What do you think of cloning?

[YC Bearzie]

I think any type of cloning is wrong. It just should not be done.

[Tapies27]

I don't think I'd mind if they cloned individual body parts. I only get "nervous" when they want to clone people.

[Carl Rapel]

I think cloning will become possible but wrong.
God breathes life into man so anything that is created by man that is consider life will be of Satan.

[Morning Dove]

I said 'no' to cloning. I would have to do more research on the stem cell thing before deciding on that, though. I don't know enough about it, yet.

[Utah Knight]

cloneing is wrong in my opinion

[Richard]

I forgot what I voted. If I was to vote again, I would put "What's the Point?"

[LisaWolf]

I think, it's ok for medical research. But cloning to make people, isn't right.

[Hisbygrace]

I think cloning is another of mans ways to play god.

[Jatopian]

To all those who say that we cannot play God, I quote myself:Why not?! We were made in His image, we are to be like His avatar, so why would you say that? And why would you prejudicially assume that the scientists wish to be God?You people realize that Scripture is the moral standard, but if Scripture is silent on the matter, here is what you should do:
1. Apply the Golden Rule.
2. If that fails, consider whether it violates someone's rights.
3. If 1 & 2 fail, admit that it may be OK, state your opinion and logic, and stop trying to impose your values on others.

[God Child]

i don't think the antichrist will be the devil influencing a man, but rather the devil therfore i think the antichrist will be a clone...unless the antichrists being "risen" is the devil posessing a dead body. in my opinion cloning is not a good idea, i do think it is a mockery of God.

[MQTA]

So we're just doing His work? That's why people call it God Given Talent and God Given Brains and God Given Gifts?

[one way]

I don't think cloning should be allowed.

[freyajem]

So we're just doing His work? That's why people call it God Given Talent and God Given Brains and God Given Gifts?

Cloning, stem cell usage, are not right. Stem cells are exactly what they sound like, the very essence of life and they are found in the place which is the center of our very essence of ourselves, our soul, in the stem of the brain. Only God can do that right.

[Bullheadangel811]

i think cloning should stay illegal because who are we to play God.

[Beastt]

i think cloning should stay illegal because who are we to play God.
If we can "play God", then what does that offer for the credibility of God?

Simply one more time religion has attempted to stand in the way of scientific progress. And the real reason at the political level of the church is obvious; ever religious belief which falls to science means fewer followers, less money and reduced political influence.

[JacqS]

I think this is one of those questions that you could ask a hundred people and get a hundred different reasons for their answer!!

I dont think cloning to the point of 'growing' another human being to provide "spare parts" be that blood products/kidney, whatever, is right, any more than using IVF to genetically select an embryo that is a perfect match for an ailing sibling is right (a great read on this "My Sisters Keeper" by Jodi Picoult..but get your box of tissues handy! :cry: )

However, to simply clone a persons own basic cells for medical reasons, I dont think is the same thing? There was, after all, a time when people thought that to have a blood transfusion of someone else's blood was an horrific thought?!

and, as has been posted by several others, perhaps this is a discovery that God has allowed mankind to make...perhaps its one that Satan has inspired to make mankind think they don't need God to solve our problems! :confused:

All we can do, is pray that 'the powers that be' who are entrusted by our societies to make the decisions on these things set the ethical lines clearly and broadly!? :groupray:

[Alive again]

interesting topic! I was pleased to hear the recent news of developing stem cell lines from skin! Much better in my opinion than using aborted fetal tissue!

[mycatspice]

I don't think that cloning is playing God. Oh brother. I think we should borrow some Catholic relics and clone Jesus first. Just kidding! It was a joke! (besides, I don't believe in those things) ^_^

My opinion is that if we can clone with a good sucess rate then sign me up! I could always use a little extra help now and then. Who wants body parts? I want a clone!!! :clap:

[By the way, I have little to no research on this subject matter. Please reguard this post as a "hypothetical situation"] ^_^

[Hark3N]

I did not vote because I'm very devided on this subject. As a scientist I support scientific advancement. As a Christian I understand the complexities involved in making such decisions.

I do believe that this can be used as a tool to bring glory to God. When you clone something, you just make a copy of that "thing". That "body" won't have life until God grants it that life. God is the only one that can create life.

What I think we should really be afraid of, is the people trying to create life from dead matter. That endeavour is currently taking place, but so far they've had no success.

