Questions regarding the Sabbath

[dabney]

Hello:

I am investigating the issue of the 4th Commandment currently. The results may change my life dramatically. My question is this. For those of you who practice the Christian Sabbath (i.e. Reformed Baptists), could you share your experience with me a bit. What do you do? How has it blessed your life etc?? (Please, I do not want to debate the issue. My eyes are red reading both sides of the argument- and I won't make a decision based on experiential comments. I just want to get some feedback from those who practice it.) Many thanks.

[ZiSunka]

It isn't just reformed baptists that practice a sabbath. Lot's of other folks do, too.

Until a few months ago, I practiced sabbath pretty faithfully, and I've got to tell you, I miss it now and can't wait until I can get back to it. People NEED a day of rest every week. I never realized how much we need it until I did it and then stopped doing it. Without a day of rest, all days are just like every other day and you never get refreshed the way the Lord wants you to until you realize that and agree to do it.

[dabney]

Yes, you are right. There are plenty of other Christians who practice it. The Reformed Baptist reference was meant to be an example only. But thank you for sharing your thoughts.

I might add to my first question. How did you break the news to friends and family (unbelievers mostly) that you now were going to keep the Sabbath?

[Gold Dragon]

My eyes are red reading both sides of the argument
Can you more clearly explain what the two sides are that you are considering?

My view is that dedicating a day of rest to God is part of God's design from creation. However, Jesus warned us against the burdens that the Pharisees placed on the backs of Israel regarding how they were to observe the Sabbath. So while I continually strive for and discover ways to observe the Sabbath for my own health and relationship with God and encourage others to find their own way of doing the same, I would never condemn those who do not follow as I do.

[ZiSunka]

I might add to my first question. How did you break the news to friends and family (unbelievers mostly) that you now were going to keep the Sabbath?
I didn't bother breaking any news to them. I just started to do it.

[P_G]

As much as I aprreciate the Pharisitcal references :)

The Scripture is very plain and requires very little inturpertation

Do not work on the Sabbath
Do not cause others to work on the Sabbath

You know what work is
And if you are working on the sabbath you are walking in sin

Same as if you use the L-rds name in vain
Or Lie
Or Steal
Or commit adultery


The blessing of keeping the sabbath is the same sort of blessing one gets from keeping the rest of the commandments. You know that what you are doing is pleasing to your Father in heaven.

Me and Miss Bonnie will not buy nor sell on the sabbath nor will we do work of our labors. We spend time in worship and nap and with each other and know what IT ROCKS!

L'Shona Tov!

Pastor George :wave:

[GreenEyedLady]

PG,
I think that is great. What about if you work for the Lord on the Sabbath? I mean to go around witnessing? Would that be concidered work? My church has a bus route and goes around on Saturdays visiting the families and getting them to go to church.
What do you think?
My husband stepped down from the bus rounte because we never saw each other. Saturdays are our day of rest, we have a nice dinner and we have fun with the kids. It has been wonderful ever since we started doing this.
L~

[dabney]

The two sides are those who believe the 4th commandment applies and those who don’t. Until now I have not, but honestly I did not investigate it fully. I am now and consequently am being won over to the side which holds to a Christian Sabbath. A month ago I would have said “You’re crazy” and so on.



I do not want to do it unless I believe the commandment applies. Doing it because it is profitable and so forth does not interest me currently. There are a lot of things, which are profitable, but this one is different obviously. If I begin keeping it, it will be because it is sin not to do so. There is no way around it. Either it is a command or it is not. (And His commands are not burdensome. I will be gracious to those who do not practice it around me (which would be most of those in my church currently). But I asked someone on Sunday if it is sin for them to break the Sabbath. They answered it was, which I thought was consistant.



But, having said that, I am interested in your keeping of the Sabbath. What do you do? How do you involve the children and so on?

[P_G]

Applies?

Do there seem to be other commandments that you feel don't "apply" to you? This is one of my very biggest hot button issues. Because we think that G-d just doesn't understand or is some how behind the times.

Listen here is the straight scoop. When G-d handed those stone tablets to Moshie in the dessert he KNEW you would post that question on this bulletin board in 2004. Yes it applies or G-d would have said "Except for........"

