What are the chances?

[yod]

Hey Ya'll


what are the chances that a real revival could break out in Israel? I think I see one coming....

[Henaynei]

Hey Ya'll


what are the chances that a real revival could break out in Israel? I think I see one coming....
I think that is one of G-d's purposes in the Torah revival that has started in the US.:clap:

What have you been seeing?

[BenTsion]

I'd say the odds of a revival happening in Israel soon are around 110% ;)
I have seen lots of scriptural reference for that and I do believe that G-d has
brought His people back to Eretz Israel so that the prophecy of Romans 11
starts being fulfilled.

In Messiah,
Ben Tsion

[Henaynei]

If there is no revival soon there will be awful judgement (as G-d's judgement always startes with His own).

[yod]

I dunno that it is something that can be measured...but it seems that the people of Israel have got to be worried and wondering what the future holds for them. The man they trusted and voted for is giving the West Bank away unilaterally...and tearing down settlements. The jews know this won't satisfy the bloodthirst of Arafat or Hamas.

They are becoming more isolated in the world....anti-semetic acts are on the rise in Europe, terrorism still targets them but now it has taken on a global character....they are losing support in the Democratic Party of America (where most jews are) Major jewish groups in America have practically stopped going to Israel out of fear.

About the only people in the world they can count on are evangelical christians. I believe they are quietly noticing this....and it affects their mistrust of christians....and therefore the Messiah too. Already my friends in messianic congregations of Israel tell me that they are seeing an increase in jews who accept Yeshua...and less animosity from secular jews.

I believe we will soon see a "covenant with the many" as a result of the war on terrorism. There will be an international agreement on the status of Jerusalem with Israel & all arab nations...ratified by the Quartet. As usual this treaty will judge with a double standard and Israel will be made the scapegoat.

Then judgement will come on the whole world. When it comes, I believe that there will be a large segment of their society who will call upon the Lord...and find Yeshua answering.

Hey...it could happen! Real soon!

[ShirChadash]

I completely agree with you Yod, and everyone else who posted.

In re: henaynei's comment about there being a connection between the rise in Torah-observance here in the US and the impending revival in Israel...
May I share something? (Forgive me if I get off-topic or ramble, and please no one be offended if you disagree... I'm only speaking for me)

something our Father revealed to Dh and me (and I think, others, as I have mentioned it to them)...
during last Rosh Hashannah, I felt the Father showed me that those who belong to Him and embrace Yeshua are to proclaim the Foundation of faith in HaShem (Torah) to believers (Jew and non-Jew alike), and the Fulfillment (filling full) of faith in HaShem (Yeshua haMoshiach) to non-believers (Jew and non-Jew alike). I truly don't think our Father ever intended there to be more than one faith (Biblical Judaism) for His followers, whether they be Jew, or non-Jew who desired to be counted among the people of G-d. I think the divisions even among those who claim to believe in Him, are heart-breaking sins in His Eyes... and the root of today's division (even though catholics and orthodox claim it began with the reformation) is that, when gentiles replaced pretty much all of the previously Jewish leadership of the "church" after 70 AD, they brought their hatred of Jews and all things Jewish (not to mention a traditional hatred of Torah) into the mix and left behind AND began to weed out the very faith of HaShem -- the faith OF Yeshua -- and slowly turned it into a faith that was somewhat ABOUT Yeshua, coupled with a lukewarm, vomit-inducing mixture of paganism, some of which SOME people have challenged and tossed out and changed, but most of them did not go far enough. This is why it stirs my heart so deeply when I read Yeshua's words, "I pray that you may all be one, even as the Father and I are One." HaShem has never ever handed down any faith, any doctrines, any practices nor a belief-system for any of His children to follow, OTHER THAN Biblical Judaism, which Yeshua haMoshiach lived, filled full, and certainly never nullified. I know with all of my heart that anything that denies Torah to believers in HaShem is just as "of satan" as anything that denies Yeshua haMoshiach to believers in HaShem. And it is incredible to me that so many various churches/denoms teach/think that we will all be "one" under their church's man-made doctrines and man-given authorities. :eek: (stepping off soapbox)

I too think that Israel is on the brink of revival:clap: . Barry and Batya Segal have a CD out (anyone know the Messianic Praise and Worship music I'm referring to here?) called Go Through The Gates, and that title track just makes me cry and call out to G-d for His people Isra'el. When I hear it, I feel in a sense it is calling us, we who believe in Yeshua and stand for Isra'el, to "prepare the way for the people" of G-d through intercession... to stand in the gap, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure the original intent of the song had anything to do with this particular bend... but when I hear the words, "Go through, go through the gates, prepare the way for the people, build up, build up the highway for the L-rd", aside from the Scripture it references, I feel deeply that the message is clear (in my heart at least)... those who practice Torah and embrace Yeshua are to "go through" the gates and "pray through"... lay the road for all His people G-d is drawing to Himself. (does any of this make sense? it is way early in the AM and I haven't had much sleep).

