Need help with Holy days and dietary law

[Inlove]

Hey I need help with finding when the Holy days are and what days they are on. Also with kosher food I don't no what food is clean and which is not. I would ask someone put there are no Messianic are people that follow all of G-d's Law. If you could post a website or tell me that would be great.

[Henaynei]

may I suggest http://www.hebcal.com/hebcal/
For a straight workable hebrew calendar it is hard to beat - just put in your zip code and it will pull up a calendar for the current month that includes candle lighting times and all - once the calendar is up you can click on "events" and it will list all the "events of the month" - the ones in blue are the things you are looking for. It is also searchable by month - gregorain or hebrew.

As to kosher foods - if you could tell us a bit more about your goal or purpose we might be able to provide with that for which you are looking :)

[BenTsion]

Inlove,
If you're looking for the general principles of clean/unclean foods, then Leviticus 11 is where you should start your research.

If you want something more specific (something like... are 'Pringle's chips' clean or unclean?), then I recommend you to take a look at the following website:

http://www.christianwalks.org/miscwriters/CUPL.html

Have fun!

Ben Tsion

[iitb]

www.jewfaq.org (http://www.jewfaq.org) is also a good site. Not messianic, but it can answer the questions you've presented. :)

[Henaynei]

Inlove,
If you're looking for the general principles of clean/unclean foods, then Leviticus 11 is where you should start your research.

If you want something more specific (something like... are 'Pringle's chips' clean or unclean?), then I recommend you to take a look at the following website:

http://www.christianwalks.org/miscwriters/CUPL.html

Have fun!

Ben TsionI went to the site christianwalks got their list from. That is a handy list for some purposes - but not for kashrut. It lists Swift's brown-n-serve beef sausages as clean - but they are not kosher.

The beef was likely clean prior to slaughter but did not get a shkitah and therefore is not kosher :)

This is the list TheThadman was looking for - it is a christian listing based on their understanding of Lev 11 without any guidance from Judaism.

Just because a food starts out clean does not mean it is kosher. So, it would depend on the purposes of the OP as to whether this list would meet her needs :)

[Epiphany]

Inlove,
If you're looking for the general principles of clean/unclean foods, then Leviticus 11 is where you should start your research.

If you want something more specific (something like... are 'Pringle's chips' clean or unclean?), then I recommend you to take a look at the following website:

http://www.christianwalks.org/miscwriters/CUPL.html

Have fun!

Ben Tsion
To Life Immortal

While converting to Conservative Judaism so long ago, I went to classes at synagogue. The kosher rules were discussed. I remember it clearly because the rabbi had a good sense of humour about it.

Basically no pork, and you can only eat mammals with split hoofs that chew the cud (ruminants) cows, sheep, goats. etc.

Even if your cat claws up your favourite couch, you can't eat him. Cats are predators, not kosher.

No birds of prey (aw, no more owl stew and hawk casserole!) lol!

No insects or animals eaten alive (somebody better tell those people on Fear Factor that)

Fish have to have scales, no seafood (oysters, clams, shrimp and 'crawdads')
There is a store in Overbrook that sell 'kosher lobster'. It's artificial lobster made from fish. Most people didn't buy it, go figure.

Animals are to be slaughtered by a shochet. He uses a very sharp knife with no nicks in the blade. He recites a blessing and cuts the animal's throat so it doesn't suffer.

You can't eat milk and meat at the same meal. People have four sets of dishes: one milk and meat set for regular use and another milk and meat set for Pesach.

My solution to keeping kosher was to become a vegetarian. I couldn't afford to buy the dishes and cookware, plus I was living with my Apostolic mother. Being vegetarian made it much easier to be observant.

To this day, I don't eat pork nor eat much seafood. Being Greek Orthodox, there are certain foods we don't eat at certain times, but that's another post, lol!

Peace and Long Life
~*~ Epiphany ~*~

[Oblio]

To this day, I don't eat pork nor eat much seafood. Being Greek Orthodox, there are certain foods we don't eat at certain times, but that's another post, lol!


Do you eat shellfish while fasting now that you are an Orthodox Christian ?; if so, was it hard to make the 'switch' ?

n.b. - Orthodox Christians often eat shellfish (technically, seafood without a backbone)during fast days.

[Epiphany]

Do you eat shellfish while fasting now that you are an Orthodox Christian ?; if so, was it hard to make the 'switch' ?

n.b. - Orthodox Christians often eat shellfish (technically, seafood without a backbone)during fast days.
To Life Immortal

I'm still learning about the fasting rules for Wednesday and Friday. I'm looking forward to Lent this year; it will be my first full fasting period. I don't each much seafood; in fact, I'm going back to becoming vegetarian again. Being a vegetarian makes observing easier.

I haven't eaten pork or beef for a very long time. Only meats I eat now are poultry and fish. Once in a while, I'll eat lamb.

