Was Jesus always perfect?

[Droobie]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?

[PistGurl]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

[Konnie]

Yes of course He was.

[cindylou]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible.
If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions...

[Éclairé]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.

[Droobie]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.
That depends on 'why' He overturned the tables... The money-changers were doing business in the front courtyard of the temple. Holding a foreign exchange stall for people wanting to buy sacrifices, while homeless, beggars and the poor were being kept out on the streets.

His anger was more of a reprimand for the lack of respect that the businessmen had for the temple.

[Éclairé]

That depends on 'why' He overturned the tables... The money-changers were doing business in the front courtyard of the temple. Holding a foreign exchange stall for people wanting to buy sacrifices, while homeless, beggars and the poor were being kept out on the streets.

His anger was more of a reprimand for the lack of respect that the businessmen had for the temple.

I don't take issue with the source of the anger or its 'righteousness', only that what he did was illegal and apparently destructive to property, while at the same time could have possibly been more effectively vented towards those responsible for granting permission to setup the market in the first place.

I'm not going as far as to say he wasn't perfect but that this example is not one you would not use to teach people as a perfect method to handle situations in todays society.

[faerieevaH]

*ss* An interesting question indeed. And I think it is one that is difficult to answer, without asking what the nature of perfection is. And then you come in a very subjective area.
I do believe he had temper tantrums, and moments or periods of inperfection. That to me is one of the greatest miracles of God becomming man. To carry the human flaws, and keep to living without sin. Sin is in... intention, as is pointed out above, not in emotion, and not even always in execution.

[The-Doctor]

The vicar at church asked the question "was Jesus good at everyting he did?" did he run faster than anyone else, was he healthier than anyone else was he a better carpenter than anyone else?

[Bevlina]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
Pist, Jesus was the Word made Flesh. Jesus was perfect in every way. Who is man to question God's actions? You are Pist, I am Bevlina, God is God.:angel:

[Bevlina]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.
There is such a thing as righteous anger Eclaire.:angel:

[BabbleOn8806]

Yes Jesus was perfect. he was the spotless lamb and perfect sacrifice... otherwise how would we be saved but through his perfect blood???

[AtlantaFest04]

I think God was perfect. I don't think he ever sinned

[Éclairé]

There is such a thing as righteous anger Eclaire.:angel:

I followed up that post with more explanation.

[Bullheadangel811]

Jesus was perfect. He was the only perfect *human* to walk the earth.

[Snowy]

yes he was :)

[tetelestai]

i once heard an illustration that sums up my belief on this subject: sin is a gulf that seperates us from God. and Jesus is the bridge that connects us. for Jesus to be less than God would be to have a bridge broken on the far end, making it imossible to get all the way across. and if Jesus is not fully man its like having a bridge broken on our end.

i join with the saints in revelation in singing great and marvelouse are Your works, Lord God Almighty! Just and True are Your ways O King of the saints! Who shall not fear You, O Lord and Glorify Your name? For You alone are holy (reve 15:3,4)

as far as Jesus being better at everything than others i think thats a rather....silly idea. his purpose was not to win marathons or run faster than all the others or build the most beautiful buildings. God the Father gives gifts according to purpose and Jesus' purpose was redemption, so he was better than everyone else at redemption ;)

[Vinnie Paz]

Ah, Jesus Christ/, time for some act right/people get your facts right/cause Christ was not his name, that's greek for "one who is anoited"/yeshua was his name, do christians know this?/so who do you praise, do you know his name?/or do you do this is vain?/

[tetelestai]

i'm sorry, i dont understand the relevence to this here Vinnie.but this is my reply: i refer to him as Jesus (because that is what my bible says the angel told Mary to name him) and i call him Christ because christ is in reference to Messiah. and Jesus (biblically given name) is my Christ (my Messiah)

and truely, what is a name if i worship my Lord in spirit and in truth?

[GraceReborn]

Yep... PERFECT. End of discussion.

[Krishna_111]

Actually, I prefer not to believe that God became Jesus or whatever. I prefer to think that Jesus became God, and therefore anyone can achieve what Jesus did. I like to think this is the true meaning of following Christ.

[Rising Tree]

Read Luke 2. Jesus shows a case of doing the right thing in the wrong way, or in the words of verse 52, a lack of wisdom. He didn't sin; he just acted immaturely.

[thomas the tank engine]

Surely if Jesus had a "normal" childhood then this means that he grew into his perfection in later life; this seems a little odd to me, why would he suddenly switch into his role as a perfect being? Why not start out perfect and stay perfect? It all depends what you mean by perfect anyway. If you mean "without sin" then I think that Jesus was perfect, but if you mean "without flaw" then I disagree. As Rising Tree illustrates above, Jesus did not always act perfectly in the sense of having ultimate wisdom. Surely this does not preclude a sinless life though?

[ChrisB]

The Bible is largely silent on Jesus' early life, however Luke states that he obeyed the injunction to honour his mother and father

Luke 2

51Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.

As far as Jesus learning to be a carpenter is concerned, to make a mistake in doing something is not a sin, it is one's reaction to that mistake that is important.