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[RedneckAngel]

"Human Cloning Is People Tryin To Be God It's So Wrong The Word Wrong Aint Even Wrong Enouph To Describe It"


:mad:U Gotta Love This Angel:mad:

[Beastt]

"Human Cloning Is People Tryin To Be God It's So Wrong The Word Wrong Aint Even Wrong Enouph To Describe It"


:mad:U Gotta Love This Angel:mad:
Cloning is nothing more than utilizing biological material to produce more biological material. While it's true that this kind of research continues to draw the mysticism away from life itself, such is the march of knowledge and to forego knowledge for the sake of holding on to outdated, falsified beliefs is what the church has always attempted to do. This is little different from the "heresy" of a spherical earth and a heliocentric universe. They both turned out to be the case but only after a huge struggle with the church who tried to block such knowledge as it was believed to violate scripture. Their concerns were unwarranted. It really doesn't matter how often science shows scripture to be wrong; those who want to believe in God will continue to believe in God even after man has succeeded in creating life from non-biological materials. And as always, many will be shouting that we're playing God. Perhaps they should consider that their Bible tells them we were made in God's image. If we're only following in his footsteps, he should be flattered and they should be quiet.

[MQTA]

Cloning is nothing more than utilizing biological material to produce more biological material.

Maybe we should learn a lesson from a story from a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. If you make too many clones, they'll Attack.

[Beastt]

Maybe we should learn a lesson from a story from a long time ago, in a galaxy far far away. If you make too many clones, they'll Attack.
It would seem there is a lot of truth in this. If you clone people, you get people. And if you have enough people, there will always be a war.

;)

[MQTA]

It would seem there is a lot of truth in this. If you clone people, you get people. And if you have enough people, there will always be a war.

;)

When I heard of Cloning years ago, I imagined it like that movie with Michael Keaton. *Poof* there ya go, a duplicate of yourself, same age, same appearance, just like Identical Twins.

But to have to raise one, like Boba Fett, from infancy... I wouldn't subject my genes to that, again. Going through that once was enough.

The fantasy of having an exact duplicate is nice though. But that fantasy is usually a slave/master fantasy. You just want someone else to go to work for you while you go off dating.

[Hark3N]

The fantasy of having an exact duplicate is nice though. But that fantasy is usually a slave/master fantasy. You just want someone else to go to work for you while you go off dating.

That would be nice. Lying on the beach while someone else does all your work. It is actually possible here in South Africa. All you have to do is work for the goverment;)

[stray bullet]

Well, the poll doesn't seem to specify what type of cloning, therapeutic or reproductive.

There is nothing wrong with taking cells from an adult and using them to produce new tissues. There is nothing wrong with using stem cells from non-human embryos or adults.

Killing human embryos for stem cell research is wrong, as it is deterimental to human dignity and pointless. The same research could be done on other vertebrates.

[Beastt]

Well, the poll doesn't seem to specify what type of cloning, therapeutic or reproductive.

There is nothing wrong with taking cells from an adult and using them to produce new tissues. There is nothing wrong with using stem cells from non-human embryos or adults.

Killing human embryos for stem cell research is wrong, as it is deterimental to human dignity and pointless. The same research could be done on other vertebrates.
I agree that killing human embryos for any kind of research is wrong. But I'd have to say the same for the killing of any sentient being. Research is among the most important qualities of human existence. But if we allow research to become more important than a recognition of the right to life, we've learned nothing worth knowing.

[stray bullet]

I agree that killing human embryos for any kind of research is wrong. But I'd have to say the same for the killing of any sentient being. Research is among the most important qualities of human existence. But if we allow research to become more important than a recognition of the right to life, we've learned nothing worth knowing.

Research wouldn't be sacrificed one bit by banning the use of human embryos for researching experiments, while allowing the use of vertebrate embryos. So, nothing is being lost.

[Jatopian]

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[Beastt]

Research wouldn't be sacrificed one bit by banning the use of human embryos for researching experiments, while allowing the use of vertebrate embryos. So, nothing is being lost.
You've attempted to qualify non-human vertebrate embryos as "nothing". That's more than a little insensitive.

[stray bullet]

You've attempted to qualify non-human vertebrate embryos as "nothing". That's more than a little insensitive.

Admittedly, it would be the loss of a potentially tasty animal.

[freyajem]

Cloning is nothing more than utilizing biological material to produce more biological material. While it's true that this kind of research continues to draw the mysticism away from life itself, such is the march of knowledge and to forego knowledge for the sake of holding on to outdated, falsified beliefs is what the church has always attempted to do. This is little different from the "heresy" of a spherical earth and a heliocentric universe. They both turned out to be the case but only after a huge struggle with the church who tried to block such knowledge as it was believed to violate scripture. Their concerns were unwarranted. It really doesn't matter how often science shows scripture to be wrong; those who want to believe in God will continue to believe in God even after man has succeeded in creating life from non-biological materials. And as always, many will be shouting that we're playing God. Perhaps they should consider that their Bible tells them we were made in God's image. If we're only following in his footsteps, he should be flattered and they should be quiet.

For Scientists and Atheists, of course embryos and genes and body parts are just so much biological material with no great value. So destruction of such is immaterial.

For Christians who believe we have a soul, that embryo is a very tiny life. Just imagine beastt, the embryo that was you had nothing added to it. It just grew and grew and grew until it became the visible you. Everything that was there was you in that tiny embryo. And then once you were born, you just grew and grew and grew to you now and you don't much resemble that baby but it is you. All that was required was growth. If someone had decided to get rid of that particular embryo, you wouldn't exist to type here.

And stem cells are the very essence of it all. I'm ready:wave:

[Yitzchak]

How is cloning any different than twins or triplets which occur naturally? Also haven;t they been cloning animals for years? What really scares me is when they start using techniques similar to the hybrid seeds on humans. Splicing DNA and mixing species........

[freyajem]

How is cloning any different than twins or triplets which occur naturally? Also haven;t they been cloning animals for years? What really scares me is when they start using techniques similar to the hybrid seeds on humans. Splicing DNA and mixing species........

That's the difference. Cloning doesn't happen "naturally"!:angel:

[stray bullet]

How is cloning any different than twins or triplets which occur naturally? Also haven;t they been cloning animals for years? What really scares me is when they start using techniques similar to the hybrid seeds on humans. Splicing DNA and mixing species........

That's not really cloning in the same sense. Twins at least have DNA that has not been altered or aged. Producing a clone of a person would shorten their lifespan, as DNA is 'timed'. Not only that, but the techniques used to clone put the DNA at risk of damage, which can cause defects...

Cloning is about as ethical and deliberately creating a person to die early.

[imuriente]

Sometimes I wish I could clone myself...especially when all my kids are home at the same time!
The cloning issue is a very delicate one. We have successfully cloned plants. Science will always try to define, explain, create, defy. That is just the human nature, since we are created in the image of God. We have that desire inside of us of creating, and succeeding in what we do. All things in extreme are not good. If there was the possibility of creating a balance and keep ground rules, well, then cloning would be acceptable in other areas. But what would be the purpose of cloning a human being? In the outside, and genetically, the human would look just like it's matriarc (original). But the spirit would have to be put there by The Creator (God). No cloning would be able to put a soul into a body. Anyway, what's the point of cloning a human being since our surroundings have a lot to do with our characters and who we are. Every experience we go through in life could never, ever be able to be reproduced in the same order we lived it, or intensity. Years, and years of infinite experiences where other people, who will not be cloned simultaneously, could never, ever be reproduced, or cloned. So, if the whole point of cloning is to create another person just like "awesome me", then that would just not be possible. So what's the point? If there is another reason why we should clone humans I'd like to know.

[Daisysqueaks]

Also haven;t they been cloning animals for years? ........

I'm pretty sure that they (people that clone animals) have only been "successful" in getting a clone to "take"~that is live longer than gestation/pregnancy~a few times. Not only that Dolly the sheep died because she had "mutations" after living just a few years. Man we sure are doing some pretty stupid things as a society aren't we?

[rosenherman]

Clones have all been sickly, not exactly successful in my book.