During Lent, I'll be vegan. no animals products at all. Thank God for soy beans!

Peace and Long Life
~*~ Epiphany ~*~

[cleopa_of_emmaus]

If you want to learn "Kosher", go to this site:

http://www.ou.org/kosher/default.htm

God Bless,

~cleopa

[BenTsion]

Even if your cat claws up your favourite couch, you can't eat him. Cats are predators, not kosher.

Aargh! You cruel cruel thing! Who in the right mind would want to eat such adorable creatures? :cry:

[Epiphany]

Aargh! You cruel cruel thing! Who in the right mind would want to eat such adorable creatures? :cry:
To Life Immortal

ROTFLMBO!!!!! ^_^

Peace and Long Life
~*~ Epiphany ~*~

[Yeshuaismine1985]

Thanks for the web site it really helps me we've been trying to eat just clean but we didn't know what was and what wasn't. This will help not only me but my congregation as well. We have alot of new people coming in every week. Thanks again.

[simchat_torah]

In Judaism there are 3 areas of Halacha that are viewed as the most difficult to uphold. If you can keep these 3 areas of halachic lifestyle, then you can keep most anything.

1) the Sabbath mitzvot
2) the Dietary mitzvot
3) Family purity laws

When one is begining to walk in light of the Judaic lifestyle they are encouraged to take it at a pace in which they won't get "burnt out".

A few examples would be...

Dietary:
Start by refraining from eating pork and shellfish. Overtime one can begin adding other rulings such as finding only "Kosher" certified beef, etc. However, one must have a beginning point. To take it all upon oneself from the 'get go' would be rather devestating and nearly impossible.

Shabbat:
Start by making sure your work schedule doesn't lap over sundown to sundown (friday night to saturday night). From there begin adding other observances such as candle lighting, eating the challah and drinking the kiddush.

Family Purity:
A good place to start here is to refrain from having sex with your spouse during the one week Niddah (monthly cycle). From there begin adding more observances as you are able to handle them.

This is the reccomendation of the Rabbis and it makes perfect sense. We as humans can easily be overwhelmed. These general guidelines are just that... guidelines. Your observance level and rate at which you follow the mitzvot is entirely between you and HaShem.

Shalom!
Yafet.

[Christy4Christ]

Hi guys,

I am a Catholic so I have never had to live under any of the dietary laws that Jewish people have. I have a question. Why do you all feel you have to do that? I thought Jesus changed all of that. I am no expert and I might be wrong but what about these passages? Since I don't really know anything about what Messianic Jewish people practice, I do have a question. Do you all read and follow the New Testament? If so there is some scripture here that talks about food.


Acts 10:9-15
The next day, as they were on their journey and coming near the city, Peter went up on the housetop to pray, about the sixth hour. And he became hungry and desired something to eat; but while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance and saw the heaven opened, and something descending, like a great sheet, let down by four corners upon the earth. In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air. And there came a voice to him, "Rise, Peter; kill and eat." But Peter said, "No, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean." And the voice came to him again a second time, "What God has cleansed, you must not call common."


1 Cor 10:25-27
Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. For "the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience.

Do some of you also strive to keep all 613 ( I think that is the right number) other statutes as well? That must be really hard. I am glad I am not under that law! Anyway just incase none of you knew that Jesus said those things about food, maybe I was of some help.

[simchat_torah]

Shalom Christy,

These are excellent questions. I'll try to make this brief, but I can further explain if you'd like. Essentially, Acts 10 does not refer what so ever to food. The vision is symbollic. Had the vision concerned the eating of unclean food, surely this would have been a major revelation! Yet Peter never once discussed this hereafter. When he described his vision to others he proclaimed the symbollic meaning of G-d's provision now being extended to the gentiles. If you'd like to see a rather in depth study on Acts 10, take a look here: http://www.christianforums.com/t36715

As far as I Cor. 10... This is in reference to specific days of year were dedicated to idols (other dieties). The food sold in the markets on these days were often foods that had previously been 'sacraficed' to these idols, or offered before these idols of wood and stone. Paul makes a clear case that there is no such thing as "other G-ds"... that there is but one and only one G-d over all. You see, as instructed in the Torah (first 5 books of the bible) the Jews were not to enter into association with other dieties. Paul declares there there is no such thing as other dieties, there there is only one L-rd and one G-d.

Thus, we can freely eat food at the marketplace as we see fit. We know that idols are nothing but wood and stone. However, the passage has nothing to do with clean vs. unclean meats, etc.

I hope this helps.

Finally, yes... we do strive to uphold the 613 mitzvot (laws/commandments). We feel this is the holy lifestyle that G-d wants us to live before him. We do not find salvation from living according to this pattern. But just as you may veiw going to church on sunday is holy, we view other patterns and actions that we practice are holy as we dedicate them unto G-d.

If you have any questions what so ever, I am willing to discuss this further.