It saddens me so deeply that the majority of "christians" have bought the enemy's lie hook, line and sinker. What a horrifying thing in this day and age to hear phrases like, "the Jewish problem". Considering how the enemy of our G-d has forever sought to destroy Isra'el as a nation, Judaism as a faith, and Jews as people... well, I just don't understand how believers in "the same G-d", supposedly, can hate His people or even "merely" advocate against them. I never bought that even as a cathlolic who grew up hearing "Palestine" :eek: constantly.

(have I rambled sufficiently? :sorry: )

Anyway, praying for you all, Beloved, and for Isra'el this morning. May Yeshua come quickly and in our day.

[ShirChadash]

I believe we will soon see a "covenant with the many" as a result of the war on terrorism. There will be an international agreement on the status of Jerusalem with Israel & all arab nations...ratified by the Quartet.
Yod, I've been meaning to ask, who is "the Quartet" you referred to in your post?

[Henaynei]

Yeah, what she said!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_3_44.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)


I completely agree with you Yod, and everyone else who posted.

In re: henaynei's comment about there being a connection between the rise in Torah-observance here in the US and the impending revival in Israel...
May I share something? (Forgive me if I get off-topic or ramble, and please no one be offended if you disagree... I'm only speaking for me)

something our Father revealed to Dh and me (and I think, others, as I have mentioned it to them)...
during last Rosh Hashannah, I felt the Father showed me that those who belong to Him and embrace Yeshua are to proclaim the Foundation of faith in HaShem (Torah) to believers (Jew and non-Jew alike), and the Fulfillment (filling full) of faith in HaShem (Yeshua haMoshiach) to non-believers (Jew and non-Jew alike). I truly don't think our Father ever intended there to be more than one faith (Biblical Judaism) for His followers, whether they be Jew, or non-Jew who desired to be counted among the people of G-d. I think the divisions even among those who claim to believe in Him, are heart-breaking sins in His Eyes... and the root of today's division (even though catholics and orthodox claim it began with the reformation) is that, when gentiles replaced pretty much all of the previously Jewish leadership of the "church" after 70 AD, they brought their hatred of Jews and all things Jewish (not to mention a traditional hatred of Torah) into the mix and left behind AND began to weed out the very faith of HaShem -- the faith OF Yeshua -- and slowly turned it into a faith that was somewhat ABOUT Yeshua, coupled with a lukewarm, vomit-inducing mixture of paganism, some of which SOME people have challenged and tossed out and changed, but most of them did not go far enough. This is why it stirs my heart so deeply when I read Yeshua's words, "I pray that you may all be one, even as the Father and I are One." HaShem has never ever handed down any faith, any doctrines, any practices nor a belief-system for any of His children to follow, OTHER THAN Biblical Judaism, which Yeshua haMoshiach lived, filled full, and certainly never nullified. I know with all of my heart that anything that denies Torah to believers in HaShem is just as "of satan" as anything that denies Yeshua haMoshiach to believers in HaShem. And it is incredible to me that so many various churches/denoms teach/think that we will all be "one" under their church's man-made doctrines and man-given authorities. :eek: (stepping off soapbox)

I too think that Israel is on the brink of revival:clap: . Barry and Batya Segal have a CD out (anyone know the Messianic Praise and Worship music I'm referring to here?) called Go Through The Gates, and that title track just makes me cry and call out to G-d for His people Isra'el. When I hear it, I feel in a sense it is calling us, we who believe in Yeshua and stand for Isra'el, to "prepare the way for the people" of G-d through intercession... to stand in the gap, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure the original intent of the song had anything to do with this particular bend... but when I hear the words, "Go through, go through the gates, prepare the way for the people, build up, build up the highway for the L-rd", aside from the Scripture it references, I feel deeply that the message is clear (in my heart at least)... those who practice Torah and embrace Yeshua are to "go through" the gates and "pray through"... lay the road for all His people G-d is drawing to Himself. (does any of this make sense? it is way early in the AM and I haven't had much sleep).