[James Sez]

He didn't sin; he just acted immaturely.
I agree. I think could see him whining once in awhile when it was bedtime. That would not be wrong, just normal and immature.

[Bonhoffer]

Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent .

In both cases God/Jesus had good reasons to be violent. He was justified in punishing the Sinners in the old world and throwing over the tables in the Temple.

If I saw a man trying to rape a woman then I would be justified in knocking the man to the ground. It would not be a sin for me to protect this woman. In fact it would be a Sin not to.

[Ormo]

How do you define perfect?

I would say, as a Christian, that the definition of a perfect life is the life that Jesus lead. I mean He is God. God invented perfect.

[daydreamergurl15]

Jesus is God, God cannot sin it goes against his nature....

[daydreamergurl15]

Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect

It was outside the temple and the people were making money off others and lying to them. I'm not necessarily sure if you could call that violent b/c he took time to make the chain also it was so sinful there that God could not dwell in there anymore. Also, it wasn't recorded that Jesus hit anyone it was recorded that he drove those people out, over turning tables and such making money off his Father (God). How was the flood a mistake?

[DXRocker73]

Jesus was perfect in the sense that he was free from sin. But he had the weaknesses of a human though. He got hungry, sick, thirsty, tired. He was totally human, after all. But he commited no sin.

[HolySpiritWarrior]

Yes, he is and was perfect in every way or he wouldn't have been an acceptable sacrifice for our sins.
Love in Christ,
Erica

[Salvatore Gonzales]

Sinless.

I don't know what you mean by "perfect"?
Did he have diapers to be changed? --I'm sure of it.

[Eusebios]

Jesus Christ was in fact, perfect God and perfect man. True God of True God according to the Nicene Creed.I'm not exactly sure what the posters who refer to Luke 2 as illustrating Christ's use of poor judgement are referring to,:scratch: please enlighten me.
His unworthy servant,
Eusebios.
:bow:

[jive]

Jesus was perfect in the sense that he was free from sin. But he had the weaknesses of a human though. He got hungry, sick, thirsty, tired. He was totally human, after all. But he commited no sin.
yea what he said, good post:clap:

[KateBeckinsaleAdmirer]

Jesus was sinless as a child. That's pretty impressive, when you think about it!

[Kathy]

Yes,Jesus was perfect as a child and throughout his whole life.... Jesus was FREE from sin.....

[Heaven_Bound]

Jesus Was perfect from begining to his death.

[WestonParresia]

Yes, Christ was completely perfect... which is why all the prophesies were fulfilled through him as the messiah!

[Christ4Life]

if u have to ask ur self this question about "Was he a perfect man?" u obviously need stronger faith :(

[Christ4Life]

Sinless.

I don't know what you mean by "perfect"?
Did he have diapers to be changed? --I'm sure of it.

haha did they have diapers back then? :)

[ps139]

God is perfect and His perfection is not affected by time, space, or form.

[Wolflily]

Jesus IS perfect! Did He struggle with emotions and temptations, of course! But He didn't sin - He allowed Himself to experience the same temptations and struggles as we do to identify with us, and to show us there is nothing He can't help us overcome.

why do you think He sweated blood in Gethsemane, because He did not WANT to die this way but He said, "Your will be done, Father." His heart and emotions, ie: His humanity wanted one thing, but His will chose the right thing. Can you imagine how much courage that took? I think when we know "the story" for a long time, it loses it's subtlety and intensity, but if you really meditate on Jesus' life and death and resurrection, you really begin to see the beauty and incredible strength of our Lord. He is SO utterly amazing!!!!!!!!

[Glorianna]

Of course he was! Otherwise his death could not have atoned for our sins!

[Grace_of_God]

Jesus is God and God is perfect therefore that would make Jesus perfect (always and forever).

God bless,
~Grace~

[rua2j33]

To assume that Jesus was any less than perfect (durring any period of His life) is to assume that mistakes were made. I, for one, would not tell God that he was in error.

[TheMainException]

It depends on what is meant by "normal." I don't believe that he acted abnormal as a child, very well behaved, but I think that he joked around and things with his parents, but was very dedicated and knew much about the ways of the Lord, being god on earth.

[Grace_of_God]

"To assume that Jesus was any less than perfect (durring any period of His life) is to assume that mistakes were made. I, for one, would not tell God that he was in error."

Yes I agree completely!!

[Grace_of_God]

"but I think that he joked around and things"

Uhhh, I don't think joking around is a sin though, meaning He still wouldn't have done anything wrong......

[violetstar]

He was GOD, in the flesh of course he was perfect.

[Palatka44]

He is perfection personified.

[openup4christ]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
God never made mistakes GOD IS PERFECT perfection is Possible Flooding was caused because of mans sin and is a punishment like all bad things and. And there is a diffrence between rightouse anger and blind rage!!!!!!

[stillblessed]

the word says there was none perfect but him.,yes he was.,in the image of God

[tyberium]

Our Lord God was, is, ans always will be perfect

[SaintGeorge]

Doesn't the Bible even say that he was perfect? I think it does.:scratch:

[Irishcat922]

If you mean by perfect, sinless then yes he was perfect.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are yet without sin.