[MQTA]

Sometimes I wish I could clone myself...especially when all my kids are home at the same time!
The cloning issue is a very delicate one. We have successfully cloned plants. Science will always try to define, explain, create, defy. That is just the human nature, since we are created in the image of God. We have that desire inside of us of creating, and succeeding in what we do. All things in extreme are not good. If there was the possibility of creating a balance and keep ground rules, well, then cloning would be acceptable in other areas. But what would be the purpose of cloning a human being? In the outside, and genetically, the human would look just like it's matriarc (original). But the spirit would have to be put there by The Creator (God). No cloning would be able to put a soul into a body. Anyway, what's the point of cloning a human being since our surroundings have a lot to do with our characters and who we are. Every experience we go through in life could never, ever be able to be reproduced in the same order we lived it, or intensity. Years, and years of infinite experiences where other people, who will not be cloned simultaneously, could never, ever be reproduced, or cloned. So, if the whole point of cloning is to create another person just like "awesome me", then that would just not be possible. So what's the point? If there is another reason why we should clone humans I'd like to know.

In the immortal words from the 1960s....


There's nothing you can do that can't be done.


Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.

There's nothing you can make that can't be made.

No one you can save that can't be saved.

There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.

:groupray:
It's easy.

[paxi1334]

clone away, clone away,
this is what i say
clone away, clone all day

[Beastt]

For Scientists and Atheists, of course embryos and genes and body parts are just so much biological material with no great value. So destruction of such is immaterial.
You are purely mistaken, I assure you. I hold a great reverence for life and for research which leads to a greater understanding of life and how to preserve it. Cloning is not the destruction of a life, it is the creation of one through the biological material already available. If you really want to see an example of the kind of reverence for life demonstrated by those against cloning, you need look no further then comments such as;
Admittedly, it would be the loss of a potentially tasty animal.
That's an example of what a life means to some people. It's just another meal on the table. But human life they see as something altogether different. There is simply no evidence existing at any level that humans are other than animals. It's a monstrous double-standard to believe that while human life is sacred and to be held at the top of reverence, animal life is but a burger on your plate. If you believe animals are only here to feed your gullet, then that is your belief and you are welcome to it. But please don't attempt to tell others they don't value life simply because they don't subscribe to that double-standard.

For Christians who believe we have a soul, that embryo is a very tiny life. Just imagine beastt, the embryo that was you had nothing added to it. It just grew and grew and grew until it became the visible you. Everything that was there was you in that tiny embryo. And then once you were born, you just grew and grew and grew to you now and you don't much resemble that baby but it is you. All that was required was growth. If someone had decided to get rid of that particular embryo, you wouldn't exist to type here.
If this is actually true then I challenge you to take any embryo, add nothing to it and see if it grows into a life or whether it dies. Hopefully, you know enough not to have to subject any tiny embryo to premature death so I ask that you perform such an experiement mentally and not actually kill something just to prove what we already know. Life does not perpetuate on it's own. It requires physical substances in order to continue. And current research is coming ever closer to proving that it needs nothing else. No spirit, no God and no government-enforced restriction of the study of life.

And stem cells are the very essence of it all. I'm ready:wave:
Life exists in forms well less developed than stem cells. They are not the essence of life. The essence of life lies within chemistry. But this shouldn't be seen as taking anything away from sentience. As sentient beings, we can open ourselves to seeing the value of other sentient beings or we can choose to close our minds and conceal our capacity for compassion. Cloning and stem cell research, despite what you may have heard, is not a practice of destroying life. It is the practice and study of promoting life and learning how life works, what the limitations of life are, and in that knowledge, practices which lead only to the prolonging and preservation of that which you claim to hold so highly. This isn't the first time medicine and biology have clashed with the ideas of the church and been proclaimed as an attempt to "play God". Yet, once the studies of life lead to methods of prolonging not only life, but the quality of life, few from the church are willing to slander it.

[HisLilyWhitePrincess]

The only cloning I think would be ok would be cloning like human organs for transplant, but not a whole human. God created us special

[Our Sacred Honor]

cloning in general is wrong...were trying to play god and we should not go to that place....

[Beastt]

cloning in general is wrong...were trying to play god and we should not go to that place....
Has the fact that surgery, medicine and an understanding of the universe were all said to be man playing God as well, been completely lost on you?

If it is playing God then, in my opinion, so much the better. Look at the state of the world today; starvation, disease, poverty, crime, Christians supporting and contributing to the invasion and over-throw of a sovereign country... whoever is playing God right now is doing a terrible job. I doubt we could do any worse.

[Our Sacred Honor]

fixing people up and creating whole new people are two complete diff things...and id like to see you try to fix all those problems..

[Beastt]

fixing people up and creating whole new people are two complete diff things...and id like to see you try to fix all those problems..
Surgery and understanding the nature of the universe are also two different things. In fact, they are vastly more diverse than cloning and surgery.

