Explanation of events in 70AD from Judaism's perspective

[Linda8]

Hello,

I'd like to know whether the events in 70AD in Jerusalem is taught as part of some earlier prophecy (before 70AD) in Judaism's overall historical teachings.

Was this serious event prophesised by any of the spiritual forefathers of post 70AD Rabbinical Sages or any forerunner to latter day scholars in Judaism?
What were the reasons given by the Jewish prophets for the destruction of Jerusalem and the resulting deaths of thousands?

If this was not studied extensively as part of the writings and teachings of the learned ones in Judaism, could we say that the events in 70AD Jerusalem had nothing at all to do with G-d and his Jewish prophecies?


Shalom

[Hix]

Well the Talmud itself mentions the often abused story of how the people were in something of a slump spiritually comming up to the time, ever since the death of a popular head Rabbi (cant remember the name). And on and off the wool in the temple would not change from red to white, this is seen as because of the peoples lack of observance. Of cource, half of the Jews were in Babylon at the time anyway.

Not much else I know but Shalom and Good luck in your studies!

[Linda8]

Well the Talmud itself mentions the often abused story of how the people were in something of a slump spiritually comming up to the time, ever since the death of a popular head Rabbi (cant remember the name). And on and off the wool in the temple would not change from red to white, this is seen as because of the peoples lack of observance. Of cource, half of the Jews were in Babylon at the time anyway.

Not much else I know but Shalom and Good luck in your studies!
Interesting. So they experienced some changes in Temple events prior to

that year. Is there any scripture in the Tanakh that could relate the wool

issue to any displeasure from G-d?

I'm surprised to hear half of the Jews were in Babylon at that time. Were they not supposed to move home entirely during the return of the exiles centuries earlier? Why would any Jew wish to remain in horrible captivity in Babylon after freedom was given?:confused:

[Henaynei]

I'm surprised to hear half of the Jews were in Babylon at that time. Were they not supposed to move home entirely during the return of the exiles centuries earlier? Why would any Jew wish to remain in horrible captivity in Babylon after freedom was given?:confused:
For many of the same reasons the majority of Jews prefer the Diaspora today :)

[Linda8]

For many of the same reasons the majority of Jews prefer the Diaspora today :)
Well, today is quite different.
G-d limited the years of Babylonian captivity to 70 years, a specific time.
In the period from pre 500BC till 70CE, G-d required all Jews in captivity to return to Israel. G-d commanded all Jews to return to Judea as carried out by the Medo-Persian King.
I believe there is a Law in Torah against disobeying such a command and remaining out of the homeland after such a command is given by G-d.

Daniel was very very eager to go back, as seen in his fervent prayers to G-d
when he wanted to know when captivty would end.

Daniel 9:1-17

[Henaynei]

Well, today is quite different.
G-d limited the years of Babylonian captivity to 70 years, a specific time.
In the period from pre 500BC till 70CE, G-d required all Jews in captivity to return to Israel. G-d commanded all Jews to return to Judea as carried out by the Medo-Persian King.
I believe there is a Law in Torah against disobeying such a command and remaining out of the homeland after such a command is given by G-d.

Daniel was very very eager to go back, as seen in his fervent prayers to G-d
when he wanted to know when captivty would end.

Daniel 9:1-17
Then, as today, there were Jews extremely eager to return to the Land, and made great sacrifices to do so. Then, as today, a great number had business, homes, grandchildren, community relationships, 401K and IRAs that they would loose if they Returned. Their connection to G-d was not as strong as their connection to those things. I dare say that a great many Christians , too, would have a similar trouble should something come down, esp in the US, that required such a choice from them.

It is, after all, historically the human response, the path of comfort rather than strife and conviction.

[Hix]

Interesting. So they experienced some changes in Temple events prior to

that year. Is there any scripture in the Tanakh that could relate the wool

issue to any displeasure from G-d?

Actually the tradition came from Isaiah were it says "though your sins be red as scarlet, I shall wash them white as wool". This was known as the scarlet thread of redemption, every year during the sacrifice they would tie this scarlet thread round the horns of the sacrifice and also one in the temple. At the end of the sacrifice the scarlet thread in the temple would turn white, this was a sign that HaShem had accepted the sacrifice (there were a few other signs as well). The Talmud records that for some 200 years or so preior to the temples detruction the wool would not change on occasion, and finally it came to a complete stop in CE30 roughly 40 years before the temple destruction and was later followed by other signs such as the lot not appearing in the high priests hands.

The Rabbi I mentioned in my last post was called Shimon HaTzaddik, and the Talmud records that under him the people experienced a great spiritual increase, they followed the Torah and he encouraged them to be good to one another and life in general was good. But he died and from then it was a decline right untill CE30 when it hit an all time low (Which Im sure Yeshua noticed as he was alive at the time), the people plundered and fought and argued and killed, saducees and pharisees were bitter rivals etc. So the Talmud records that the people were very unrighteous so HaShem did not change the wool to red. Or so it says :)

About the diaspora, at the time of the Temple being destroyed half the Jews were in Babylon because at that point there was quite a strong rabbinical system in place as well as many Yeshivas and centres of learning.

Shalom and G-d bless!
~Hix~

[Atkin]

Yeshua spoke of impending hardship in his days, but that is open to interpretation.

[Atkin]

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The Rabbi I mentioned in my last post was called Shimon HaTzaddik, and the Talmud records that under him the people experienced a great spiritual increase, they followed the Torah and he encouraged them to be good to one another and life in general was good. But he died and from then it was a decline right untill CE30 when it hit an all time low (Which Im sure Yeshua noticed as he was alive at the time), the people plundered and fought and argued and killed, saducees and pharisees were bitter rivals etc. So the Talmud records that the people were very unrighteous so HaShem did not change the wool to red. Or so it says :)

About the diaspora, at the time of the Temple being destroyed half the Jews were in Babylon because at that point there was quite a strong rabbinical system in place as well as many Yeshivas and centres of learning.

Shalom and G-d bless!
~Hix~
How difficult was it for Jews to adapt to the non-holy Babylonian
environment and simultaneously maintain the close relation with G-d?
It would be very difficult to receive much scriptural inspiration in such
a non Jewish pagan environment especially after G-d himself terminated
the captivity.
Were the yeshivas not in contravention of the command to
return and establish them in Israel after the post Babylonian BC era return?