[Crispie]

If he wasnt I wouldnt be forgiven by God right now, because Jesus would not be the perfect sacrifice needed.

[DanielJamesSimon]

Yes, He was.

[Jennifer615]

The very basis of a Christian life is that Jesus lived a sinless life, and hence was able to die for our sins. He was the perfect, sacrificial lamb.

[theFijian]

If Christ was without sin (which I think we have established that he was/is) then how could he not be perfect?

Those who seem to be saying that he wasn't because of the clearing of the temple and the episode described in Luke 2 are approaching this from an entirely earthly and human point of view.

[Moros]

Yes.

[Dark_Adonis]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?I believe that Jesus was perfect as a child, though I think that Gnosticism would disagree with me, as well as Jesus being perfect in general... Wasn't there something on this on the history channel a while back, (
(around Easter)?

[PaladinGirl]

I'd have to say I'm not sure if Jesus was perfect or not. I don't even know for sure that he was sinless. The way he reacted to merchants in the temple seemed a little like rage rather than anger when I read it in my Bible. I think he could have handled that situation better. But I would definitely say that Jesus was a very good and moral person. He was human though and did have his faults.

[Faith In God]

I'd have to say I'm not sure if Jesus was perfect or not. I don't even know for sure that he was sinless. The way he reacted to merchants in the temple seemed a little like rage rather than anger when I read it in my Bible. I think he could have handled that situation better. But I would definitely say that Jesus was a very good and moral person. He was human though and did have his faults.
God has faults then :eek: wow...

[openup4christ]

God has faults then :eek: wow...

no he dosent that is caled righthouse anger if some one turns the temple of God into a PLACE of materalism than thats wronge Jesus has the right to clean up his fathers house.

[openup4christ]

if u are a christian u have have to believe the bible! the bible says that ONLY a perfect man could save us, if Jesus had sined then CHRISTIANITY IS A FALSE RELIGION AND JUDAISM IS THE ONLY to get saved. But Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. He is the holy lamb. Because he is perfect and died for us we are saved!

[openup4christ]

if u are a christian u have have to believe the bible! the bible says that ONLY a perfect man could save us, if Jesus had sined then CHRISTIANITY IS A FALSE RELIGION AND JUDAISM IS THE ONLY to get saved. But Jesus is the perfect sacrifice. He is the holy lamb. and because he is perfect we are saved!

[openup4christ]

:o oppes i said it twic I M sorry

[openup4christ]

:o oppes i said it twice

[Faith In God]

no he dosent that is caled righthouse anger if some one turns the temple of God into a PLACE of materalism than thats wronge Jesus has the right to clean up his fathers house.
:) dude, i was sarcastic. but anyway, Judaism actually is a legitimate way to gain salvation, as longjumping is a legitimate way to get across the grand canyon. you get my meaning?

[dshemcgd]

How could jesus not be perfect? If he wasnt then it would not have mattered if he died. We would still be where we were before he came, sacrificing animals.

[dshemcgd]

I'd have to say I'm not sure if Jesus was perfect or not. I don't even know for sure that he was sinless. The way he reacted to merchants in the temple seemed a little like rage rather than anger when I read it in my Bible. I think he could have handled that situation better. But I would definitely say that Jesus was a very good and moral person. He was human though and did have his faults.
are you serious :eek:
your on the wrong path

[Ashlynne]

I think Jesus was always perfect.

[Kathryn13]

Yes, Jesus is God. God is perfect. Therefore Jesus is, was and always will be perfect. "In the beginging was the WORD, and the WORD was GOD andthe WORD became flesh and dwelt among us."

[indeep]

I would say yes.

[PaladinGirl]

are you serious :eek:
your on the wrong path
Yes, I am serious. Suppose a Christian walked into a church Bingo event and started overthrowing the tables and throwing chairs around the room and stuff because they think that gambling is a sin. Doesn't that sound a little more like rage than "righteous anger" to you?

[Faith In God]

Yes, I am serious. Suppose a Christian walked into a church Bingo event and started overthrowing the tables and throwing chairs around the room and stuff because they think that gambling is a sin. Doesn't that sound a little more like rage than "righteous anger" to you?
so God is not perfect then.

[Faith In God]

Yes, I am serious. Suppose a Christian walked into a church Bingo event and started overthrowing the tables and throwing chairs around the room and stuff because they think that gambling is a sin. Doesn't that sound a little more like rage than "righteous anger" to you?
it was more like during a worship service, while everyone was gathered to pray to God in worship and in prayer for supplication, when a bunch of salesmen walk in and start their sales pitch about a designer string of church clothes.

[tanya88]

Jesus had no sin. He was perfect!!!!!

[Mr. Lunt]

2 Corinthians 5:21 - For He (God) made Him (Jesus) who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him (Jesus).

There you go; Jesus is sinless!

If He wasn't sinless, His death would not have been able to reconcile us (sinners) with God.