When people say that they think we're "playing God", they're suggesting that there are areas of knowledge we are better off without. While the thing which distinguishes man from the other animals more than any other trait is his intellect, there are always those who assume it is disrespectful to God to utilize that intellect when it comes to learning anything which might disrupt their blissful ignorance.

I hold the opinion that most Christians who hold this belief are simply afraid that what we will learn through these processes will provide further evidence that God doesn't exist and that the faith they hold so dear is rooted in false and flawed doctrines. Science has a way of doing this as the guess-work of the Bible's authors becomes ever more exposed in light of factual, working explanations offered by science. The Bible constructed a geocentric universe and a stationary Earth. Science showed us otherwise. The Bible had planets and stars forming within a day. Science showed us that this simply doesn't happen. The Bible tells of a planet formed complete with water, but without an atmosphere. Science has shown us that this doesn't and can't happen. There are dozens of instances where science has shown us the fraudulent nature of the Bible yet Christians simply revise their translation of what the Bible says and continue in their blind belief. So what are they so worried about when it comes to cloning? Perhaps it worries you that if man can create a whole human, it will undermine the idea that humans have souls. I once talked about this with a Christian friend and he had decided that cloned humans wouldn't have souls. Perhaps he's right. And perhaps this will eventually lead to the discovery that humans born of natural conception don't have souls either. Does that frighten you?

Suggesting that we're "playing God" insinuates that we are becoming omnipotent. Do you really think that's possible? All of this fear of scientific discovery is really nothing more than promotion of ignorance. And ignorance has never helped solve any problem.

[Redeemed_Warrior]

Cloning is wrong plain,flat, and simple, Anything that requires that we violate one of Gods Commandmest or the great Commandment is wrong, you are all smarter than me probabaly and even i can easily see that,

Thou Shall Not Kill (What Happens to the Emybro?)
Love one another (Surely murdering an un born is not love?)

Saying the emybro has no spirit is just an attempt to justify murder, "it like saying i only killed the man because i did not like his shoes". its a lame try to ease Guilt :("

I know that people on both sides are good people, buts it easier for us humans to seek what God says and believe that,

Besides should this thread be in the debate area?:confused:

[Beastt]

Cloning is wrong plain,flat, and simple, Anything that requires that we violate one of Gods Commandmest or the great Commandment is wrong, you are all smarter than me probabaly and even i can easily see that,

Thou Shall Not Kill (What Happens to the Emybro?)
Love one another (Surely murdering an un born is not love?)
Cloning doesn't require killing anything. It is the nurturing of a life from the basic biological materials. Do you think it kills a chick when you eat an unfertilized egg? Human females are born with all of the egg cells they will ever have. Most expel one or several each month of their reproductive lives. is that killing or a natural process? If you take that same egg, remove it's genetic material and replace it with the genetic material from a donor, you can clone the donor. Cloning is about life, not death.

As aside from all that, you keep mixing "killing", (what 2 of the 3 versions of the ten commandments use), with "murder", which is a legal term defined not by God, but by men. If you wish to take a strong stand on an issue, you should probably research the issue first to assure that you have a proper understanding of the topic. Getting your information from the church or members of the church who already have an agenda isn't likely to provide you with a clear and unbiased understanding.

Saying the emybro has no spirit is just an attempt to justify murder, "it like saying i only killed the man because i did not like his shoes2. its a lame try to ease Guilt :("

I know that people on both sides are good people, buts it easier for us humans to seek what God says and believe that,

Besides should this thread be in the debate area?:confused:
Based on your nick I think I can assure you that I abhor killing to a level you would never allow yourself to indentify with. I'm completely against killing but very much for the progression of science -- right over the top of the church, if ignorance among Christians makes that necessary.

[Redeemed_Warrior]

I hold the opinion that most Christians who hold this belief are simply afraid that what we will learn through these processes will provide further evidence that God doesn't exist and that the faith they hold so dear is rooted in false and flawed doctrines. Science has a way of doing this as the guess-work of the Bible's authors becomes ever more exposed in light of factual, working explanations offered by science. The Bible constructed a geocentric universe and a stationary Earth. Science showed us otherwise. The Bible had planets and stars forming within a day. Science showed us that this simply doesn't happen. The Bible tells of a planet formed complete with water, but without an atmosphere. Science has shown us that this doesn't and can't happen. There are dozens of instances where science has shown us the fraudulent nature of the Bible yet Christians simply revise their translation of what the Bible says and continue in their blind belief. So what are they so worried about when it comes to cloning? Perhaps it worries you that if man can create a whole human, it will undermine the idea that humans have souls. I once talked about this with a Christian friend and he had decided that cloned humans wouldn't have souls. Perhaps he's right. And perhaps this will eventually lead to the discovery that humans born of natural conception don't have souls either. Does that frighten you?

