Parsha Discussion...1 or 3 year cycle?

[iitb]

Hey All,
How would everyone feel about a weekly parsha(parashah?) discussion thread? If there's interest, I could outline a few thread rules, and try to get started with Parsha Va'yechi (next weeks portion).

[simchat_torah]

I think it would be a great idea for a sticky.

[Pray4Isrel]

Excellent idea! :clap:

[Henaynei]

Hey All,
How would everyone feel about a weekly parsha(parashah?) discussion thread? If there's interest, I could outline a few thread rules, and try to get started with Parsha Va'yechi (next weeks portion).
This is right on - I was thinking of this myself today!!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_2_113.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

[Henaynei]

I think it would be a great idea for a sticky.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_12_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)What's a "sticky?"

[simchat_torah]

A sticky is one of the threads at the top of the forum that doesn't get pushed down... one with a 'push tack' in it.

[simchat_torah]

our stickies so far are: rules, online texts, aliyah, and FAQ

[Shiphrah]

This is right on - I was thinking of this myself today!!


Me Too!! You know they say great minds think alike! ;)

[Henaynei]

A sticky is one of the threads at the top of the forum that doesn't get pushed down... one with a 'push tack' in it.
LOL
I never could figure out what those icons meant - I figured the blue one to be a mouse (though had no idea why it was there) and just COULD not figure out the yellow one - I can now see that they are both push tacks - DUH!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_6_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

[Henaynei]

Me Too!! You know they say great minds think alike! ;)
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[Shiphrah]

What is this weeks parsha anyway? Is it Vayigash? or Vayechi?

[iitb]

So, should each portion be discussed in the 6 days before or after the shabbat it's read?

[iitb]

This week is Vayigash.

[iitb]

When in doubt, I generally reference the YashaNet listing: http://www.yashanet.com/shabbat/parsha.htm

[Shiphrah]

I'd say after, but before is okay too.

[iitb]

I'd say after, but before is okay too.
That's what I've been leaning towards. That way everyone's at least had a chance to hear it read...at least those who can regularly attend a Shabbat service.

[Henaynei]

Traditionally the P'rasha is for the week preceeding Shabbat, as Shabbat is the end, not the beginning of the week. The portions of the P'rasha are read at Minyans thorughout the week preceeding Shabbat and the entire P'rasha is read in 8 seperate aliyot during Shabbat Shakarit (morning service).

How this actually works out is that there is one section for each day of the week, with a double portion on Shabbat.

You can find the P'rasha sections in the Stern's CJB.

[Henaynei]

It is not necessary that we have to follow one or the other, so I ask:

Do you think we should use the one year reading cycle - and coincide with most MJ congregations that do Torah readings

or

should we use the three year reading cycle - and take it in smaller "bites" and chew more thoroughly?

[Henaynei]

Will we also include the HafTorah in our study?

[iitb]

Traditionally the P'rasha is for the week preceeding Shabbat, as Shabbat is the end, not the beginning of the week. The portions of the P'rasha are read at Minyans thorughout the week preceeding Shabbat and the entire P'rasha is read in 8 seperate aliyot during Shabbat Shakarit (morning service).

How this actually works out is that there is one section for each day of the week, with a double portion on Shabbat.

You can find the P'rasha sections in the Stern's CJB.
That works for me. :) I'll try to get a few discussion parameters together later today, and we can start on Va'yechi tomorrow.

[Shiphrah]

How this actually works out is that there is one section for each day of the week, with a double portion on Shabbat.

You can find the P'rasha sections in the Stern's CJB.


I never knew that! I often wondered what the roman numerals were in the portions of scripture of the CJB.

[iitb]

I would prefer the one year; that way we allow everyone to prepare for the coming shabbat. :)

We can include the Haftarah if you'd like. I'm flexible on all of this. ;)

[Henaynei]

I would prefer the one year; that way we allow everyone to prepare for the coming shabbat. :)

We can include the Haftarah if you'd like. I'm flexible on all of this. ;)
I think it is quite ok if we do - but also that it is quite a full plate.

suggestion:http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/346.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)
this year do the Torah portions
next year do the HafTorah portions, referring to the previous Torah discussions

[iitb]

We could start with the 1 year schedule, and if it gets too overwhelming, switch to the 3 year.

[simchat_torah]

I would like to do the 1 year parashot as well.

[Shiphrah]

Me too.

[sojeru]

awww i was hoping for the 3 year but oh well
:D Majority rules even with our people

[ShirChadash]

It is not necessary that we have to follow one or the other, so I ask:

Do you think we should use the one year reading cycle - and coincide with most MJ congregations that do Torah readings

or

should we use the three year reading cycle - and take it in smaller "bites" and chew more thoroughly?
:clap: Oh pleeeez pleeeez consider taking the three year cycle, won't you folks? So many places online all do the 1 year cycle, and my family is following the 3-year, so TL and I would greatly appreciate having a place to discuss the readings on the 3-yr set-up (which we haven't found a place to do yet anywhere else online). granted, I'll be happy with whatever you all decide, and I haven't managed to read this whole thread yet, so I realize you may have decided already lol... but I wanted to speak up quick!