It saddens me so deeply that the majority of "christians" have bought the enemy's lie hook, line and sinker. What a horrifying thing in this day and age to hear phrases like, "the Jewish problem". Considering how the enemy of our G-d has forever sought to destroy Isra'el as a nation, Judaism as a faith, and Jews as people... well, I just don't understand how believers in "the same G-d", supposedly, can hate His people or even "merely" advocate against them. I never bought that even as a cathlolic who grew up hearing "Palestine" :eek: constantly.

(have I rambled sufficiently? :sorry: )

Anyway, praying for you all, Beloved, and for Isra'el this morning. May Yeshua come quickly and in our day.

[yod]

The Quartet is a body made up of The United States, The European Union, Russia, and The United Nations. Not sure what their exact authority is but the leaders of this group meet on matters of global significance. Last year they came to an agreement about the Road Map and it brought some momentum to the "peace" process.




I too think that Israel is on the brink of revival . Barry and Batya Segal have a CD out (anyone know the Messianic Praise and Worship music I'm referring to here?) called Go Through The Gates, and that title track just makes me cry and call out to G-d for His people Isra'el. When I hear it, I feel in a sense it is calling us, we who believe in Yeshua and stand for Isra'el, to "prepare the way for the people" of G-d through intercession... to stand in the gap, if you know what I mean. I'm not sure the original intent of the song had anything to do with this particular bend... but when I hear the words, "Go through, go through the gates, prepare the way for the people, build up, build up the highway for the L-rd", aside from the Scripture it references, I feel deeply that the message is clear (in my heart at least)...

I know Barry & Batya. That is exactly what they want people to understand....after all...the words are not theirs, but Isaiah's...chapter 62

[ShirChadash]

Yod... will you be my new best friend? :D

Okay, you're a worship leader and musician (me too me too!) you KNOW Barry and Batya Segal (I would love to meet Batya), you're a Messianic (me too me too!)... what's not to like... well, except you're in Texas :P rofl! JK

Thanks for the reply!

[yod]

Yod... will you be my new best friend?

sure thing...I was about ask you the same question!


Don't knock Texas until you've tried it. We are the "other" promised land.

What nation are you in?

[ShirChadash]

heeheeee LOL. Well we're way up in Big Sky country, where the livin is good and the air is clean... and it's um... 6 below zero real temp right now, and um... we have some 8 inches of snow and... HM... Texas sounds better every moment now that I think of it! :idea:

[yod]

LOL....see what I mean?

Plus WE have the Cowboys and you have the Vikings

[ShirChadash]

:sorry: I ain't got no Vikings! LOL :sorry:


And WE have the REAL cowboys! Bwahahahahaaaaaa! Come on up to Montana, boy, we'll learn ya reeeeeeel good about cowboy'n.

:P!^_^

:wave: from the real Wild West.

[iitb]

what's not to like... well, except you're in Texas :P
Any less than favorable statements about Texas will result in immediate banning. :D

[mylene]

I felt the Father showed me that those who belong to Him and embrace Yeshua are to proclaim the Foundation of faith in HaShem (Torah) to believers (Jew and non-Jew alike), and the Fulfillment (filling full) of faith in HaShem (Yeshua haMoshiach) to non-believers (Jew and non-Jew alike). . This is why it stirs my heart so deeply when I read Yeshua's words, "I pray that you may all be one, even as the Father and I are One." HaShem has never ever handed down any faith, any doctrines, any practices nor a belief-system for any of His children to follow, OTHER THAN Biblical Judaism, which Yeshua haMoshiach lived, filled full, and certainly never nullified. .


So true and Yeshua would agree. He never deviated from Judaism. All Rabbis at that time agreed with his faith.

May more hearts be won.

[Henaynei]

So true and Yeshua would agree. He never deviated from Judaism. All Rabbis at that time agreed with his faith.

May more hearts be won.
Welcome Mylene http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/26/26_5_13.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

btw - the P'rushim v'Sadukim (aka Pharisees and Saducees) were rabbis, and no not ALL rabbis agreed with Yeshua. However you are quite correct, He never deviated from Judaism.

[yod]

Here is more evidence for why I believe we will soon see a huge revival in Israel. (MKs = Members of Knesset......The Israeli "Congress")



MKs create 'Christian Allies Caucus'


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Tovah Lazaroff Jan. 6, 2004 - Jerusalem Post
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MKs from the Right and the Left reached out to Christians Monday by creating the first-ever parliamentary caucus designed to strengthened ties with pro-Israel Christian groups around the world.

