic cloning is disgusting...the good news is that scientists have found that there are stem cells in the nasal passage that are just as adaptable as embryonic cells. although i don't agree with cloning at all...this is a lot more humane than using embryos!!!
meebs
27th March 2005, 06:53 AM
I couldn't agree more!! God created everybody uniquely and that's the way it should stay.
yes, for me though its seeing how unique things are in this universe. :wave: nothing is really exactly the same. I like that.
eternal_flame_1988
27th March 2005, 06:59 AM
yes, for me though its seeing how unique things are in this universe. :wave: nothing is really exactly the same. I like that.
so true. i mean, imagine if everything was exactly the same...:sick: not really something enjoyable to think about.
runner_for_jc
8th April 2005, 09:03 AM
IM not sure about cloning. Something tells me that its wrong!
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Bledsoe2
8th April 2005, 09:22 AM
Cloning is very wrong only god should be creating humans.
Bledsoe2, bball15
Jatopian
8th April 2005, 07:00 PM
Hmmm... I think we should wait until we can better predict the results before we risk making people without immune systems, etc.
chari.chari
9th April 2005, 08:43 PM
Will cloning ever actually HAPPEN? I doubt it. So why worry?
MaddiesDad
10th April 2005, 12:39 AM
Human cloning is wrong! I don't care what other people say... We as humans have no right to creat another human(until the it through having a realationship between man and woman) or duplicate a human being...:thumbsup: It does not get any more true than Roxa's statement. NO to cloning,we're making human life from cells? nah...I see death almost daily,life begins when God says so not through our own mechanisms.
twyrch
10th April 2005, 08:02 PM
To clone or not to clone? What are your thoughts?
Mankind is trying to 'play God' and God will not allow this to continue to happen. I recently read an article about a human and rabbit embreyo cloned and spliced... I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish, but I'm not sure how much longer God will allow mankind to change his blueprints.
Mal2
11th April 2005, 06:16 AM
i say clone away
Illuminite
12th April 2005, 04:30 PM
Mankind is trying to 'play God' and God will not allow this to continue to happen. I recently read an article about a human and rabbit embreyo cloned and spliced... I have no idea what they are trying to accomplish, but I'm not sure how much longer God will allow mankind to change his blueprints.i also have to nod no to clone-ation.the ones that clone are saying they're one up on God.for those that dont believe in God,there will never be a thought as to why not,they will and it will get out of hand.its happening already,and yea it will happen
baseballplaya
12th April 2005, 09:14 PM
well if ya ask me, i think that SCIENTISTS should just leave it up to GOD to make people, god made us for reasons, god didn't make us to make more of us...
GoldenStorm
13th April 2005, 07:15 AM
I think stem cell cloning for medical ailments is fine. Its scary to think of human cloning. I mean, man can't create the soul, so will God step in and create it should a human actually be succesfully cloned. And the idea of another "me" seems weird too. I think life would be boring then.
lin1235
13th April 2005, 07:49 AM
I believe it is wrong.
88Devin07
13th April 2005, 08:00 AM
I think of it this way... They aren't putting the life into the living thing. Before now, God specially had heredity and genes to make people unique. Yet now, humans are taking God's blueprint and God's set plan and are changing it around.
LIke i've said before (mainly to myself and others). Cloning isn't creating new life. Only GOD can create new life.
That is one thing that scientists haven't ever explained, how someone actually becomes living.
God created the process of heredity for detirmining human traits and characteristics. But now man is taking that and twisting it to where two people are similar.
Lastly, cloning doesn't affect the person's mindset. If one person becomes a world leader and is then cloned, his "clone" might want to become a gas station owner in a small town in rural Kansas.
Now, we shouldn't call them clones. If they do ever clone humans, they aren't some alien or foreign being. That person didn't choose to be a clone. They are still a human being, they may look and maybe act a lot like the former person, but deep down inside, they are far from the same.
We could clone a Hitler, yet that person could grow and become an evangelist. Just because someone looks and acts (has similar characteristics) like the former person, doesn't mean they will be exactly like them...
sparks_will_fly
13th April 2005, 02:33 PM
Uhm,puppyfor Christ said it clearly...nothing much else to say.its wrong,its playing with creation but God creates the soul..who are we to do this??:confused: A human clone does not have God's Holy Spirit with them. God is the one who created all of us and gave us his Holy Spirit. When scientists create humans, they do not have a soul. Scientists can't make a soul magicaly appear, only God can, and he does when we are growing inside our mother's womb.
So yeah, cloning is way wrong. God creates us, not scientists.
Mr.Cheese
13th April 2005, 02:36 PM
What fool would want another one of me running around planet earth?
88Devin07
13th April 2005, 04:01 PM
Puppyfor Christ, i have to dissagree...
The clone isn't created by scientists... Sure they choose his characteristics and such, but he is still given life by God.
God is the only creator not humans. Though it may seem we create other humans through cloning. That is not the case.
A human clone is the same as if it were born in a female...
Let me ask you this puppy, is it the clone's fault that they were cloned?
And who are you to say if these people don't have the Holy Spirit? God still creates them and shapes their lives. The clone never did anything except be born. Who are you to say if they can or cannot receive the Holy Spirit?
Clones will be just as human as you are. You are discriminating against them just because they look and act just like another human. They may look and act like that human, but inside, they are nothing like the other human. They are a completely different being.
