My first 'Brethren' meeting!

[Iosias]

On Wednesday I started to attend a Brethren assembly in the UK and I enjoyed it very much :)

[ZiSunka]

Great!

What was the sermon about?

[sunshinejennii]

Cool, I was at a Brethren meeting last Sunday with my Granny. I have to be honest though I can't remember what our sermon was on!:blush: I was poorly and almost asleep.

[@@Paul@@]

What's a Brethren assembly??

It that some KJV-Only classical dispy cult or something? :D

[favored_one]

What's a Brethren assembly??

It that some KJV-Only classical dispy cult or something? :D

I'm curious about the same thing! Is that the Arnold Murray group that uses the Companion Study bible and they are Ultradispensationalist? (still figuring the dispy stuff out! :blush: )

[@@Paul@@]

I'm curious about the same thing! Is that the Arnold Murray group that uses the Companion Study bible and they are Ultradispensationalist? (still figuring the dispy stuff out! :blush: )
nope,, that's a different cult, the one i belong to. ;)

A classical dispy would prefer Scofield over Bullinger. :D

[Iosias]

Great!

What was the sermon about?
It was about prayer :prayer:

[Iosias]

What's a Brethren assembly??

It that some KJV-Only classical dispy cult or something? :D
J N Darby and some others founded a non-conformist movement which came to be known as the Plymouth Brethren. After a number of years it split into the Closed Brethren and Open Brethren. I have begun to attend the latter:

http://www.benshamgospelhall.co.uk/ (http://www.benshamgospelhall.co.uk/)

Most tend to adhere to premillenial dispensationalism although not all are pretrib.

This morning I arose to go for the morning service but unfortunately I missed it in that the bridge I needed to cross was closed and so to get to the assembly would have taken me 35 mins via a detour and I only had 10 mins to get there :doh: ...hence I am now at a university computer centre.

[Iosias]

I'm curious about the same thing! Is that the Arnold Murray group that uses the Companion Study bible and they are Ultradispensationalist? (still figuring the dispy stuff out! :blush: )
No...the Brethren are normal ;)

[Echoes Peak]

Excuse my ignorance, but is this related to the Church of the Brethern in the U.S. or is it completely seperate?

[Iosias]

Excuse my ignorance, but is this related to the Church of the Brethern in the U.S. or is it completely seperate?
Completely separate :) The Plymouth Brethren movement split into the closed brethren and the open brethren. The church I attend is an Open Brethren church.

[Echoes Peak]

Well, see, ya learn a new thing every day. So tell me about the Brethern.....:).

[Iosias]

Well, see, ya learn a new thing every day. So tell me about the Brethern.....:).http://withchrist.org/MJS/pbs.htm although this at times paints a nasty picture which is not widespread.

see also:
http://www.brethrenonline.org/
http://www.brethrenonline.org/faqs/Brethren.htm
http://www.deusvitae.com/faith/denominations/brethrenpage.html

[bleechers]

I was trained/taught in the assemblies. As the SBC drifts farther and farther away from dispensationalism, I long for my roots!

Excellent writers among the assemblies. They have a wonderful Bible conference every year in early July near Chattanooga (TN) at Covenant College (of all places!). Every other Xmas break, they have a hard-core Bible conference (location varies). If you want a dose of some deep Bible study, I highly recommend!

:)

[JM]

Still attending AV?

[UncleRicky]

On Wednesday I started to attend a Brethren assembly in the UK and I enjoyed it very much :)

Greetings AV1611,

I attended a Brethren assembly for many years. If you stick with them, in a few years, you'll know more about Scripture than half the people on this discussion board. And you'll be Right!

Just a little exaggeration there. Nice folks most of them. But I guess you could say that about any group represented here couldn't you?

See ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Brethren ) for more info.

The Open Brethren are sort of half way between "Real Brethren" and strict Baptist. They may even allow musical instruments to be played in the main hall, but probably not during "Breaking of Bread"

The patron saint of the Brethren is John Nelson Darby. If memory serves, he started out studying law, and switched to the clergy. A brilliant man of God, he "Saw the Truth of The One Body" and left the organized church. Other men and women of like mind "Gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus" in the town of Dublin. This is the birth of the Brethren.
The EvangelicalChurch of today owes a huge debt to the early brethren. Writers such as F.W.Grant, Sir Robert Anderson, Thomas Newberry, Samuel Ridout, J.N. Darby, H.A.Ironside, William Kelly, C.I.Scofield, Charles Stanley (1821-1890), and E. Dennett, to name just a few, laid out most of what we now take for granted.
Without these writers, we would be back in the dark ages of church teaching.

The closed or exclusive brethren, where I attended believe that "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst." And nowhere else.
If you aren't with the Brethren, gathered by the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ (Not Baptist, Not Catholic, Not Lutheran, etc. etc.) Christ is not in your midst. Period.

The brethren have experienced many splits or schisms over the past 200 years. Imagine a cookie that has been broken in half. Then imagine that each part of that cookie has been broken again and again until you have about 100 pieces. Visit any one of those pieces and ask them if Christ is in the midst. The answer is Yes! Now, ask them if Christ is in the midst anywhere else? The answer... No!

Anyway AV1611, if you can get past some of their more interesting characteristics, you will find them a very enjoyable and deeply earnest group of solid bible based believers.