"We need their help to fight the delegitimation of Israel that is really becoming stronger and stronger," said Yuri Shtern (National Union), who co-chairs the caucus along with MK Yair Peretz (Shas).

"Israel has no better friend in the world than the United States, and that is in no small part due to our Christian friends in America, and we hope to see the same happen in Europe, and elsewhere," said Shtern.

"Our shared values and beliefs, based on our common Judeo-Christian heritage, are the source of the strong ties between us," said Shtern.
Individual politicians, such as Minister Benny Elon (National Union), have reached out to Christian groups and politicians.

But there has never been a formal lobby in the Knesset to promote contact and help Christians in Israel, said Shtern.

The group will be an address for Christian groups and politicians wanting to visit Israel. It will lobby for measures to help Christians visit and live here. And it will seek ties with Christians abroad who support Israel, said Shtern.
It's a lobby that should have been created long ago, particularly in light of the growing international sentiment against Israel, said Shtern.

Representatives of three major Christian Zionist Organizations, Bridges for Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem (ICEJ) plan to attend the caucus's inaugural meeting in the next few weeks.

ICEJ executive director Malcolm Hedding said, "We welcome this initiative as an opportunity to further support Israel by making known to Knesset members the vital work that Christian Zionists do for and on behalf of the state."

[Henaynei]

MKs create 'Christian Allies Caucus'
Tovah Lazaroff Jan. 6, 2004 - Jerusalem Post
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The group will be an address for Christian groups and politicians wanting to visit Israel. It will lobby for measures to help Christians visit and live here. And it will seek ties with Christians abroad who support Israel, said Shtern.
It's a lobby that should have been created long ago, particularly in light of the growing international sentiment against Israel, said Shtern.

Yod - would you be kind enough to provide a web address for this aritcle?? I have searched everywhere - even the JP archives, by title, author, internal references, etc - but have not been able to turn up the site yet!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/10/10_1_118.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

In 10 years this could been seen as the start of the acceptance of MJ's as eligible for aliyah!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_111.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

[ShirChadash]

Here is more evidence for why I believe we will soon see a huge revival in Israel. (MKs = Members of Knesset......The Israeli "Congress")



MKs create 'Christian Allies Caucus'


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Tovah Lazaroff Jan. 6, 2004 - Jerusalem Post
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MKs from the Right and the Left reached out to Christians Monday by creating the first-ever parliamentary caucus designed to strengthened ties with pro-Israel Christian groups around the world.

"We need their help to fight the delegitimation of Israel that is really becoming stronger and stronger," said Yuri Shtern (National Union), who co-chairs the caucus along with MK Yair Peretz (Shas).

"Israel has no better friend in the world than the United States, and that is in no small part due to our Christian friends in America, and we hope to see the same happen in Europe, and elsewhere," said Shtern.

"Our shared values and beliefs, based on our common Judeo-Christian heritage, are the source of the strong ties between us," said Shtern.
Individual politicians, such as Minister Benny Elon (National Union), have reached out to Christian groups and politicians.

But there has never been a formal lobby in the Knesset to promote contact and help Christians in Israel, said Shtern.

The group will be an address for Christian groups and politicians wanting to visit Israel. It will lobby for measures to help Christians visit and live here. And it will seek ties with Christians abroad who support Israel, said Shtern.
It's a lobby that should have been created long ago, particularly in light of the growing international sentiment against Israel, said Shtern.

Representatives of three major Christian Zionist Organizations, Bridges for Peace, Christian Friends of Israel and the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem (ICEJ) plan to attend the caucus's inaugural meeting in the next few weeks.

ICEJ executive director Malcolm Hedding said, "We welcome this initiative as an opportunity to further support Israel by making known to Knesset members the vital work that Christian Zionists do for and on behalf of the state."
WOW!

That is awesome! Thx for the article.
ps. Yod, you do know I was just joking all through this thread with the silly posts, eh? Heeheeee, DH and I are so fried writing up these application materials that we needed a good LOL last night... which your responses provided! Thanks for that too!

[yod]

it was in the jan 6 edition of JPost. You have to pay a subscription rate to view their archives from their site. Sorry...

They probably didn't want this new out for long, huh?

[yod]

In 10 years this could been seen as the start of the acceptance of MJ's as eligible for aliyah!
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ya know....

you might have swerved into the reason behind this. What if they are realizing that the population growth of their enemies needs to be counter-balanced with the population INFLUX of their friends?

Letting MJs in will not become popular very soon....but it might become a necessity before too long.