WORTHY IS THE LAMB!:bow:

[tweek821]

Jesus was the Son of God who was righteous and blameless. I believe he was perfect all of his life.

[Oblivious]

Yes Jesus was perfect. he was the spotless lamb and perfect sacrifice... otherwise how would we be saved but through his perfect blood???
I totally agree with you. God is perfect as was Jesus when He walked on this earth. If He wasn't then Christianity is a bunch of bull, which it isn't.

[faith by day]

Yes always! God created Jesus do be perfect for US, and to die on the cross of us. Jesus was/ and still is perfect, we was createdd that way to be a model for us, and teach us the right way of leave (leaving as God wants us to be)

[~Mrs. A2J~]

Jesus was without sin - perfect!

Sarah

[Touring3D]

Yes, he was. :)

[meg324]

Did Jesus throw a tantrum as a child? I don't know... but if He did, wouldn't it be considered a blameless action? Children do not know the difference between right and wrong, so it is not a sin to throw a tantrum in that sense.

Because my definition of "perfect" means "without sin" or "without fault" then I do believe that Jesus was perfect. If I am talking about a cake being perfect, I would say that b/c it was without fault. My definition of perfection may be different from yours, though!!
As far as Him throwing people out of the temple, tossing over tables, etc... Think of it this way. Is it a sin for us to discipline our children? Is it wrong for us to spank our kids or to punish them? No. In fact, in the Bible it states that we SHOULD discipline them. Jesus was just disciplining those who were doing wrong. To me, His tossing of tables was equivalent to me spanking my son's bottom. Both actions can be considered violent, but I do not think they are wrong. To lash out in a fit of anger without punishment or discipline IS wrong. If I were to BEAT MY CHILD or even spank him without reason, that would be wrong.

I am bothered by the comment that God is imperfect and fallible :( I respect that those of you who do believe this have the right to believe so... but I will jsut say that I disagree. We (humans) are fallible, WE are imperfect. That is why Jesus was sent here - to save us from ourselves, basically. There would have been no need for Him if we were perfect, and it would have been pointless to send someone else LIKE US (sinner, imperfect) to save us.

[atom_himi]

From what I have read in the Bible and come to an understanding. Jesus was pretty mellow as a kid. Of course as a kid He was still a kid. Though I cannot remember the verse, as a child Jesus did run off to the temple without telling His parents where he would be-"Didn't you know I'd be in My Father's house?" It also occures to me what he was doing in the temple was astounding the old men with His wisdom. In my experience, the wise are slow to anger and quick to understanding and compassion. It is my belief that Jesus experienced human emotions such as anger, sadness, happiness and all with due cause.

[Machin Shin]

Jesus = God

God = Perfection
therefore,

Jesus = Perfect

'nuff said

[Ryder]

He was perfect, still is, always will be. Now, who of us always knows what perfect is all the time?

[Krispy_Cream15]

he has always been perfect

[DeusAmante]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.I completely disagree. Jesus is perfect, He came to earth to set an example--AND to die for all sin. How could He even possibly do that without being perfect from the outset? God is a jealous God....it even says "Thou shalt not put any God's before me" and He threw the tables over in the temple because the people were selling sacrifices to other people. And it also says "the love of money is the root of all evil". So it made Christ angry. But there is a difference between our anger--and righteous anger. He got ANGRY over evil unrighteous acts that were going on in the temple. And as far as God floodign the earth in Noah's time that was also because the people were evil---and He was ridding the earth of evil-- except Noah--who found favor in God's eyes. But, I would do some research on that before saying that Jesus Christ was/is not perfect.

Have a good day

In His Grip,
Hannah :holy:

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

Any sin at any time makes a person sinful. If Jesus had sinned in childhood, then He would not be perfect.

[Faith In God]

From what I have read in the Bible and come to an understanding. Jesus was pretty mellow as a kid. Of course as a kid He was still a kid. Though I cannot remember the verse, as a child Jesus did run off to the temple without telling His parents where he would be-"Didn't you know I'd be in My Father's house?" It also occures to me what he was doing in the temple was astounding the old men with His wisdom. In my experience, the wise are slow to anger and quick to understanding and compassion. It is my belief that Jesus experienced human emotions such as anger, sadness, happiness and all with due cause.
...so do you think He sinned as a child? of course He was capable of emotions at all times. He was sad at times, stern, angry, the whole bit.

[MQTA]

Maybe it's good to not question some things, one may not like the answers they find.

[Machin Shin]

Any sin at any time makes a person sinful. If Jesus had sinned in childhood, then He would not be perfect. or perhaps it is a question of if children CAN sin, at certian ages? you shouldn't expect a 3 or 4 year old to know right from wrong? so perhaps Jesus was jsut like any normal kid? I'll have to ask God about this when I get upstairs:)

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

or perhaps it is a question of if children CAN sin, at certian ages? you shouldn't expect a 3 or 4 year old to know right from wrong? so perhaps Jesus was jsut like any normal kid? I'll have to ask God about this when I get upstairs:)
It's already in the Bible. Pslam 51:5

Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

[Machin Shin]

no, that refers to the Sin Nature that everyone is born with. it's genetic. it is passed down from father to children, and because Christ had no true earthly Father, he was sinless, and therefore perfect

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

no, that refers to the Sin Nature that everyone is born with. it's genetic. it is passed down from father to children, and because Christ had no true earthly Father, he was sinless, and therefore perfect
Exactly :thumbsup:

[Kristi1]

I voted ~> Yes of course He was....

