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Bryan Lim
24th September 2004, 08:14 AM
Hey guys, I need your help. If u refer to Exodus 22:29, it says 'U must give me the firstborn of your sons'. Does that mean God wants your son to be sacrificed (I dunno, probably burn them in the altar or something)? Also, refer to Exodus 34: 19-20. I think it says the same thing. I want your opinion, guys.
Also, refer to Exodus 32: 27. It says God wants us to kill our own friends and neighbours. What do u think? Don't just read my thread and leave. Say something. Please. I appreaciate your input very much.

vinc
24th September 2004, 10:46 AM
God does not mean that Parents should kill their firstborns as a human sacrifice to Him.

God wants to say in Exodus 22:29 that He would want every firstborn of our Sons to be dedicated by Parents to serve Him in ministry. This is a good thing to do. Hannah dedicated Samuel to God during young age and Samuel became the Holy Prophet of Israel and blessed many with his life. Since we are living in the New Testament times, i think God will not take this as a sin if we don't give our firstborn son to ministry. As New Testament christians we should be in His service all the time and also encourage all our children to be in His service too. Dedicating one's life to God (either as disciple, good witness or in ministry) is the best thing to do!

In Exodus Chapter 32:27, Moses speaks on behalf of God to the people. They were indulging in calf-idolatry and other sins which were an abomination in the sight of God. Hence, they had to face the wrath of God. If you read the whole chapter, you will understand why God had to say in that way. This was a prophecy from God through Moses for that time only and for those people only. And Moses was magnanimous enough to pray for the atonement of those people before God to seek pardon from Him.

As far as Exodus 34:19-20 is concerned, God would have meant animal sacrifices. Coz in the Old Testament days, since Lord Jesus Christ was not yet crucified for human sins, God The Father allowed His children to conduct animal sacrifices as atonement for their sins. This God allowed for saving His people from His wrath. But, after Lord Jesus Christ came and lived a sinless life and was crucified and shed His blood, we need not conduct animal sacrifices too. Lord Jesus Christ was the all-in-all sacrifice for the atonement of the Sins of all human beings once and for all.

No further human or animal sacrifices are wanted by God now.

Hope that helps in anyway.

JMO, Lord bless you,
Vincent

BornAgainChristian
25th September 2004, 08:33 AM
Hey guys, I need your help. If u refer to Exodus 22:29, it says 'U must give me the firstborn of your sons'. Does that mean God wants your son to be sacrificed (I dunno, probably burn them in the altar or something)? Also, refer to Exodus 34: 19-20. I think it says the same thing. I want your opinion, guys.
Also, refer to Exodus 32: 27. It says God wants us to kill our own friends and neighbours. What do u think? Don't just read my thread and leave. Say something. Please. I appreaciate your input very much.

No need to worry! :wave: Jesus established a new covenent, which blew the old one away. The laws that God told acient Isreal back in the Old Testiment are no more. So don't worry.

Bryan Lim
25th September 2004, 09:00 AM
No need to worry! :wave: Jesus established a new covenent, which blew the old one away. The laws that God told acient Isreal back in the Old Testiment are no more. So don't worry.
So, you are saying that God did indeed tell us to sacrifice our children? *very very shocked*

BornAgainChristian
25th September 2004, 09:21 AM
So, you are saying that God did indeed tell us to sacrifice our children? *very very shocked*

No, I'm not. God said that you need to give your firstborn to him. That meant that you needed to give your child to him. Have them serve in the temple their whole lives. That doesn't mean sacrifice.

Also, a new covenet is established, so there's no need to worry about it.

Caelum
26th September 2004, 05:03 AM
Jesus was the only human sacrifice required by God for the sake of humanity. Tragic yet amazing.

herev
26th September 2004, 06:39 AM
Alright, look--this may sound bad, and it may be more complicated than it looks, but overall, it makes sense--the firstborn was always God's--period. It was the law of sacrifice after the plague of the firstborns prior to leaving Egypt. Yes, God actually was saying that the firstborn should be "returned" to God---BUT, then he gave a way to REDEEM that one--by offering a sacrifice at the altar of God. This language already should be somewhat familiar to Christians. Remember when Jesus was just a lad, his momma and daddy went to the temple and sacrificed a pair of turtledoves or two young pigeons. (Luke 2:22) It had to do with offerings to God. The firstborn must belong to God since God saved all the firstborns in the passover. But becasue God did not want anyone to sacrifice their child (as forbidden in scripture), he allowed for another sacrifice to redeem the firstborn from the fire. (there's a lot of Christian theology in there.)

twistedsketch
26th September 2004, 04:22 PM
No, I'm not. God said that you need to give your firstborn to him. That meant that you needed to give your child to him. Have them serve in the temple their whole lives. That doesn't mean sacrifice.


Yeah. God punished Isreal severely for sacrificing their children to false gods.

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind." - Jeremiah 7:31

BornAgainChristian
27th September 2004, 09:46 PM
Yeah. God punished Isreal severely for sacrificing their children to false gods.

"They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire-something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind." - Jeremiah 7:31

True. While Isreal got God's favor, they also got his wrath.

black-sheep
28th September 2004, 12:01 AM
:clap: Jesus died to save US:prayer:

i believe he did this so we wouldnt have to sacrifice or kill anymore ! :bow:

Friendship
29th September 2004, 01:34 AM
Get real the blessing were bestowed on the first born son and it says that shalt not delay to offer not sacrifice, it also says fruits and liquors so how would you sacrifice those and how many people after this was written do you read about sacrificing their first born sons????? God did expect however for a persons faith in him to be so strong that if he told them to do so they would not question him. After Abraham had Isaac God told Abraham to sacrafice Isaac so what did Abraham do he put Isaac on a alter and was about to stab him when God stopped him and he sacrificed a Lamb instead, this was a test of faith and Abraham had so much faith in God that he did not even question why, because God had already made promises to Abraham about Isaac so Abraham knew this would come to pass some how so he just did as told and Abraham was the Father of many Nations and Greatly Blessed by God but if it were so that the first born was suppose to be sacrificed then Abraham would have done that first thing would he not as well as many other people in the bible would have done but they didnt so obviously that is not what it meant.