Puppy, remember, "Judge not, lest ye also be judged".
Never say someone doesn't have the Holy Spirit and claim they are unclean. You do not know what is in their hearts. I could even go as far as to say that you don't have the Holy Spirit because of your false claims, however, I won't do that because I don't have the right.
And you neither have the right to say whether they will or won't ever receive the Holy Spirit.
You were born into Adam's sin, therefore, when you were born, you were no better than any future clones. They too will be born into Adam's sin. However they can be redeemed by Christ just as you can. If you do not believe this, then you yourself are not of Christ.
Yes cloning is wrong, but the clones aren't the ones who should receive discrimination and hate. All they did was be born. Do you blame and torture those who are born into countries in Africa for having AIDs?
No you most certainly do not. It isn't the child's fault they were born because of a sin. God gave them life regardless of traits or appearances. Even Jesus wasn't physically good looking. Physical appearances are nothing compared to the work God does inside you.
Like I said before, someone could clone an Osama, or a Kim Jong, yet that clone could be raised as a Christian and become a Minister or Missionary or Evangelist.
Or that clone could want to be a firefighter or monk instead of a terrible tyrannical murderer.
God inspires people and God gives life. Without God, we don't have life, we don't have knowledge, we don't have even existance.
Soon we may be able to choose the physical traits and characteristics of a human before they are born. Yet this doesn't mean that that person will be less in touch with God or will become exactly like it's twin.
Yes cloning is wrong, and it always will be, because who are we to detirmine such characteristics? and also, this will increase people's false ideal that they can become like or better than God. (remember Satan's mentality, and he will surely inspire that mindset among people)
"In the Beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth."
Job also said God knew him before he was physically born. God knows the "clones" before they are "scientifically born". God loves them just as much as he loves you and me. No less and no more.
God bless you all, regardless of belief or origin.
Jatopian
13th April 2005, 06:48 PM
Firstly, I reiterate that we should not risk making people with serious defects, and should understand genetics better before we attempt cloning, in case the clone is entitled to rights.
Secondly, I see fallacy.
If a clone has a soul, then God gave it to him. If God gave it to him, He must think that cloning is a legitimate way to create humans.
If a clone lacks a soul, it cannot be any more wrong than cloning an animal.
This, though, brings up a question. What defines humanity? How could we tell whether a clone had a soul?
MQTA
14th April 2005, 04:50 AM
ask it?
kissybug27
19th April 2005, 11:23 AM
I don't think I have posted here yet ...it says I haven't so Im guessing not. I believe that human cloning is wrong. That it should be God's will to give life as well as take it away. As far as the stem cell thing goes I don't have a problem with it as long as they are not taking aborted children or creating babies or cloning heaven forbid for the purpose of stem cell research. As it says in the bible Thou shalt not kill
himers77
19th April 2005, 01:48 PM
I think that cloning is absolutely wrong. Does man have the ability to play God? I don't think so. I don't know how much longer God is going to let this go on.
Jatopian
20th April 2005, 10:00 PM
I say that unless Scripture calls it immoral, it is not immoral. So, I challenge the naysayers to provide Scriptural backing.
-Lily-
21st April 2005, 10:37 AM
I believe cloning is wrong.
reformedfan
21st April 2005, 11:11 AM
stem cell cloning is especially wrong: harvesting the young to assist the old is unbelievably wicked no matter what you think of cloning in general..
jesusfreck120
22nd April 2005, 09:49 PM
no human cloning
Unique
23rd April 2005, 12:47 AM
I think cloning is wrong but if you want to give me Biblical reasons it might be right, please pm me, I'm very curious about this subject.
Raptured Soul
24th April 2005, 10:22 PM
We cannot play God.
MQTA
24th April 2005, 10:33 PM
What is Cloning anyway? Original Sci Fi cloning was like having a Twin of oneself, same age, same everything... memory, thoughts... and most people fantasize about the possibilities.
But real cloning is just tinkering with creating another being with just one "parents" genetic code? Is that it?
I imagine it's really not all what we thought it would be, or feared.
purpleunicorn_Andi
29th April 2005, 12:30 AM
i think it is a bit disturbing
Jatopian
29th April 2005, 09:50 PM
We cannot play God.
Why not?! We were made in His image, we are to be like His avatar, so why would you say that? And why would you prejudicially assume that the scientists wish to be God?
Kekkaku Ryuu
29th April 2005, 11:46 PM
I think it's wrong. They are messing around with things that are supposed to be left alone.
LandonC
30th April 2005, 12:05 AM
Im in a greay area at the time, as I can see it fromboth points of views, though im leaning towards no, as it seems to be playing God.
maylu_roll
30th April 2005, 06:29 AM
I dont believe u can clone someone. Its impossible! Sure, you van clone the physical body and the mind but you cant clone the spirit/soul of that person. Therefor its impossible. The only reason they were able to clone that sheep was because animals dont have spirits. If animals had spirits then the process wouldnt work.
MQTA
30th April 2005, 09:48 PM
I dont believe u can clone someone. Its impossible! Sure, you van clone the physical body and the mind but you cant clone the spirit/soul of that person. Therefor its impossible. The only reason they were able to clone that sheep was because animals dont have spirits. If animals had spirits then the process wouldnt work.
I think our cloning concepts usually come from Hollywood sci-fi movies.
The process of cloning that they did with sheeps is a bit different than you imagine.
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