Because without Jesus we would have No way to Heaven.. :amen:

[Faith In God]

Maybe it's good to not question some things, one may not like the answers they find.
ah, but if we are wrong, then it is good for us (and our character). but questioning things only makes you stronger in the truth if it is right.

[noellejoi]

I dont know.

[tsoovere]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
:preach: Jesus was without sin, not perfect. Now what does that mean? The Sin and sin are two different things. The Sin was the sin that got Adam kicked out of Eden. What was that? Not rebellion, but he chose himself and his wife over God. Adam was not decieved, Eve was. Adam instead choose to follow his wife instead of God. And that is the Sin. Jesus said "I do nothing but the will of thy father who sent me". There are two men in history that were made in God's image. Adam and Jesus. Everyone else was made in Adam's image. And by grace and because Jesus fullfilled God's entire will, we now have the feedom and ability to become made in God's image. I hope that helps us understand who Jesus was and what He did.

[Sacrifice]

I think Jesus was perfect, so I voted yes.

[Machin Shin]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect. I'd have to go with tsoovere on this one. I disagree with you 100%. God IS perfect, and you had better thank your lucky stars that he is, or you may have a nose in your shoe and a foot on your head, and that would be pretty strange, now wouldn't it? if you have any doubt that God is perfect, go talk to an astronomer. If the earth was a few feet off course one way or another, we would either, be ash, or ice cubes, or we may have even spun off into space by now.


"God is infinite, so His universe must be too. Thus is the excellence of God magnified and the greatness of His kingdom made manifest; He is glorified not in one, but in countless suns; not in a single earth, a single world, but in a thousand thousand, I say in an infinity of worlds."

- Giordana Bruno, 1584, "On the Infinite Universe and Worlds",
Burned to death by the Inquisition.


how could an imperfect being create something like that? how can an imperfect being create anything at all?

[_Zap_]

Yes.

[OhhhChung]

If Jesus wasn't perfect, then he wouldn't say "I Am".

[Faith In God]

:preach: Jesus was without sin, not perfect. Now what does that mean? The Sin and sin are two different things. The Sin was the sin that got Adam kicked out of Eden. What was that? Not rebellion, but he chose himself and his wife over God. Adam was not decieved, Eve was. Adam instead choose to follow his wife instead of God. And that is the Sin. Jesus said "I do nothing but the will of thy father who sent me". There are two men in history that were made in God's image. Adam and Jesus. Everyone else was made in Adam's image. And by grace and because Jesus fullfilled God's entire will, we now have the feedom and ability to become made in God's image. I hope that helps us understand who Jesus was and what He did.
So could you clarify this perfect and sinless conception?

[hopper]

Jesus could not have been the perfect lamb of God and atoning sacrifice for sin if he were not perfect.

[Faith In God]

Jesus could not have been the perfect lamb of God and atoning sacrifice for sin if he were not perfect.
:D wow. very nice point

[Machin Shin]

:amen:.

[reznwerks]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?=============
Not so fast on "we all agree" etc. There are several examples where Jesus fell short of the mark.



1. Jesus taught to that getting angry is considered a sin and even
punishable by hell {Matthew 5:21-22}.


yet there are many times in the Bible where Jesus vividly and loudly
displayed anger.




[Mark 3:5, Matthew 21:12-15; Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-47; John 2:13-17,
Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:12-14, Matthew 12:22-31; Mark 3:20-30, Matthew
11:22-24; Luke 10:13-15.]


2. The Gospel teaches to be honest [Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:22, John 8:44],
not to give false statements


Then we see Jesus doing just that, when Jesus was asked to go to Jerusalem,
Jesus told them that he would not be going, but then he later went secretly
to Jerusalem by himself ( John 7:2-10 ). (Note: the words "not yet"
which appear in some versions at John 7:8 are an editorial "emendation"
to the original text in an apparent effort to rectify the false
statement by Jesus.


During his hearing before the high priest, Jesus said: "I have spoken openly
to the world; I have -always- taught in the synagogues and in the temple,
where all Jews come together; I -never- spoke secretly" (John 18:20) This is in
direct conflict, to what we find elsewhere.




He taught on the "mount" (5:1-7:28), by the sea (Matthew 13:1), on the plain
(Luke 6:17-49), and in other places. To his disciples he said: "To you
has been given the -secret- of the kingdom of God, but for those outside
everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not

perceive, and indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn
about and be forgiven" (Mark 4:11-12).




3. John's Baptism was for the "Forgiveness of Sins"
Jesus was Baptized {Mark 1:4}





Furthermore, Jesus even claims to be a sinner according to the Bible;


"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
{Mark 10:18}

[The "J"]

Of course He was perfect!

