Tallit Colors

[P_G]

Sorry to keep wearing everyone out with treads on tallit's.

I guess I should come clean I am having one made for me and I just want this to be exactly right. So I really appreciate everyones input!

Now I have a suggestion that the garment would look good in a dark possibly black base color but I think off white is much better. I have never seen a tallit with the base color of the fabric being black and I some how think that it is just not proper.

Any thoughts?

And also if you could pick ANY blessing or verse for the Atarah what would you choose? I have some thoughts but I am just currious to what others have to say.


Blessings and much Love

PG :wave:

[Shekinah]

I've seen some tallitot samples on the net that look to be made with a black base color, and then the stripes were in a contrasting color, say a maroon, or a wine color. I think tallitot colors are traditional, because the Scriptures do not specify a color. And tradition in the color department seems to be loosening up, because tallitot now seem to be available in a rainbow of colors, leaving it up to the wearer's preference.

And the blessing on my atarah is the traditional one that is said when putting on a talit.

[P_G]

I should also point out that this will be significantly a Messianic garment
there will be no mistaking it when seen.

PG :wave:

[The Thadman]

I don't know about a tallit, but traditional tzitzyot made with black and blue looks wonderful. I think that a tallit made to match would be pretty nifty, too.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

[Henaynei]

Sorry to keep wearing everyone out with treads on tallit's.

I guess I should come clean I am having one made for me and I just want this to be exactly right. So I really appreciate everyones input!

Now I have a suggestion that the garment would look good in a dark possibly black base color but I think off white is much better. I have never seen a tallit with the base color of the fabric being black and I some how think that it is just not proper.

Any thoughts?

And also if you could pick ANY blessing or verse for the Atarah what would you choose? I have some thoughts but I am just currious to what others have to say.


Blessings and much Love

PG :wave: A tallit may be of any color you wish but........

the traditional tallit base color is some shade of white - if you are looking for that "unmistakable" quality then at least semi-traditional might be the way to go... so I agree with you in the color choice.......

for the atara, I figure you already know that the most kosher tallitot have the blessing for donning the tallit - there are also on the internet available lovely ceramic and silver atara'ot....

as for the tzitzit I believe Thadman was referring to the use of either a singel blue or a single black thread in the white threads of the tzitzit to follow the instructions of Torah in the tying - again Jewish tradition uses all white or the now available special tekhelet color for that thread.....

When you say "unmistakeable" I am taking that to mean "by any one who would know and understand what a tallit is and means.......

remember, it MEANS you have accepted the 613 commands of Torah - that is what G-d says it means "that when you look upon them you will remember and do."

Blessings - I know your tallit will grace the Name of HaShem!

[P_G]

A tallit may be of any color you wish but........

the traditional tallit base color is some shade of white - if you are looking for that "unmistakable" quality then at least semi-traditional might be the way to go... so I agree with you in the color choice.......

for the atara, I figure you already know that the most kosher tallitot have the blessing for donning the tallit - there are also on the internet available lovely ceramic and silver atara'ot....

as for the tzitzit I believe Thadman was referring to the use of either a singel blue or a single black thread in the white threads of the tzitzit to follow the instructions of Torah in the tying - again Jewish tradition uses all white or the now available special tekhelet color for that thread.....

When you say "unmistakeable" I am taking that to mean "by any one who would know and understand what a tallit is and means.......

remember, it MEANS you have accepted the 613 commands of Torah - that is what G-d says it means "that when you look upon them you will remember and do."

Blessings - I know your tallit will grace the Name of HaShem!
I want to take a moment to clear something here up a bit.
Though I count myself as a Gentile I am fully Messianic
and do accept the privlage of the 613 mitzphohs.
Though a gentile beleiver is not initially required to hold to the law
it is his privlage to do so. The law does not provide salvation only
Christ can do that. But in walking in the law one does please G-d
and grows closer to Him.

I call myself Gentile because that is what my blood is.
I am not semedic and cannot become so no matter what by matter of
lineage. I am not going to run around looking for that person in my lineage
that was Jewish to show I have a few drops of that precious blood in my veins.

I am however grafted in.
Y'shua's blood is sufficiant for me.
He is my Lord and also my brother.
Yirushalaim is my home or will be eventually
I beleive the Jew to be the chosen people
and the Gentile beleiver to be ones who
Adonai has show much grace and mercy to.

All need the messiah!


Blessings

PG :wave:

[The Thadman]

as for the tzitzit I believe Thadman was referring to the use of either a singel blue or a single black thread in the white threads of the tzitzit to follow the instructions of Torah in the tying - again Jewish tradition uses all white or the now available special tekhelet color for that thread.....

I was talking about a black tassel wrapped in a single blue cord. In other words, everything the same except that the white thread is black.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

[P_G]

I was talking about a black tassel wrapped in a single blue cord. In other words, everything the same except that the white thread is black.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

Is there a talumudic reference for colors other than White and 1 blue on the samash?


PG :wave:

[Henaynei]

I want to take a moment to clear something here up a bit.
Though I count myself as a Gentile, I am fully Messianic
and do accept the privlage of the 613 mitzvahs.
Though a gentile believer is not initially required to hold to the law
it is his privlege to do so. The law does not provide salvation only
[Messiah] can do that. But in walking in the Law one does please G-d
and grows closer to Him.
Omeyn!!!

Dat's kewl!!

As you well know, in this movement such an understanding can never be taken as granted. Kavannah needs confirmation :) Yous got it!!! LOL

[simchat_torah]

I have never seen such beautiful talliyos ever.

http://sofiaclair.com/

I think you will agree. ;)

[Henaynei]

Is there a talumudic reference for colors other than White and 1 blue on the samash?


PG :wave:
No. There are many, many things that are time honored tradition about Tallit design - but only 5 things that are Torah commanded:
1) that the fringes be on the border of your garment V'yikra 15:38
2) that they have one ribbon of Tekhelet (a specific blue) [since the manner of obtaining this blue was lost for a long time in the Dispersion two schools of thought arose: a) use black - showing G-d that we know there should be a ribbon of a different color and want to obey, but can not, and b) all white ribbons because we don't have access to the tekhelet and use only the white - since G-d did not command a color for the other threads the "colorless" color is used: white D'varim 22:12, V'yikra 15:38
3) that they be put on the four corners of a garment D'varim 22:12
4) that the garment and fringes are not of "divers kinds" D'varim 22:11
5) that you look upon them and remember G-d commandments "to do them" V'yikra 15:39-41

[The Thadman]

1) that the fringes be on the border of your garment V'yikra 15:38
2) that they have one ribbon of Tekhelet (a specific blue)

That's debatable. "Tekhleth" can represent a wide range of colors from blue to purple. It's not a specific dye either, as the "blue" extracted from the cerulean muscle can also be an identical purple to the purple which is defined separately in the Torah.


4) that the garment and fringes are not of "divers kinds" D'varim 22:11

Specifically wool and linen combined.

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

[The Thadman]

I have never seen such beautiful talliyos ever.

http://sofiaclair.com/

I think you will agree. ;)

Those are absolutely BEAUTIFUL :-)

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

[simchat_torah]

Yes, I intend to get one someday soon...

[P_G]

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Here is the web site for the charming sister who will make my new talliot

http://www.zipporahsthimble.com/

Best of all I think is that Zippy is Messianic! I spoke with her for 2 hours tonight making sure that all is as I want it.

PG :wave: