Who's going to Hell?

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I got me a question: Does it say anyplace in the bible that if you do not join the church(be it catholic, MJ, Baptist, Anglican, etc.) that you will go to hell? Cause there are those groups of people who think that if you are not in their church you are going to hell, and I wanted to know if this was rooted in the bible, or if it was "divinely inspired" or just used as a pretense to scare people in the church.

Thanks and Shalom!

[Katydid]

I've never heard a biblical passage to support something like that. Of course there is the passage in Hebrews 10:25

Not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more, as you see the day drawing near.

But as far as I can see that is the only one that even remotely conveys that message.

[Bon]

Yes katydid,

I would add to that, assemble together in TRUTH, and not with those who teach lies and decieve us with false doctrines.

I'm sure that Yahweh would not want us to be a part of these things just for the sake of fellowshiping with others because that is what is suggested.

Unless, of course, you are there to speak the truth of Yahweh's word.

Shalom from Bon

[mjterry87]

Yeshua made the requirement to get into heaven very clear... and regardless of denomination/affiliation, if you do what is required, to call upon His Name as Messiah and ask forgiveness of your sin and believe in His resurrection, you will go to heaven.

What about the Jews? In my heart, I believe that they will go to heaven. How about you?

[visionary]

What about the Jews? In my heart, I believe that they will go to heaven. How about you?
Everyone must follow the truth with faith in the graces of God to cover the inadequicies. It is a good think we do not have to judge the heart of man, for we only see the outside and know not the heart, though at times we think we do.

[mjterry87]

But Just because you don't believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, does not mean that you have a bad heart!

[ShirChadash]

MJT, I'm sure I will sound like a broken record ;) but here are a few things I have said here before :


Since salvation in Yeshua opens the door to the path of Life for us, and we know that the path of LIFE is Torah... then how can anyone have Life in Him without living in Torah-obedience? And conversely, do not those Jews who follow the path of Life, to whom the door hasn't been closed in the first place, don't they know Him even if they do not (yet) know His personal name?

We think we believers, Christians, Messianics, etc., have G-d more than the Jews do because we know and recognize Yeshua and they do not recognize Him (yet), but honestly, how can anyone HAVE Yeshua (The WORD G-d gave) much at all as long as they eschew His Torah (The WORD G-d gave)?

**************************************************************
Though many Jews do not recognize Yeshua (yet) as BEING Messiah nevertheless many still do have and try to follow His Torah... so it seems to me that those Jews have LIFE in Yeshua's Torah, for now, and someday Yeshua will reveal Himself as Messiah and they will choose Him then... or not... as everyone else.


Perhaps the real question here is: was the door ever closed to the Jews, so that Yeshua had to open it for them, that they may walk the path of Life? The door was always open to them. Why should we think it is closed since Yeshua came? Did not anyone of Isra'el, before Yeshua, have intimacy with G-d, YHVH, and if anyone did then the path of Life was open to them, nu?

*********************************************************
How is it those Jews are "blind" to Yeshua as Messiah and do not see Him now? It is G-d Himself Who has been keeping most Jews from seeing this truth. G-d Himself has blinded them and has not brought revelation into their hearts, yet, and all for a reason of His own.

Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew... 8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And ears that they should not hear, To this very day."9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to them. 10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see, And bow down their back always." 11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!