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

=============
Not so fast on "we all agree" etc. There are several examples where Jesus fell short of the mark.



1. Jesus taught to that getting angry is considered a sin and even
punishable by hell {Matthew 5:21-22}.


yet there are many times in the Bible where Jesus vividly and loudly
displayed anger.




[Mark 3:5, Matthew 21:12-15; Mark 11:15-19; Luke 19:45-47; John 2:13-17,
Matthew 21:19; Mark 11:12-14, Matthew 12:22-31; Mark 3:20-30, Matthew
11:22-24; Luke 10:13-15.]


2. The Gospel teaches to be honest [Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:22, John 8:44],
not to give false statements


Then we see Jesus doing just that, when Jesus was asked to go to Jerusalem,
Jesus told them that he would not be going, but then he later went secretly
to Jerusalem by himself ( John 7:2-10 ). (Note: the words "not yet"
which appear in some versions at John 7:8 are an editorial "emendation"
to the original text in an apparent effort to rectify the false
statement by Jesus.


During his hearing before the high priest, Jesus said: "I have spoken openly
to the world; I have -always- taught in the synagogues and in the temple,
where all Jews come together; I -never- spoke secretly" (John 18:20) This is in
direct conflict, to what we find elsewhere.




He taught on the "mount" (5:1-7:28), by the sea (Matthew 13:1), on the plain
(Luke 6:17-49), and in other places. To his disciples he said: "To you
has been given the -secret- of the kingdom of God, but for those outside
everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not

perceive, and indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn
about and be forgiven" (Mark 4:11-12).




3. John's Baptism was for the "Forgiveness of Sins"
Jesus was Baptized {Mark 1:4}





Furthermore, Jesus even claims to be a sinner according to the Bible;


"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good-except God alone."
{Mark 10:18}
It all has to do with viewpoint. If I wanted to, I could find "mistakes" but if I wanted to, I could also destroy every mistake and make others understand them. To date, there has been no "imperfection" in the Bible not answered by someone. That should say a lot right there :)

[Bladecarver]

Yes.

[tsoovere]

So could you clarify this perfect and sinless conception?:scratch:I am not sure what you want me to clarify but I will try and explain what I mean. I believe Jesus was the perfect Son of God. I am sorry if what I said imply's otherwise. What I was trying to say that perfection by our standards (as oposed to God's) is not the issue. Jesus was sinless and perfect by God's standards because Jesus obeyed His father to the letter. He dotted the i's and crossed the t's. We imagine Jesus by our understanding as perfect to mean He never cried or never triped when learning to walk. But God's standards as perfect means Jesus was always at His father's business. Luke 2:49. And are we to judge Jesus' works by our standards or God's? Does that make more sense?

[Waterhouse]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?Being without sin and throwing a tantrum as a child are different things.

[k]

To question Jesus' perfection is to question our own Salvation. For if by His blood we are to be saved, well, scripture is very clear it had to be Perfect blood. If He was not perfect in every way, His crucifixion was for nothing...pretty scary thought, and I need another helping of humble pie! :-)

Peace

[Raithlin]

Luke 2:40 And the child grew and became strong; he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him.
The quote above is mentioned directly after the event in the temple courts with Simeon, which states Jesus' age at that time to be 8 days old. The next verse speaks of Jesus being 12 years old. So v40 encompasses Jesus' life from 8 days to around 12 years...

Interestingly enough, this is the only verse that even touches on Jesus' life as a child in the four gospels. "...he was filled with wisdom, and the grace of God was upon him." That says quite enough for me. God became Man - the perfect man. Of course, we could argue over what perfection is, but I believe He was perfect in every way that mattered for Him to be the perfect sacrifice. Did he tantrum? I don't know. We aren't told. Although I voted "Yes, of course he was", I actually think it does not matter. Two of the gospels begin with John the Baptist, and Matthew glosses over the childhood after detailing the birth of Christ.

My $0.02.

[princess_ballet]

Yes, of course he was.

[AdJesumPerMariam]

Yes!

[night2day]

Yes. Jesus is God. God doesn't sin.

[Qidron]

Welll, this post might get confusing.....but I'm thinkin he had a normal childhood....to the extent that he needed to be taught and corrected just like anyone else...but that is not imperfection...it's disobedience that moves a child into sin...and Jesus was sinless. IF he had been MY son, and he left the caravan to go talk with the elders back in Jerusalem and was missing for three days....I'd have had a hard time not being angry with him...probly why I wasn't chosen :amen: but that was obviously NOT SIN...(because it says that he was sinless) he was old enough to know the right thing to do, and his parents trusted him...they just didn't know where he was....so I don't call a normal childhood imperfect...unless normal includes sinfulness....in that case YES HE WAS PERFECT. Did anyone understand that???

[meg324]

totally understood it :)

You cannot sin if you are not taught the difference between right & wrong? Is that what your point was? and then about him going to the temple without telling... well, just because his earthly parents were worried and upset doens't mean that he did anything wrong... besides that the Bible said he was without sin.
Who would be able to save us FROM sin if He were not sinless?