Suggesting that we're "playing God" insinuates that we are becoming omnipotent. Do you really think that's possible? All of this fear of scientific discovery is really nothing more than promotion of ignorance. And ignorance has never helped solve any problem.

Or is it you fear that there is proof he does exist, Man can only learn so much, you are trying to disprove God by quoteing the findings of men, thats like trying to disprove that you exist by talking to a Slug, "well the Slug says he does not exist! o well he is just a flawed doctrine then"

[Beastt]

Or is it you fear that there is proof he does exist, Man can only learn so much, you are trying to disprove God by quoteing the findings of men, thats like trying to disprove that you exist by talking to a Slug, "well the Slug says he does not exist! o well he is just a flawed doctrine then"
If that were the case, why would I be supporting the kind of research which might help us to make such a discovery?

[Redeemed_Warrior]

i will on debate with you on this! the truth needs not to be defended, only acknowledged

[Hobo[IG leader]]

Cloning involves the killing of embryos. Only God has the right to take/give life. This is the simplest reason why it is clearly wrong; It involves murder!!! I would have said the issue was very black and white.

[Shubunkin]

All cloning is wrong because mankind cannot handle the bad consequences that will ultimately result. Well, it is just plain wrong to start with, too.

[Defiant]

Cloning humans --Wrong!

Cloning animals? I'm not sure I have a problem with it. However, I do think pet owners need to see a therapist for wanting to spend 50 grand to clone their dead pet! Psycho!!

[Beastt]

']Cloning involves the killing of embryos.
No it doesn't. I don't know where you've come up with this kind of misinformation but you can't use an embryo in cloning.

']Only God has the right to take/give life.
No life is taken in cloning. Biological material is simply introduced to other biological material, and nutured into a live being.

']This is the simplest reason why it is clearly wrong; It involves murder!!! I would have said the issue was very black and white.
Cloning does not involve murder. I don't know where this kind of fallacious information comes from, though I fully suspect it is born and propagated of the church. Before you form an opinion about something and begin posting that opinion, you might at least take a moment to assure that you have some idea what you're talking about.

Human cloning would take four basic steps.

1. A donor cell is obtained. (No killing involved)

2. An unfertilized egg is obtained. (Unfertilized eggs will never divide or grow into an embryo because they're unfertilized. They are no different than the eggs every woman in her reproductive years loses monthly)

3. The genetic material is removed from the unfertilized egg and replaced by the genetic material from the donor cell. (Still no killing involved)

4. The egg is chemically/electrically stimulated and then implanted into a surrogate mother.


Cloning is not about killing and no killing is involved. It is about life. If your church is telling you otherwise the church is lying! You should be angry with the church, not with science.

Look it up yourself.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/cloning.htm

[Beastt]

All cloning is wrong because mankind cannot handle the bad consequences that will ultimately result. Well, it is just plain wrong to start with, too.
What "bad consequences" do you think will ultimately result?

Nothing is "just plain wrong" unless you have reasons that it's wrong. What are your reasons?

[Beastt]

Cloning humans --Wrong!
It is not enough to simply say that it's wrong. You must have reasons for believing it is wrong. What are your reasons?

[PaladinGirl]

Human cloning is most definitely wrong. I'm not so sure about animal cloning though I am against it.

[Avatar]

Clones are people, two! :)

[Beastt]

Human cloning is most definitely wrong. I'm not so sure about animal cloning though I am against it.
Why do you find it sufficient simply to proclaim that it's wrong and provide no reasons to support your position?

[Beastt]

i will on debate with you on this! the truth needs not to be defended, only acknowledged
Then perhaps you should acknowledge it. Cloning does not required the death of anything. It is the production of life from pre-existing biological materials. That's all.

[Defiant]

It is not enough to simply say that it's wrong. You must have reasons for believing it is wrong. What are your reasons?