[simchat_torah]

Since Justin is currently writing up the rules for the thread... I'll post a quick poll. Let's say that we should have the poll end by midnight tonight.

[simchat_torah]

its a poll people.... vote.

;)

[simchat_torah]

once the thread is up, I say we can delete this one and the poll just to clean house.

[Henaynei]

LOL

yer title says 1 or 3 year

yer POLL says 1 or 2 year!!!

oooops!

[iitb]

I'm going to merge this to the Parsha discussion thread. That'll keep everything in 1 place. :)

[simchat_torah]

hahaha... I'll try to change that. oopos. lol

[simchat_torah]

ok, I can't change the options... haha, so it is understood that the 2 year option really means 3 year cycle...

and we all agree that I need to go back to elementary school.

[ShirChadash]

roflol!

[iitb]

Threads merged and poll fixed. ;)

[Henaynei]

Justin - de' man wid de' golden keyboard!!http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/3/3_3_7.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

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[simchat_torah]

looks like Justin has the magic touch... poll is fixed.

[iitb]

Let's say that we should have the poll end by midnight tonight.
Defining "midnight:"
Since we're all spread out over different time zones, and I'm the one who's planning to post the final thread, let's go with midnight my time(mountain time zone, GMT -7).

I'll post the final discussion thread at that point.

[Henaynei]

uh.... dat's 2am here!
gotcha!

[Pray4Isrel]

Aw, now I have to make a decision and vote...
;)

[simchat_torah]

***Yafet quickly uses his mod powers to edit the results of the poll at 11:59 mountain time***

muwhahahahhaha...

[Pray4Isrel]

***Yafet quickly uses his mod powers to edit the results of the poll at 11:59 mountain time***

muwhahahahhaha...You corrupt moderator, you! ;)

/me stands guard with a super-soaker water gun... fully loaded.

[iitb]

The only place I know of to find the 3 year breakdown is http://www.torahresource.com/parasha.html . Does anyone know of a better site?

[Henaynei]

The only place I know of to find the 3 year breakdown is http://www.torahresource.com/parasha.html . Does anyone know of a better site?
yes, I'll be right back

[Henaynei]

The Triennial Reading of the Torah (http://www.mishkon.org/triennial.htm) - with holiday readings

This is another site - may be not better, may be so??

[iitb]

The Triennial Reading of the Torah (http://www.mishkon.org/triennial.htm) - with holiday readings

This is another site - may be not better, may be so??
That chart is really confusing. :confused: Makes me hope we end up with the one year cycle. ;)

[ShirChadash]

Here's where TL found the 3-year cycle... It's a PDF file, and I can't say whether it's better or not either :) But I'll throw it out here just in case...


http://www.mim.net/Newsroom/NewsGraphics/Triennial-Torah-Portions.pdf

[Henaynei]

That chart is really confusing. :confused: Makes me hope we end up with the one year cycle. ;)

LOL if you let your eyes focus it really is not so bad. It is just not set up in a table all nice and columnizied - LOL

Each weekly reading is listed by it's Name
Which in this case also happens to be the name of the book as it is the first reading in the book of Bereshit/Genesis.

Next it tells you the complete reading for the year in tyhe cycle - say year #2

Then it lists the breakdown of the 8 aliyot
Bereshit

year 1 1:1 – 2:3 year 2 2:4 – 4:26 year 3 5:1 – 6:8

1 1:1 – 1:5 2:4 – 2:9 5:1 – 5:5

2 1:6 – 1:8 2:10 – 2:19 5:6 – 5:8

3 1:9 – 1:13 2:20 – 2:25 5:9 – 5:14

4 1:14 – 1:19 3:1 – 3:21 5:15 – 5:20

5 1:20 – 1:23 3:22 – 3:24 5:21 – 5:24

6 1:24 – 1:31 4:1 – 4:18 5:25 – 5:31

7 2:1 – 2:3 4:19 – 4:26 5:32 – 6:8

Maftir 2:1 – 2:3 4:23 – 4:26 6:5 – 6:8

[iitb]

Here's where TL found the 3-year cycle... It's a PDF file, and I can't say whether it's better or not either :) But I'll throw it out here just in case...


http://www.mim.net/Newsroom/NewsGraphics/Triennial-Torah-Portions.pdf
That list seems to have the cycle ending in March. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the triennial schedule also end on Simchat Torah, just every third year?

[iitb]

LOL if you let your eyes focus it really is not so bad. It is just not set up in a table all nice and columnizied - LOL

Each weekly reading is listed by it's Name
Which in this case also happens to be the name of the book as it is the first reading in the book of Bereshit/Genesis.