[Niko]

of course He was perfect. But he was 100% man and 100% human. Its not like He and His family never fought. The had struggles and conflicts, but that doesnt mean he sinned.

[ChristianGirlNY]

I'm not sure but now I gess he was perfect

[RU4GVN]

Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions...
WELL SAID! I totally agree with everything you said here. :thumbsup:

[SuperSmart]

He was always perfect, because wasn't he the only person to walk on this Earth without commiting a sin?

[Merulotte]

I believe Jesus was always perfect, as He is part of the Holy Trinity, and the son of God, so... Really, you'd expect Him to be flawless in nature, no? Not much of a reason, I guess, but it works for me.

[Gwynne]

My first thought is "what is perfection in a child?" Children are as close to perfection as humans get! After childhood it just goes downhill.

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

My first thought is "what is perfection in a child?" Children are as close to perfection as humans get! After childhood it just goes downhill.
Indeed. While they sin, they do humbly accept the truth, and have very simple faith :)

[brinny]

Indeed He was perfect or He could not have been the sacrifice for us on the cross.

[okiemommy26]

yes

[El_Ayin]

Jesus is the son of God.

Of course He was perfect from birth.

[Izzy23]

yes.

[God'sgal]

I believe Jesus was without sin, but I don't think a baby throwing a tantrum is a sin, it's just being a baby. Likewise, I don't think chopping the wrong piece of wood is a sin. If you mean, did everything perfectly, I don' t think so, because he was all man, if you mean without sin, then yes, because he was all God.

[johnny_redeemed]

Yes

[johnny_redeemed]

no, I dont know.

[Neal]

Maybe in His spirit... or soul, however you distinguish the two... but physically? Well, He died, physically. So no, I'm thinking He wasn't perfect that way. He got hungry and all when He went into the wilderness.

[no_worries]

Way back from page one...I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.How can you believe that Jesus was a good man? I don't see how that's possible... There are only really three possibilities:
1) Lunatic
Jesus was stark raving mad, he should have been locked up in a strait jacke b/c he was nutzo on the same level as someone thinking they're a turnip

2) Liar
Jesus was a con artist, liar, and blasphemer claiming to be the Messiah and the begotten Son of God knowing he wasn't

3) Lord
He was who he claimed to be and He came to Earth to die for all the sins of mankind and rose on the third day

I personally think that option number 3 is the only real possibility. If he hadn't lived a sinless life and had claimed to then I guess that would falsify the Bible and fall under number 2... but I quite certain that's the case.

[Mimi]

I'll bet he was a normal child.....;)

[brinny]

If He was not perfect He could not have been the perfect sacrifice to take away our sins and reunite us with our Father. Only the One Who was sinless before conception, after birth, and all the way up to His death on the cross could meet such requirements.

Jesus met them. He was born to die for this purpose. And His dying would've been in vain if He would've ever sinned.

[GodFlute2]

The Bible said that he was without sin. Meaning no sin at all.

[Steve_SandbachBaptist_UK]

I'm a bit late to this debate. But if he were not perfect how could he have saved us? So I voted "yes". :)

Steve

[Carl Rapel]

it is a tough question but of course he was! He unlike normal children was 100% God and 100% human. God cannot sin so... he was 100% perfect as a child..

[Abiel]

'Perfect' meaning 'complete', as a person is supposed to be as in His command to his followers 'be perfect'

[cbalke]

i believe Jesus never sinned. if He had, He wouldn't have been able to be the PERFECT sacrifice for us....

[Faith In God]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes :wave: Word of advice: don't judge God. You'll get stoned for a faulty cause not worth suffering for. ;)

[Terie]

If one doens't believe Jesus was without sin then they need to think all that He said was a lie. If he was a "good man" then he lied because He said He was the son of God.

Babies do not sin. They don't know the difference from right and wrong so therefore they can not sin.

Jesus "fashioned" a whip in the temple. Do you have any idea how long that takes? He didn't go off 1/2 cocked. He sat and fashioned a whip before He corrected those {the money changers in the Temple} that needed it.

Jesus was fully a man as He walked the earth but He never stopped being God. God can not sin.

[EastBaySaint]

Yes of course He IS
It's in the bible, which I believe in all my heart to be the truth!:)
Deut. 32:4
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he.
2 Sam. 22:31
"As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is flawless. He is a shield for all who take refuge in him.

Just a few

:preach:

[Colabomb]

He Never Ever Ever Ever Ever Sinned

[Belinda]

Maybe children can not compeltly sin anyway,coz they dont understand the whole concept, so if jesus as a child did say throw something or throw a tantrem, its not like he would of known any better so maybe wouldnt of counted as a sin

[jbgordon]

If he wasnt always perfect then that would make him just like us, and he never could have made the pure sacrifice that he did.

[chaplainjared]

God is perfect. Jesus was GOD. Jesus was perfect. How could the son of God Sin? How then would he be able to take away our sins?

