Some MORE this and thats...

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Well, I just wanted to say to you all, that in my search for truth, between the catholics and you guys (the messianics) I feel more closer to you guys than the catholics. I also feel there is more truth here than with th church(nothing against the church). So, I have not made a completely final decesion, but I am moving closer to it. I feel the torah calling out to me, and until the church can give me great responces as to why the law is gone, I will have to stay here. So, I put up my invisible baseball cap, and I put on my grandfathers kippa and say to you all: SHALOM!

Now, in other news, I have some MORE questions....Do we celebrate X-mas and easter? if so aren't they on different days? If not, are they considered to be like Holloween, and to not be celebrated at all?

Shalom my hopefully new brothers and sisters in yeshua!
-Nossa o Manco

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Oh something I forgot to mention before...tomarrow (Friday September 24th) will be my 3 year aniversary for being diagnosed with Luekemia. The reason my family brings it up is to give it a better meaning than "Oh Jason(my real name) was diagnosed with a horrible disease and is still enduring it." So, I dunno, had to mention it!

Shalom!
-Nossa

[insaneinthebrain]

Now, in other news, I have some MORE questions....Do we celebrate X-mas and easter? if so aren't they on different days? If not, are they considered to be like Holloween, and to not be celebrated at all?
Some do, but most on this forum don't. I, personally, prefer to celebrate the birth and resurrection as part of the Holy Days that were going on when they originally occured; Sukkot and Pesach(aka the Feast of Tabernacles and Passover).

[Katydid]

Same here, when we KNOW that Yeshua was crucified on Passover, and we KNOW that he rose on First Fruits, it makes more sense to remember it then. Also We have a pretty good idea that He was born around Sukkot, so that one makes more sense as well. Especially when you start looking into what those are about and the ways to celebrate.

[Katydid]

Ok I'm sorry, but I wanted to ask. Are you in remission? or are you in treatment? Either way I will be praying for you.

[Bon]

Hi Noosa,

I pray that you triumph over Leukemia, and that Yahweh will grant you a clean bill of health in His good time.

As for Xmas and Easter, these festivals are steeped in pagan traditions and are not biblical commands of Yahweh.

Therefore, many or most Messianics will not participate in these practices, considered "traditions of men".

As mentioned by the others so far....Sukkot and Passover are biblical commands and are observed by Messianic believers or at the very least, we are learning how to keep these feasts.

As you can well imagine, we are all at different places on our spiritual path.

Shabbat Shalom from Bon.

[Henaynei]

Oh something I forgot to mention before...tomarrow (Friday September 24th) will be my 3 year aniversary for being diagnosed with Luekemia. The reason my family brings it up is to give it a better meaning than "Oh Jason(my real name) was diagnosed with a horrible disease and is still enduring it." So, I dunno, had to mention it!

Shalom!
-NossaBlessed be He who brought you to this understanding (Messianic) and Blessed be He who has kept you through this trail with leukemia, may it be His will to soon restore you to health as He gives you strength to endure the journey!!

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Ok I'm sorry, but I wanted to ask. Are you in remission? or are you in treatment? Either way I will be praying for you.


Thanks, and yes to both! I went into remission in december of '02, just a few months after diagnosis(I was lucky), and becuase the disease is not centralized like a tumor, but spread in the blood, I have to stay on treatment for a certain ammount of time due to my age and sex. SO because I was 17 at diagnosis(the max age cutoff) and I am a boy, I have the longest treatment regiment, and so I am still on it :( I finish on december 25!!! So yeah, I am alomst there, Ican't wait! And I wanted to say thanks to all who said they would pray, you guys don't have to.

Anyways about X-mas and easter, I understand that they have pagan backgrounds and are traditions of men, but shouldn't the birth and resurection of yeshua be remebered? I feel they should, but I agree that they aren't on the same days as the pagan equivilants are. I mean in the new testament you know the resurection is like a few days after passover, or around that area. Oh well *shrugs*

Thanks again and Shalom!
-Nossa

[Buccaneer]

Glad to hear youre doing so good man. I believe not your doctors alone are responcible for your fortune; that is your faith.

[Henaynei]

Thanks, and yes to both! I went into remission in december of '02, just a few months after diagnosis(I was lucky), and becuase the disease is not centralized like a tumor, but spread in the blood, I have to stay on treatment for a certain ammount of time due to my age and sex. SO because I was 17 at diagnosis(the max age cutoff) and I am a boy, I have the longest treatment regiment, and so I am still on it :( I finish on december 25!!! So yeah, I am alomst there, Ican't wait! And I wanted to say thanks to all who said they would pray, you guys don't have to. Barukh HaShem!!

Anyways about X-mas and easter, I understand that they have pagan backgrounds and are traditions of men, but shouldn't the birth and resurection of yeshua be remebered? I feel they should, but I agree that they aren't on the same days as the pagan equivilants are. I mean in the new testament you know the resurection is like a few days after passover, or around that area. Oh well *shrugs* We have not forgotten them - but we celebrate them within their Jewish context and timetable. Yeshua was sacrificed on Pesakh and arose on HaBikkurim (First Fruits). He was born at Sukkot, the festival of Booths - coming up in just 10 days....... Most MJs do not make the huge show that christianity does for these events, after all they (His sacrifice and birth) are not commanded (by HaShem) festivals. But we DO definitely remember them :) Traditions vary as to how..... but doing so in the same or similar way that the Christians do is usually not done......