Shalom,
yafet.

[The Thadman]

Why do you all feel you have to do that? I thought Jesus changed all of that.

Jesus never changed anything. He came to teach the FULL Law of Moses.

Matthew 5:17
17 “Don’t think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill (literally teach to the fullest, the full Torah).
18 For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the Torah; until all things are accomplished.
19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Jesus taught that not a single part of the Law of Moses would disappear.

Matthew 7:23
21 Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will tell me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?’
23 Then I will tell them, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work lawlessness.’

In Greek, the word is "anomos" litterally, "Against/without the Law" the Law being the Law of Moses, or Torah. Those who teach against the Law of Moses, or don't follow it seem to be at risk here.

Now look at 2nd Corinthians:

2nd Corinthians
14 Don’t be unequally yoked with unbelievers, for what fellowship have righteousness and lawlessness? Or what communion has light with darkness?
15 What agreement has Christ with Belial? Or what portion has a believer with an unbeliever?

Righteousness is diametrically opposed to lawlessness, so we can see where Jesus said that unless our righteousness (observance of the Torah) exceeds that of the Pharisees (who practiced lawlessness due to their oral traditions), we cannot enter the kingdom of heaven.

Additionally, If one reads through the New Testament, one will also realize that Jesus did not teach anything more than that which was already in the Torah, and constantly told people to uphold God's Law:

Matthew 8:4; Mark 1:44; Luke 5:14
“See you say nothing to anybody, but go show yourself to the priest, and offer for your cleansing the things which Moses commanded, for a testimony to them.”

Luke 10
25 Behold, a certain lawyer stood up and tested him, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
26 He said to him, “What is written in the Torah? How do you read it?”

etc.

Paul also followed the Torah, and encouraged others to do so, making sacrifices at the Temple long after Jesus had left. For example:

Acts 21
26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day, purified himself and went with them into the temple, declaring the fulfillment of the days of purification, until the offering was offered for every one of them.

This was the vow of the Nazarite, as described in Numbers 6.

Additionally, following the Law, even with Gentiles, seems to be God's plan from the start:

Isaiah 56
1 Thus says Yahweh, Keep you justice, and do righteousness; for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast; who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the foreigner, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying, Yahweh will surely separate me from his people; neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus says Yahweh of the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and hold fast my covenant:
5 To them will I give in my house and within my walls a memorial and a name better than of sons and of daughters; I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the foreigners who join themselves to Yahweh, to minister to him, and to love the name of Yahweh, to be his servants, everyone who keeps the Sabbath from profaning it, and holds fast my covenant;
7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted on my altar; for my house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples.
8 The Lord Yahweh, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says, Yet will I gather others to him, besides his own who are gathered.

Exodus 12
49 One law shall be to him who is born at home, and to the stranger who lives as a foreigner among you.”

Leviticus 24
22 You shall have one law, for the foreigner as well as the native-born: for I am Yahweh your God.’

Numbers 15
16 One law and one ordinance shall be for you, and for the stranger who lives as a foreigner with you.

etc.

This, in short, is why I choose to follow God's Torah in the very depths of my heart as a Messianic.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

[Henaynei]

Hi guys,

I am a Catholic so I have never had to live under any of the dietary laws that Jewish people have. I have a question. Why do you all feel you have to do that? I thought Jesus changed all of that. I am no expert and I might be wrong but what about these passages? Since I don't really know anything about what Messianic Jewish people practice, I do have a question. Do you all read and follow the New Testament? If so there is some scripture here that talks about food. Christy4Christ, I really appreciate your questions :)

I think you can find a clear and readable explaination of Peter's Vision from a Messianic perspective here. (http://www.christianforums.com/t60538)


Do some of you also strive to keep all 613 ( I think that is the right number) other statutes as well? That must be really hard. I am glad I am not under that law! Anyway just incase none of you knew that Jesus said those things about food, maybe I was of some help. Yes, the numbr is 613 - although without the Temple and a theocracy in Israel a great many of them are not do-able for the present. And no, it is not really hard :) There are quite a lot more laws in the US constitution and the various State constitutions and statutes - but no one thinks them "hard to keep" :) And there is a *lot* more grace with G-d for imperfection than with the legal system - Yeshua died for us - ever seen a Judge willing to go to prison for a felon??

The big difference between what most people believe folks who "obey the Law" and what we *really know and believe* is that THE LAW NEVER SAVES - NEVER DID - NEVER WILL. Unlike the various "laws of the land" mandated by our courts and legislatures, we obey G-d's Law as just service of obedience BECAUSE WE LOVE HIM :)
Yochanan(John) 14:15 "If you love Me, keep my commandments." (Yeshua's own words)

And because we love Him we seek to live as He and His disciples did, avoiding sin as often as we are able, using His defination of sin.
Yochanan Alef(1John) 3:4 "......, sin is transgression of Torah (the Law)"