Um . . . I was answering a poll question, not attempting to engage in a debate in a non-debate thread. Perhaps we can chat in P&M?

[Beastt]

Um . . . I was answering a poll question, not attempting to engage in a debate in a non-debate thread. Perhaps we can chat in P&M?
Certainly.

Sorry, forgot I wasn't in a debate section.

[Hobo[IG leader]]

Beastt embryos certainly ARE killed during human and animal cloning. Do you have any idea what the success rate of a healthy clone is?? Less than one in 100. It took around 277 attempts to create Dolly the sheep. That's a lot of dead embryos. (The embryos here are the fertilised eggs of the clone)

check it out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/human_cloning/anti/anti_clone_abortion.shtml
(This site also has many anti (and pro) arguements for/against cloning)

Cloning may not be about killing buuuuut killing is invariably involved. Even the successful clones have health problems such as arthritis which cause them to die quickly.

[Beastt]

']Beastt embryos certainly ARE killed during human and animal cloning. Do you have any idea what the success rate of a healthy clone is?? Less than one in 100. It took around 277 attempts to create Dolly the sheep. That's a lot of dead embryos. (The embryos here are the fertilised eggs of the clone)

check it out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/ethics/human_cloning/anti/anti_clone_abortion.shtml
(This site also has many anti (and pro) arguements for/against cloning)

Cloning may not be about killing buuuuut killing is invariably involved. Even the successful clones have health problems such as arthritis which cause them to die quickly.
This represents a bit of a distortion. While it is true that many of the fertilized embryos don't thrive, the same is true of more natural methods. Do you think that every pregnancy goes full term? Do you think that every fertilized egg advances far enough that the mother-to-be is even aware that she's pregnant before the pregnancy terminates? The embryos you're talking about would likely never even be fertilized if not for the attempts at cloning. Saying that a failed attempt at nurturing life from the pre-existing biological materials is killing is synonymous with claiming that a failed attempt at saving a life through surgery is killing. Killing is the taking of a life, (intentionally for the scope of this discussion). Murder is the taking of a life, in violation of man's existing laws, within their scope of jurisdiction.

If you plant the seed of a flower and the plant fails to flourish and dies, are you guilty of killing the plant or simply of failing at your attempts to bring a seed to life? If you attempt to graft the limb of one tree onto the branch of another and the graft fails, are you guilty of killing the limb? Like it or not, grafting tree limbs is a form of cloning. You can't kill what isn't alive and once it's alive, if it dies on its own, that's not killing nor is it murder. These terms are being used in such a distorted and dishonest way that if we applied the same concepts to the medical practice, every doctor ever to lose a patient would be convicted of murder and imprisoned.

Cloning is about the careful nuturing of biological material into a living, breathing being. The fact that some of the attempts fail is no more murder than is an unintentional miscarraige. If you want to protect life, why not protest war rather than attempting to stifle scientific knowledge through misplaced attempts at nobility?

[Hobo[IG leader]]

To intentionally orchestrate something that will invariably result in the death of hundreds is as good as killing!! If it was 100% safe with a 100% success rate then i guess I'd just have to move onto the 'playing God' angle of it.

The success rate of 'regular' conception is so much better than that of cloning, and because the parent's aren't accepting that life will be lost it is very different (hm that sounds bad. Bottom line is there is a massive differenece between cloning and sex. One is the method of God and the other is human creation.)

[Beastt]

']To intentionally orchestrate something that will invariably result in the death of hundreds is as good as killing!! If it was 100% safe with a 100% success rate then i guess I'd just have to move onto the 'playing God' angle of it.

The success rate of 'regular' conception is so much better than that of cloning, and because the parent's aren't accepting that life will be lost it is very different (hm that sounds bad. Bottom line is there is a massive differenece between cloning and sex. One is the method of God and the other is human creation.)
Nothing in science, medicine or even diet is 100% safe. We live in the real world and the real world always presents a level of risk. When a young couple decides to raise a family, there is the risk that the female may not survive child birth. Steps have been taken which are largely successful to drastically reduce the number who die giving birth, but it still happens. And the success we've had in reducing the deaths during childbirth didn't come about by proclaiming procreation to be murder, discontinuing the practice and deeming it illegal. It came about by continuing to reproduce and to learn what causes the complications leading to death, how to avoid them and how to best handle them when they arise.

