Your opinion on Kol Nidre

[Sephania]

What do you as a Messianic Believer think about the Kol Nidre? Should it be a part of Messianic service on Yom Kippur or are there too many negative things attatched to it that we should rid ourselves of this tradition?

Many misunderstand and call it a "license to lie" and use this in justifying all anti-Semetic behavior.

So what are your thoughts on this day?

[ShirChadash]

I was a bit concerned when I first heard of Kol Nidre so I had looked it up on MyJewishLearning.com (another really good link on Judaism -- I really appreciate this site).

'All vows,' the opening words of the declaration, largely in Aramaic (javascript:showILG('Aramaic.htm');), at the beginning of the evening service on Yom Kippur in which all vows that will be uttered in the coming year are declared null and void. The declaration applies only to religious vows and has no effect on oaths taken in a court of law. If a person makes a vow, say, to deny himself wine for a certain period, perhaps as a, penance, he must keep his promise, which is thought of as a promise to God. But this applies only if the vow is uttered with full intent. A person's declaration beforehand that all vows he will take in the year ahead are null and void means that any vow he will make is held to be without sufficient intention and hence without binding power.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/holidays/Yom_Kippur/Overview_Yom_Kippur_Community/Prayer_Services/Kol_Nidre.htm

I think that as believers, we should expect persecution and sooner or later a time when we will be forced to choose for the G-d of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Yeshua... or against Him. Whenever that might occur, I would hope I could choose Him no matter what. But... I can see where an annulment of any religious vows for the next year would be comforting, especially to those who have, as a people, many times endured the force and pressure to "convert" and renounce their faith. Just my thoughts. I know if my family were forced to choose Islam or death and I made the sad, sad choice to outwardly "convert", my heart would never be behind it nonetheless.

Hm. ~Z~ pondering...

[ShirChadash]

For anyne who might be interested:

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=340&letter=K

lots can be found here on Kol Nidre.

[ShirChadash]

Wowsa -- and you can hear the Kol Nidre here:

http://jnul.huji.ac.il/dl/music/holydays/holydays_eng.htm

[Sephania]

Thanks Z for your imput. :)

[Sephania]

Here is one I found that is "Messianic"

Regarding all our improper vows, bonds, resolutions, promises, obligations and oaths to G-d which we have vowed, sworn and bound ourselves from tonight on this Day of Atonement until the next Day of Atonement: May G-d cause all things to work together for our good, even these vows to G-d, as we repent of having made them. By His Mercy they shall be absolved, released, annulled, made void, and of none effect : they shall not be binding nor shall they have any power . Our vows shall not be vows, our bonds shall not be bonds, and our oaths not be oaths. Now may I take to heart Yeshua's words, and let my "Yes" be "yes," and my "No," "No."

[Sephania]

This is not the one used at my synagogue, but similar, ours did not look to anul ahead but looked for our repentance of those made between last years' Yom Kippur and this one. I concludes with Yeshua's words which should help anyone from making any vows.

[Henaynei]

the original Kol Nidre annuled vows in the past - not the future.... even still - I strongly disagree and resist those who use the Kol Nidre to say Jewish folk are not to be trusted.

What they don't realize is that unlike most non-Jews, Judaism holds vows, even slip-of-the-tongue vows, as binding. Judaism holds vows SO seriously that only HaShem can release them (unless you are a woman - your father or husband can annul your vow - but only as soon as he hears of it, if he delays it stands). In addition the Kol Nidre only releases thost vows between man and HaShem - vows between one man and another are NOT included here.

[Sephania]

Yes, I know, but I was just posting that some others don't see it that way, just one more thing to hold against Jews. :( See this site for more info on how some Rabbicnc authoritys opposed this and also how on non Jewish sites how it is seen wrongly. http://www.jewishsf.com/bk020913/sfcyber.shtml

I am not sure what you mean though about the "origianal" every place I have found that has a full Kol Nidre translation is speaking of from this YK to next Yom Kippur, not the past. However I did copy down from the Machzor tonight we used last night and this is the version:


All vows, bonds, promises, obligations and oaths between ourselves and G-d which we have sworn and taken upon ourselves from last Yom Hakippurim to this day of atonements, may G-d work them together for good, as we repent of having made them. Yeshua said to us, Do not swear at all. Neither by heaven for it is G-ds throne, nor by the earth for it is His footstool, nor by Jerusalem, as it is the city of the great King, But let your 'yes' be 'yes', and your 'no' be 'no'. For whatsoever is more than these is from the evil one.

I like this one, it keeps tradition but in the interpretation of Yeshua. :)