Cheers,
Rick



http://unclerickysperigrinations.blogspot.com/

[Iosias]

Still attending AV?

No not any more.

[JPPT1974]

Thanks for the update my friend!:thumbsup:

[JM]

Care to explain?

[Iosias]

Care to explain?

We disagree on more than we agree on.

I am They are
High Calvinist four-point Arminian (they accept OSAS)
Paedobaptist Credobaptist (believers only)
Covenantal Dispensational

So I now attend the Church of England. :)

[JPPT1974]

Thanks for the explanation once again my friend!

[kyzar]

:crossrc: Greetings AV1611,

I attended a Brethren assembly for many years. If you stick with them, in a few years, you'll know more about Scripture than half the people on this discussion board. And you'll be Right!

Just a little exaggeration there. Nice folks most of them. But I guess you could say that about any group represented here couldn't you?

See ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Brethren ) for more info.

The Open Brethren are sort of half way between "Real Brethren" and strict Baptist. They may even allow musical instruments to be played in the main hall, but probably not during "Breaking of Bread"

The patron saint of the Brethren is John Nelson Darby. If memory serves, he started out studying law, and switched to the clergy. A brilliant man of God, he "Saw the Truth of The One Body" and left the organized church. Other men and women of like mind "Gathered in the name of the Lord Jesus" in the town of Dublin. This is the birth of the Brethren.
The EvangelicalChurch of today owes a huge debt to the early brethren. Writers such as F.W.Grant, Sir Robert Anderson, Thomas Newberry, Samuel Ridout, J.N. Darby, H.A.Ironside, William Kelly, C.I.Scofield, Charles Stanley (1821-1890), and E. Dennett, to name just a few, laid out most of what we now take for granted.
Without these writers, we would be back in the dark ages of church teaching.

The closed or exclusive brethren, where I attended believe that "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst." And nowhere else.
If you aren't with the Brethren, gathered by the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus Christ (Not Baptist, Not Catholic, Not Lutheran, etc. etc.) Christ is not in your midst. Period.

The brethren have experienced many splits or schisms over the past 200 years. Imagine a cookie that has been broken in half. Then imagine that each part of that cookie has been broken again and again until you have about 100 pieces. Visit any one of those pieces and ask them if Christ is in the midst. The answer is Yes! Now, ask them if Christ is in the midst anywhere else? The answer... No!

Anyway AV1611, if you can get past some of their more interesting characteristics, you will find them a very enjoyable and deeply earnest group of solid bible based believers.



Cheers,
Rick



http://unclerickysperigrinations.blogspot.com/




Some good points there I do believe...
I have been attending an 'Open' Christian Brethren assembly since I was born... Man was it weird when I went to my now fiances church for the first time (she is 'Reformed')...
We are very very very scripture based... To the extent that in family discussions regarding doctrine etc. if we don't 'agree' with someone we simply say: Chapter and Verse... we take the stance that virtually EVERYTHING has to be back up by a direct bible verse to be preached on, no wishy washy losely held interpretation, or out-of-context verse... After all if it's not in the bible how can you preach it?
(I realise that some 'modern' things arent spoken about directly in the bible, but eperience has taught me that there is a bible verse or passage relating to everything we NEED...)

[Danfrey]

Do the Brethren ladies cover during worship? Just curious, not looking for a debate on the headcover.

[JPPT1974]

Glad that you do follow Scripture
But it's more important to follow the God
Who provides the Scripture

[Danfrey]

Glad that you do follow Scripture
But it's more important to follow the God
Who provides the Scripture

I am not following you.

[UncleRicky]

Glad that you do follow Scripture
But it's more important to follow the God
Who provides the Scripture

Greetings JPPT1874

How does one follow God apart from Scripture?

Cheers,
Rick

[JPPT1974]

Greetings to you my friend
God bless you all
Take care!

[Iosias]

Do the Brethren ladies cover during worship? Just curious, not looking for a debate on the headcover.

Yes they do. (which is Scriptural!)

[UncleRicky]

:crossrc:
We are very very very scripture based...

Oh Yeah. Amen to that.



Still, as I dig into some of the discussion threads in this site, Most posters claim to be "very very very scripture based", yet there are significant disagreements on just about every conceivable doctrine.

It's pretty discouraging when you think about.



Cheers,
Rick

[Danfrey]

Oh Yeah. Amen to that.
Still, as I dig into some of the discussion threads in this site, Most posters claim to be "very very very scripture based", yet there are significant disagreements on just about every conceivable doctrine.
It's pretty discouraging when you think about.
Cheers,
Rick

This brings up a very important point. We all claim to be scripture only and lead by the Holy Spirit. Yet, we come to opposing doctrines. How do we find a common ground? This is where the value lies in early christian writings. What did the guys who lived in the same century as the Apostles and spoke the language think a given verse meant. I am not talking about a single writer, I am speaking of the majority of writers at the time. We have some very good resources that are neglected because often times they cause us to reevaluate our own beliefs.

Are these writings infallible, NO! They only help to check our own interpretation of scriptures. As a friend of mine put it...

Who understands what happened on 9/11 better? The guy who watched it from his apartment window, or the guy who watched on his television in China interpreted into his own language? Think about how much more difficulty is added in when you place the interpretations almost 2000 years apart.