[Silent*Tears]

No.....human cloning is wrong!

[jacko50]

i personally believe that stem cell cloning for medical ailments is ok. it has many reasons for it and so few against. yes, embryos die, but 1 dies every month anyway unless the egg is fertilised, so you might as well use it in medical research.

but as for a full human being cloned... that would be just wrong, mainly because its unnatural. however IVF treatment is unnatural and is being used.

[Mr.Cheese]

This world doesn't even know what to do with one of me.

[PeculiarEagle]

I think cloning for medical reasons is fine as long as it is not embryonic stem cell. That just opens the door to too many possibilities, i.e. cloning an embryo and "pinching" off certain appendages to grow body parts for medical use.

Also, I don't think full human cloning is right...made-to-order children...no thanks! However, I think using frozen leftover embryos in infertile couples is fine as it is preserving life and giving something to that person who otherwise would not get to experience it.

Just my 2¢ ;)

[Jatopian]

yes, embryos die, but 1 dies every month anyway unless the egg is fertilised, so you might as well use it in medical research.Unfertilized eggs are not embryos.

[lgintrnj]

I dont think God likes people playing god. I dont believe Hes happy about it

[GodFlute2]

God made us all different for a reason!

[crusader4peace]

i don't agree to cloning. its like taking the role of God and creating people.

[firestar]

I don't approve of cloning of any kind.

[handmaiden97]

I'm not sure, I dont think we truly have the wisdom to play God.

[SanctiSpiritus]

Playing God is wrong.

[Godslilgurlalways]

I feel that yes, cloning is wrong I feel that man is trying to have the power and control of creating look alikes and trying to re reated parts of the body. I feel created oneself is an act of God and feel when people are cloning they are trying to do God's work for him, or trying to be God themselves. I feel if i have a problem like for medical reasons I would pray that God would give me what I need:) I feel clones aren't even people they are look alikes all twins are clones but not all clones are twins:) I feel they aren't people b/c they don't have a soul or spirit that I know of b/c they weren't even created by God so I don't even think they would be judged or would they?!? I don't think so b/c he didn't creatd them man did:)

[Beastt]

It should probably be noted that this same claim of attempting to "play God" has been used against a multitude of medical break-throughs which have been of amazing assistance in beating some very devastating diseases.

The same argument has also been used against technological break-throughs.

Cloning is research and from research comes knowledge. Without knowledge there is little which man can control. Medical cures don't come from ignorance, they come from research and knowledge.

[romans324]

Clone is wrong, we wanted to find every way possible to be God yet we can not love each. Why not try to solve that problem first!

[Gukkor]

Stem cells only. I'm unsure of my stance on stem cells that have divided so few times, and even besides that, embryonic stem cells are no longer needed since we can get the cells from the umbilical cord as well.

[Followers4christ]

I believe human cloning is wrong! God Bless

[PixieSunbelle]

I believe human cloning is wrong! God Bless
what about organ cloning for medical purposes such as transplants?

[Concetta]

There have been great strides in medical research due to stem cell research and cloning

[Zalorticus]

i think cloning is okay for only serious ailments like losing an appendage or something like that. if scientists make whole new people who can think for themselves, something bad could happen. it wont the end of the world (it ends with the glorious appearing we know), but bad things can happen from the clones. they could start another world war and many people and animals could die.

[Beastt]

i think cloning is okay for only serious ailments like losing an appendage or something like that. if scientists make whole new people who can think for themselves, something bad could happen. it wont the end of the world (it ends with the glorious appearing we know), but bad things can happen from the clones. they could start another world war and many people and animals could die.
Can you name a technological advancement which didn't allow for "something bad" to happen? Any tool or knowledge can be used for good or bad and the difference is almost always just a matter of perspective. If you place a moratorium on the advancement of knowledge because something bad might happen, we'd still be living in caves and trying to cure disease by grunting at spirits.

[ItalianAngel]

I believe cloning is wrong.

[tred]

I believe cloning is wrong.

[Lake]

chose the 2nd choice

[VictoryNGrace]

I know alot of people wouldnt agree but I think stem cell is ok for research and saveing lives but to clone no I dont think its fair.. I mean I am all for saving lives and people who get sick or are born sick can get the help they need from research and science.. But I do agree each person should draw the line of what their beliefs are and go from there..

[AnimalMother]

cloning is ok for me, i guess.