Yes you need to keep a Sabbath and yes it does apply even to us really sophisticated Modern people.

PG :wave:



The two sides are those who believe the 4th commandment applies and those who don’t. Until now I have not, but honestly I did not investigate it fully. I am now and consequently am being won over to the side which holds to a Christian Sabbath. A month ago I would have said “You’re crazy” and so on.



I do not want to do it unless I believe the commandment applies. Doing it because it is profitable and so forth does not interest me currently. There are a lot of things, which are profitable, but this one is different obviously. If I begin keeping it, it will be because it is sin not to do so. There is no way around it. Either it is a command or it is not. (And His commands are not burdensome. I will be gracious to those who do not practice it around me (which would be most of those in my church currently). But I asked someone on Sunday if it is sin for them to break the Sabbath. They answered it was, which I thought was consistant.



But, having said that, I am interested in your keeping of the Sabbath. What do you do? How do you involve the children and so on?

[P_G]

PG,
I think that is great. What about if you work for the Lord on the Sabbath? I mean to go around witnessing? Would that be concidered work? My church has a bus route and goes around on Saturdays visiting the families and getting them to go to church.
What do you think?
My husband stepped down from the bus rounte because we never saw each other. Saturdays are our day of rest, we have a nice dinner and we have fun with the kids. It has been wonderful ever since we started doing this.
L~
Well it depends sis
IS this what your husband does for a living? IE a Pastor should set aside a sabbath each week. I do. You all notice I do not post at all on Sundays nor to I do moderation work here. I think though what your husband did is probably a right thing based on what you said.

Preaching the word and witnessing was never considered work. But I think Sermon preperation would have been.

PG

[dabney]

"Applies?

Do there seem to be other commandments that you feel don't "apply" to you? This is one of my very biggest hot button issues. Because we think that G-d just doesn't understand or is some how behind the times.

Listen here is the straight scoop. When G-d handed those stone tablets to Moshie in the dessert he KNEW you would post that question on this bulletin board in 2004. Yes it applies or G-d would have said "Except for........"

Yes you need to keep a Sabbath and yes it does apply even to us really sophisticated Modern people.

PG :wave:"


Tell me about your Sabbath day, friend....

[P_G]

Tell me about your Sabbath day, friend....
We simply do no creative work on the Sabbath
We create nothing
Nor shall we do commerce which would force others on our behalf to work on the sabbath.

Worship service and thats about it really
And a nap :)

Blessings

PG :wave:

[ZiSunka]

But walking the park is okay, and taking a ride in the car is okay, and visiting friends is okay, and swimming down at the old water hole is okay, right?

[P_G]

But walking the park is okay, and taking a ride in the car is okay, and visiting friends is okay, and swimming down at the old water hole is okay, right?

I would think so

I think that most people know very well what work is and what it is not. And this is where we get into legalism. That is when we know what is right and what is wrong and then bend the rules so that we can do what is wrong and say that it is right. That was what Y'shua was so angry about with the Pharisees.

I am sure that the next set of arguments I will hear is "I have to work on Sunday/Saturday or I will loose my job"

OK I understand this
my retort will be

Then what day is your sabbath?

Also

In the last days will you freely take the mark of the beast so that you can buy or sell?

Like I said this is a very hot button issue for me and I preach on it a lot.


Blessings

PG

[Andyman_1970]

Look at the context in which the Sabbath was given. The Jews had been "brick making machines" for 400 years. 7 days a week, 365 days a year, they made bricks. They were slaves to the Egyptian's to make bricks for them. Now God brings them out of bondage and He gives them this command to take a day set it aside for Me. Why? To remind them that they are not "brick making machines" they are His children.

I agree that Jesus gives us a Sabbath from "works", He has completed everything we need to have fellowship with God.

Look at how Jesus ministered to people. In Mark 1:32 after Jesus healed the sick and demon possesed. Look what Jesus did in v35, Jesus got up early to go pray by Himself. Jesus had just had this draining day of healing people and casting out demons, and the writer here wants you to know that Jesus doesn't get up the next day and go back to healing and casting out demons. Jesus knows there is this rhythm of heavy work, and serving and then He steps out of it all alone to rest.