[Nossa-the-Lame]

Ah ok. I see what you are saying. Allrighty then, well now all I need to do is learn when all the holidays are, and when all the feasts are so that I can get one step ahead of "the game." Thanks again!

Shalom achi!
-nossa

[visionary]

There are so many websites out there that will help you get up to speed on the biblical holidays of god which I call the spiritual feast of God. Let me begin with this one.

http://www.yrm.org/biblical_feasts.htm

http://www.rabbiyeshua.com/articles/index.htm

http://www.beitlechem.net/index.htm

Chapter 23 of Leviticus covers all seven feasts.

Leviticus 23:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'These are my appointed feasts, the appointed feasts of the LORD , which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies.

The Lord’s Sabbath

3 'There are six days when you may work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, a day of sacred assembly. You are not to do any work; wherever you live, it is a Sabbath to the LORD .

The Passover and Unleavened Bread

4 'These are the LORD's appointed feasts, the sacred assemblies you are to proclaim at their appointed times: 5 The LORD's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month. 6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins; for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast. 7 On the first day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work. 8 For seven days present an offering made to the LORD by fire. And on the seventh day hold a sacred assembly and do no regular work.

Firstfruits

9 The LORD said to Moses, 10 Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'When you enter the land I am going to give you and you reap its harvest, bring to the priest a sheaf of the first grain you harvest. 11 He is to wave the sheaf before the LORD so it will be accepted on your behalf; the priest is to wave it on the day after the Sabbath. 12 On the day you wave the sheaf, you must sacrifice as a burnt offering to the LORD a lamb a year old without defect, 13 together with its grain offering of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour mixed with oil-an offering made to the LORD by fire, a pleasing aroma-and its drink offering of a quarter of a hin of wine. 14 You must not eat any bread, or roasted or new grain, until the very day you bring this offering to your God. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live.



Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)

15 'From the day after the Sabbath, the day you brought the sheaf of the wave offering, count off seven full weeks. 16 Count off fifty days up to the day after the seventh Sabbath, and then present an offering of new grain to the LORD .17 From wherever you live, bring two loaves made of two-tenths of an ephah of fine flour, baked with yeast, as a wave offering of firstfruits to the LORD . 18 Present with this bread seven male lambs, each a year old and without defect, one young bull and two rams. They will be a burnt offering to the LORD , together with their grain offerings and drink offerings and offering made by fire, an aroma pleasing to the LORD . 19 Then sacrifice one male goat for a sin offering and two lambs, each a year old, for a fellowship offering. 20 The priest is to wave the two lambs before the LORD as a wave offering, together with the bread of the firstfruits. They are a sacred offering to the LORD for the priest. 21 On that same day you are to proclaim a sacred assembly and do no regular work. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 22 When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.'

Feast of Trumpets

3 The LORD said to Moses, 24 "Say to the Israelites: 'On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts. 25 Do no regular work, but present an offering made to the LORD by fire.

Day of Atonement

26 The LORD said to Moses, 27 "The tenth day of this seventh month is the Day of Atonement. Hold a sacred assembly and deny yourselves, and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. 28 Do no work on that day, because it is the Day of Atonement, when atonement is made for you before the LORD your God. 29 Anyone who does not deny himself on that day must be cut off from his people. 30 I will destroy from among his people anyone who does any work on that day. 31 You shall do no work at all. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live. 32 It is a sabbath of rest for you, and you must deny yourselves. From the evening of the ninth day of the month until the following evening you are to observe your sabbath."

Feast of Tabernacles

33 The LORD said to Moses, 34 "Say to the Israelites: 'On the fifteenth day of the seventh month the LORD's Feast of Tabernacles begins, and it lasts for seven days. 35 The first day is a sacred assembly; do no regular work. 36 For seven days present offerings made to the LORD by fire, and on the eighth day hold a sacred assembly and present an offering made to the LORD by fire. It is the closing assembly; do no regular work. 37 'These are the LORD's appointed feasts, which you are to proclaim as sacred assemblies for bringing offerings made to the LORD by fire-he burnt offerings and grain offerings, sacrifices and drink offerings required for each day. 38 These offerings are in addition to those for the LORD's Sabbaths and in addition to your gifts and whatever you have vowed and all the freewill offerings you give to the LORD . 39 So beginning with the fifteenth day of the seventh month, after you have gathered the crops of the land, celebrate the festival to the LORD for seven days; the first day is a day of rest, and the eighth day also is a day of rest. 40 On the first day you are to take choice fruit from the trees, and palm fronds, leafy branches and poplars, and rejoice before the LORD your God for seven days. 41 Celebrate this as a festival to the LORD for seven days each year. This is to be a lasting ordinance for the generations to come; celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 Live in booths for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in booths 43 so your descendants will know that I had the Israelites live in booths when I brought them out of Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

44 So Moses announced to the Israelites the appointed feasts of the LORD .