Next it tells you the complete reading for the year in tyhe cycle - say year #2

Then it lists the breakdown of the 8 aliyot
Bereshit

year 1 1:1 – 2:3 year 2 2:4 – 4:26 year 3 5:1 – 6:8

1 1:1 – 1:5 2:4 – 2:9 5:1 – 5:5

2 1:6 – 1:8 2:10 – 2:19 5:6 – 5:8

3 1:9 – 1:13 2:20 – 2:25 5:9 – 5:14

4 1:14 – 1:19 3:1 – 3:21 5:15 – 5:20

5 1:20 – 1:23 3:22 – 3:24 5:21 – 5:24

6 1:24 – 1:31 4:1 – 4:18 5:25 – 5:31

7 2:1 – 2:3 4:19 – 4:26 5:32 – 6:8

Maftir 2:1 – 2:3 4:23 – 4:26 6:5 – 6:8
So, instead of reading the entire thing in order, you'd only read that little section of Bereshit before moving on to the year 2 section of Noach. Or am I just totally confused?

[ShirChadash]

That list seems to have the cycle ending in March. Correct me if I'm wrong, but shouldn't the triennial schedule also end on Simchat Torah, just every third year?
OKay CF ate my post LOL

ANYWAY I was saying...
DON'T ask ME! LOL I dunno nuthin from nuthin! TL mentions he thinks it begins anew with Passover since Passover is the first feast of the year. But whatever... we sure don't have to use this cycle even if you all decide to go with a 3-year set-up. :D We're easy to please, kwim?:angel:

[Henaynei]

So, instead of reading the entire thing in order, you'd only read that little section of Bereshit before moving on to the year 2 section of Noach. Or am I just totally confused?
Yes, you read the year one section of each weekly reading all year long, then the second year you read the year two section for ear week, and in year three you read the year three section for each week, finishing the Torah cycle on Simchat Torah of the third year.

This allows for more detailed study of each section each week.

[iitb]

Not that I'm complaining, but it strikes me as odd to read a portion, skip a portion, etc.

[Henaynei]

Not that I'm complaining, but it strikes me as odd to read a portion, skip a portion, etc.
theo only other way per tradition is the one year cycle - in this format I think that is just way too much to try to fully discuss and study each week - but lets see what others think!! http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15_4_101.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)
Get out the vote!!!
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[iitb]

Anyway, to clarify, the 3 year cycle we would use is the one Henaynei presented: http://www.mishkon.org/triennial.htm

However, you still have 6 more hours to vote on which cycle, annual or triennial, you want to follow!

[simchat_torah]

My thoughts...



and please keep this in mind community:



Considering that we all follow the 1 year Torah cycle at our synagogues/congregations/homes/etc... doesn't it make more sense that we could discuss what we've studied or heard read on Shabbat?



To me, it is going to be rather difficult, not to mention time consuming, for us to have one parsha for home/synagogue and a different one for here on the forums.



With this in mind, wouldn't you rather go to the one year cycle?



shalom,

Yafet.

[Henaynei]

Considering that we all follow the 1 year Torah cycle at our synagogues/congregations/homes/etc... doesn't it make more sense that we could discuss what we've studied or heard read on Shabbat?

To me, it is going to be rather difficult, not to mention time consuming, for us to have one parsha for home/synagogue and a different one for here on the forums.

With this in mind, wouldn't you rather go to the one year cycle?
My dear Yafet and community,

Bear http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_163.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)this in mind.

It is NOT a "different" p'rasha,
but a SMALLER http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_22_34.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)portion of the IDENTICALhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_5_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) p'rasha.
For study purposes this is really easier http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_200.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) and NOT more "difficult!"

[Henaynei]

Considering that we all follow the 1 year Torah cycle at our synagogues/congregations/homes/etc... doesn't it make more sense that we could discuss what we've studied or heard read on Shabbat?

To me, it is going to be rather difficult, not to mention time consuming, for us to have one parsha for home/synagogue and a different one for here on the forums.

With this in mind, wouldn't you rather go to the one year cycle?
My dear Yafet and community,

Bear http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_163.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)this in mind.

It is NOT a "different" p'rasha, but a SMALLER http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_22_34.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)portion of the IDENTICALhttp://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/15/15_5_4.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001) p'rasha.
For study purposes this is really easier and NOT more "difficult!"http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_1_200.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001)

Shalom!
Henaynei

[Henaynei]

Sorry for the double post - for the last 2 days I have repeatedly gotten bumped off the server.

Could someone delete this post and the first of the duplicate?

Todah :)

[iitb]

Looks like we've got the three year. I'm closing this thread, and will get the official discussion here ASAP.

[iitb]

By the way, the discussion thread is here: http://www.christianforums.com/t81436