Now go to Mark 6:30-31, the disiples have been out working and traveling. Jesus says to them to rest after they worked. Was there more work to do? I'm sure there was, what does Jesus say, "slowdown and rest for a while". He doesn't say, let's go we have more to do.

Luke 5:15-16, after the crowds came to Him to be healed Jesus withdrew to rest. Notice the pattern here, and how much time Jesus spent alone. This is again shown in Matthew 14:12-13 after He gets word of His cousin John the Baptist being beheaded.

Jesus knows when He need to rest and when He needs to be alone. Jesus even walks away from a whole villiage that begged Him to stay and take care of them, why? To rest.

Jesus' ministry was only 3 years long. Notice how often He disengages and rests. In today's hectic thinking, "I only have 3 years, so I need to get as much done as I can. All this rest is a waste of valuable time." If this was important to Jesus (resting), how much more important should it be to us?

God did not give us the Sabbath commandment to be a "party pooper" and to spoil our fun. He did it so we would understand that there is a rhythm to life and that we are not to be "machines" we are His children. Notice the rhythm God gives us, work 6 days and rest 1 day (6 and 1), this is the rhythm God created us to live in. Not 7 and 0. How do many people get their sense of value? For many people it's their work, what they produce, if they have a day where they got nothing done they refer to it as a waste of time. Where does God want us to get our value?

Now is that day of rest a day where you do nothing? No. Think about the context of the Sabbath, the Jews were slaves, and God used that day to let them know they were not brick making machines. What are we slaves to today? One Rabbi I read said in today's society we tend to be slaves to tim Time. We rush and rush and rush all week every day to make sure we get more stuff done. This same Rabbi that I read describe Sabbath as a day where nothing is urgent. I know one guy who doesn't wear a watch or answer the phone that day to further reinforce that fact that nothing is urgent (like our "normal" lives have become, rush rush rush).

For my wife and I Sunday's are very hectic for us, we can spend upward of 8 hours at church. So you can see how a Sunday would not be very restful for us. So not trying to be "Jewish" we made Saturday our Sabbath. We don't schedule anything if we can help it, I get the lawn work done during the week so I don't have to mess with it on Saturday. It's a day were if we want to sleep in we do, if my wife wants to go shopping with a friend she does, if I want to do a 20 mile mountain bike ride I do.

God has given us a rhythm to live by. No where do we see Jesus rushing around trying to get more done. Jesus should be our model for how we live our lives.

[Andyman_1970]

But walking the park is okay, and taking a ride in the car is okay, and visiting friends is okay, and swimming down at the old water hole is okay, right?

Romans 14 is a good place to start with those kinds of questions.

[costlygrace]

I might add to my first question. How did you break the news to friends and family (unbelievers mostly) that you now were going to keep the Sabbath?

:doh: :sigh: :D
If you have ever kept the Saturday sabbath chances are you know all about this!

[costlygrace]

I am sure that the next set of arguments I will hear is "I have to work on Sunday/Saturday or I will loose my job"

In the last days will you freely take the mark of the beast so that you can buy or sell?

Blessings

PG
:clap: :clap:
VERY good point! As I always say:
Christ made the sacrifice for us already on the cross, but we will not even risk enduring a cross ourselves for His sake so instead we must nail His commands up there in our place.

It is a distinguishing mark of those who do not love or fear the Lord, that His commands are what is tossed overboard when the seas start looking rough, and that someone else always has to make the sacrifice when one is needed. Jesus paid the price for our sins, His commands pay the price for our comfort, the family across the sea pays the price for our security, and we don’t pay for anything unless we can pay with a check.

Basically we give God our set of conditions: obedience must be comfortable, it must be respectable, and above all else it must be safe. Not only that but our safety and comfort must be guaranteed far into the future, or it becomes necessary for us to take matters into our own hands, at the expense of as many of His commands as we deem to be a “necessary” sacrifice.

A little off topic--sorry!!

[Jessica Lauren]

Well what if you're in school and you HAVE to work on that day? Or you HAVE to work to support your family or you won't be able to keep your job? I mean you have to eat...

[costlygrace]

Well what if you're in school and you HAVE to work on that day? Or you HAVE to work to support your family or you won't be able to keep your job? I mean you have to eat...

The issue here is whether you can trust God to keep you if you obey His commands. Faith and obedience. Daniel actually had a whole lot more at stake, if you think about it.

My dad lost his job for not working on the sabbath, and times were rough for several years, but the Lord took care of us and never let us down. Many times He provided miraculously when we were going to be evicted for not paying the rent, and we never were.

That said, I don't really see that the Sabbath necessarily has to be on Saturday or Sunday, as long as you keep it faithfully on the day that works for you. The principle of the command is to have a whole day of rest every seven days.

[ZiSunka]

Romans 14 is a good place to start with those kinds of questions.
I was only testing to see who would get all legalistic. A lot of folks think that if men do anything on Sunday, it is a sin, but they don't mind their wmenfolk cooking and cleaning on sunday...:D

[P_G]

Well what if you're in school and you HAVE to work on that day? Or you HAVE to work to support your family or you won't be able to keep your job? I mean you have to eat...


Well since you asked

here is what the bible says:

Deu 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.

Speaking of Gd's commands He says you should have them as a mark on your hand and forehead - basically that any one can see that you are a folower of Jehovah Gd

Bible also says this:

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.


I guess if the mark of the believer is that he has the commands of the L-rd in his heart and so obviously so that it is a mark that can be seen that the lack thereof could be seen as the fleshy mark of man or moreover of the antichrist.

Yupp looks like if you ignore Gd's commands you will be able to buy and sell. But personally I think the price is a little high


Blessings

Pastor George :preach:

[kyzar]

The Commandments were there for the Isrealittes, however this doesn't mean that we shouldn't follow them now... We dont murder, or commit adultery, then therefore we should keep the Sabbath, a day of rest from work in order to remember God.
We should keep God's commandments, and we should not make those who aren't Christians sin just because they don't believe...

I have to admit though occasionally I will want to watch a movie, or grab fast food, so i'll go to the video store, or deli etc... But i try and justify it by saying that its so small and it doenst matter or that those people are already working so me not going there wouldnt stop them...

Just my thoughts though, thanks

[ZiSunka]

Well what if you're in school and you HAVE to work on that day? Or you HAVE to work to support your family or you won't be able to keep your job? I mean you have to eat...
Doctors, nurses, firemen, police, EMT's, aids, all sorts of people have no choice but to work on sunday. They don't empty out the hospitals on saturday night so that the medical workers can all have sunday off! Heart attacks take no sabbath, nor house fires or other emergencies. Some people have to serve the sick and be on call to serve those who become sick or injured.

[Andyman_1970]

Doctors, nurses, firemen, police, EMT's, aids, all sorts of people have no choice but to work on sunday. They don't empty out the hospitals on saturday night so that the medical workers can all have sunday off! Heart attacks take no sabbath, nor house fires or other emergencies. Some people have to serve the sick and be on call to serve those who become sick or injured.

I've read (and I can't remember where if it's OT or Talmud or Mishnah) that the sactity of life overules the Sabbath rules. So in the case of the people you listed, what they are doing to help others overules the Sabbath rules. Jesus did the same thing when He healed that man on the Sabbath, He didn't violate the Torah, He "violated" the Rabbi's rules and regulations that they added to the Torah.

[P_G]

It was always and is ok to do that work which saves a life.
This is scriptural and no reason to discuss it.

Though it brings to mind that for the nurse or firefighter etc do they not also have a need to observe a sabbath? 6 days shall ye labor and on the 7th day rest. Or do these folks work 24/7 - 365?

What we see though is all kinds of excuses not to observe the sabbath "It doesn't matter because it is so small"

Oh and FYI if you are saved by the blood of the lamb you have been grafted into or adopted into the house of Isreal. So what was for them is for you also. Unless you don't really see yourself as part of the family?

I know what I say is hard for people to swallow and I do not condem anyone. But I do pray that this gives you something to think about. Perhaps some conviction


PG :wave:

[Gold Dragon]

I know what I say is hard for people to swallow and I do not condem anyone. But I do pray that this gives you something to think about. Perhaps some conviction

PG :wave:
:thumbsup:

[ZiSunka]

I've read (and I can't remember where if it's OT or Talmud or Mishnah) that the sactity of life overules the Sabbath rules. So in the case of the people you listed, what they are doing to help others overules the Sabbath rules. Jesus did the same thing when He healed that man on the Sabbath, He didn't violate the Torah, He "violated" the Rabbi's rules and regulations that they added to the Torah.
Exactly correct! I have used the same reasoning, too.

[Gold Dragon]

As Andy stated earlier, Romans 14 is really applicable to this question.

NASB: Romans 14:1-17

Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him. Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God. For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you regard your brother with contempt? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God. For it is written, "AS I LIVE, SAYS THE LORD, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW TO ME, AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL GIVE PRAISE TO GOD." So then each one of us will give an account of himself to God.

Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way. I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love. Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil; for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
Notice that at the beginning of this chapter, Paul seems to parallel the person who eats only vegetables with the person who "observes the day" and considers them "weaker" in faith. He also parallells the person who eats anything to the person who regards every day alike. Paul feels that nothing is unclean and probably that every day is alike but respects those who disagree with him.

I wouldn't use this passage to say that the Sabbath doesn't apply to Christians today but I think Paul does give us some perspective on how important it is and our attitudes towards those who differ in opinion. I think everyone in this thread has heeded Paul's words and done this, but I just thought I'd just bring it up. :)

[ZiSunka]

As Andy stated earlier, Romans 14 is really applicable to this question.


Notice that at the beginning of this chapter, Paul seems to parallel the person who eats only vegetables with the person who "observes the day" and considers them "weaker" in faith. He also parallells the person who eats anything to the person who regards every day alike. Paul feels that nothing is unclean and probably that every day is alike but respects those who disagree with him.

I wouldn't use this passage to say that the Sabbath doesn't apply to Christians today but I think Paul does give us some perspective on how important it is and our attitudes towards those who differ in opinion. I think everyone in this thread has heeded Paul's words and done this, but I just thought I'd just bring it up. :)
That's kind of a stretch. I think he is instead saying that we should choose for ourselves which days to celebrate and which days to work. He's not saying to work 7/365, he's saying, give your brothers and sisters a break and respect the days they choose to hold as special, and not judge them because they are different from your own.

[Gold Dragon]

That's kind of a stretch. I think he is instead saying that we should choose for ourselves which days to celebrate and which days to work. He's not saying to work 7/365, he's saying, give your brothers and sisters a break and respect the days they choose to hold as special, and not judge them because they are different from your own.
I'm totally with you. I hope I haven't suggested otherwise. I do believe that rest is part of God's design in creation and try to make an active effort to observe it. But I think Paul's words do give us some perspective on how much or little we should emphasize this and the particulars, especially with respect to those who disagree with us.

[Sephania]

What is a "Christian Sabbath" or more generically I read used here "A sabbath".

I looked it up in a dictionay on line and there seems to be alot of confusion.
This is Not the correct definition:

Sab´bath
Noun1.http://img.thefreedictionary.com/dict/114/305689-sabbath.gifSabbath - a day of rest and worship: Sunday for most Christians; Saturday for the Jews and a few Christians; Friday for Muslims day of rest (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/day%20of%20rest), rest day (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rest%20day) - a day set aside for rest



It does not mean rest at all. ;)

Here's an interesting Chrisitian link you might enjoy reading. http://www.clarion-call.org/yeshua/feasts/shabbat1.htm

[ZiSunka]

Huh?

[Gold Dragon]

It does not mean rest at all.Thanks for the link. However, I am confused by this quote. I don't see anything in that link to support this claim unless you are saying that the Sabbath is more than simply resting.

[Sephania]

Sorry, that site had nothing to do with the dictionary definition I found. :blush:

Shabbat means "to cease" The L-RD G-D did not "rest" He doesn't need rest, he "Ceased from all the work He did".

Here is a good scripture reading about what G-d thinks of Shabbat regarding both Jew and Gentile:

Isaiah 56
1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
8 The Lord GOD, which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Isaiah 58

13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

[ZiSunka]

And yet, the sabbath was created to serve man, not man to serve the sabbath...it is important to rest one day out of every seven, but it's wrong to be legalistic and judgmental about it.

[Sephania]

Actually if you are speaking of the commandment, it says to remember it and do no work and keep it holy.

Lambslove do you mean legalistic or pharasitical ?

[ZiSunka]

Legalism: to go beyond the extent of the law.

Main Entry: le·gal·ism http://www.m-w.com/images/audio.gif (javascript:popWin('/cgi-bin/audio.pl?legali01.wav=legalism'))
Pronunciation: 'lE-g&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : strict, literal, or excessive conformity to the law or to a religious or moral code ****e institutionalized legalism that restricts free choice>

[GreenEyedLady]

Lamb,
I think you mean pharacitical. Because if one was truley legalistic about the Sabbath, then that would mean that you were telling someone they were not saved if they were not observing the Sabbath.
That is the true meaning of legalism.
Its easy to get the 2 confused.
GEL

[ZiSunka]

Sorry accidentally double posted!

[ZiSunka]

Hi GEL!

See the above definition from Websters. Legalism is any over zealous adherence to the law, and has nothing to do with salvation. I think you have it backward, because the Phairasees were the ones who thought they got to decide who was saved and who wasn't based on that person's adherence to the law, but legalists merely expect everyone to admire their own excessive adherence to the law.

[GreenEyedLady]

Hi GEL!

but legalists merely expect everyone to admire their own excessive adherence to the law.
OR what?????????? They expect everyone to admire.........or what will happen???????
See what I mean. There has to be a reaction to what they expect.
WHatssssssssssssssssssssss UP girl!
GEL:hug:

[GreenEyedLady]

This is Websters 1828 definition. Isn't it amazing how the definitions change over the years! Have you ever taken an old dictonary and read the definitions. They are totally differant. Anytime I look up a word from my KJV bible, I always use the closest era dictonary I can find, so that I know what they meant back in 1611. Am I making any sense?

Legality
LEGAL'ITY, n.

1. Lawfulness; conformity to law.

2. In theology, a reliance on works for salvation.

[ZiSunka]

OR what?????????? They expect everyone to admire.........or what will happen???????
See what I mean. There has to be a reaction to what they expect.
WHatssssssssssssssssssssss UP girl!
GEL:hug:

there is no or what for legalists. The just want others to look up to them. There's no condemnation in legalism. Pharasees judge, legalists admire themselves.

[ZiSunka]

This is Websters 1828 definition. Isn't it amazing how the definitions change over the years! Have you ever taken an old dictonary and read the definitions. They are totally differant. Anytime I look up a word from my KJV bible, I always use the closest era dictonary I can find, so that I know what they meant back in 1611. Am I making any sense?

Legality
LEGAL'ITY, n.

1. Lawfulness; conformity to law.

2. In theology, a reliance on works for salvation.
There's a really good book called "King James Dictionary." It discusses the differences between the way we understand words today and the way they were understood back then. The words legalism and legalist weren't even in the KJV, they are 19th century inventions. The oldest Websters I have is 1880 and it agrees with the meaning I posted. When I use the word, that is the meaning I am using.

[costlygrace]

Doctors, nurses, firemen, police, EMT's, aids, all sorts of people have no choice but to work on sunday. They don't empty out the hospitals on saturday night so that the medical workers can all have sunday off! Heart attacks take no sabbath, nor house fires or other emergencies. Some people have to serve the sick and be on call to serve those who become sick or injured.

Only a devil would command us to throw people out of hospitals so that we could rest onhe Sabbath, that's for sure!! That is the kind of thing Jesus meant when He set the example of healing on the Sabbath. Any compassion work that is needed is not a breaking of the sabbath. Though it is good to take a sabbath on a different day if you can!

And yes, to make the women work on the sabbath is even worse than working yourself on the sabbath! Or servants, or employees!