[bubblefish]

Jesus was and is perfect...Every day on earth from the time of his birth to the time of his death and reserection

[LovesOfMyLife]

Jesus was the epitome of "good." To call Him "good" is an understatement. He was beyond "good." He was perfect, never had a slip, never failed His Father. Otherwise, He would never have been a Perfect Lamb (sacrifice) for our sins.

[ClaireZ]

Yes, he had no sin nature, to even lead/tempt him to sin.

[Storygirl394]

That's a bit of a tricky question, y'know!

I guess, he probably was a perfect child. I mean, he led a perfect LIFE, which would include childhood. He was the "spotless lamb of God"... (An' I'm awful glad He was, too!) ;)

I figure he probably cried... I mean, it IS sinful for a toddler to throw a fit, but is it sinful for a tiny infant to cry when his needs aren't met? It's not so much selfishness as his only way to communicate!

[LondonsBurning]

The fact that Jesus lived a perfect life is essential to Christian theology. I'm not talking about temptation and posse non peccare, but if Jesus had ever sinned, even in youth, it would invalidate him as the perfect lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.

[Bemiah_Angel]

yes I belive Jesus was always perfect

[Miss Spaulding]

I agree that Jesus was and is perfect.

[lost_and_found]

Pist, Jesus was the Word made Flesh. Jesus was perfect in every way. Who is man to question God's actions? You are Pist, I am Bevlina, God is God.:angel:

God is perfect. The Word made flesh is in the form of a man, but not man in essence. Jesus was perfect as a child, is and always will be perfect. To say anything else is blasphemy. Bevlina, you hit it on the head :)

[Belinda]

well technically was Jesus ever really a child? if he was God, maybe he would of been a man but in a childs body,m since he was God. ugh that doenst make sense lol

[Beanface]

Amen to that - Jesus is/was the perfect son of God

[faller_g]

i think he was perfect- no sin. But he may have chopped the wrong piece of wood, but this is not a sin~

[Eternal Mindset]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.
If someone turned my church into a market place, I wouldn't hesitate to kick them out forcefully.

[samUNit7]

hey! well, i'd just like to say that Jesus was perfect, even when He was a child (He knew more than the Pharisees and the teachers of the law - temple in Jerusalem)...the only time when He might have been imperfect was during the few hours He hung on the cross (Jesus bore all sins, past, present and future)...hope this is a satisfactory answer...(yes?)

~Sam

[EnlightenedWitness]

I can't vote on this one because you're using the word "perfect" in the wrong sense here. Jesus was perfect in the eyes of the Lord -- that means he had no sin. That doesn't mean he's perfect in the way that human view it (no temper tantrums) -- that doesn't really equate into the perfectness of Christ.

[Bizzlebin Imperatoris]

I can't vote on this one because you're using the word "perfect" in the wrong sense here. Jesus was perfect in the eyes of the Lord -- that means he had no sin. That doesn't mean he's perfect in the way that human view it (no temper tantrums) -- that doesn't really equate into the perfectness of Christ.

We don't know He had tantrums ;)

[die2live]

Jesus was always perfect. He was always God. He didn't become God when he turned thirty. In this, I mean that he didn't sin. I'm sure he fell down and scraped up his knees and his diapers most likely had to be changed. But he lived a sinless life.

[Revelations 22:20]

Jesus was the only perfect man.

[cbalke]

If someone turned my church into a market place, I wouldn't hesitate to kick them out forcefully.

i've always been told this is a misinterperatation. Jesus wasn't necessarily mad at them for selling things, He was mad because they were cheating the people. They were selling things the people could use to sacrifice for their sins and were charging outrageous amounts for them...they were making money off the people's desire to atone for their sins.

[LadyCoyote_Fin]

Yes, of course... He was perfect because He was sinless.

LC

[BubblesRelena]

Perfect in who's eyes? God may have a different definition of "perfect" than we do...

[Yawehdog137]

Of course He was, no duh.

[AliveInChrist]

If by "perfect" you mean He led a sinless life, then yes.

It says in Hebrews 4:15 that "we have one (Jesus) who has been tempted in every way, just as we are–yet was without sin."

[Raheelah]

yes Jesus was perfect as a child, but i think He had a normal childhood, but again think He did know that He was special :) ;) :D :cool: :P :wave: :thumbsup: :amen: :clap: :hug: :preach: :prayer: :groupray: :bow: :angel:

[brinny]

yes

[Lordismyobsession16]

Jesus was perfect....Just because.

[ysl_75]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?
No matter what Jesus Christ had done in the childhood must be a reason. Because He is the Son of God!

[Saruman]

Jesus was a perfect man, so I guess He was a perfect child

[brinny]

yes

[MQTA]

In short, all we know about the events in the life of Jesus is this:
Jesus hailed from Nazareth, a small town in Galilee. We know nothing of his life before he started his public ministry. He preached initially in the small towns and villages of Galilee. He had some followers, thought the exact number is uncertain. His teachings, while radical, did not seem to involve a repudiation of Jewish laws. He came to Jerusalem with his disciples, was arrested and crucified. His disciples fled after he was arrested.


I recently read this. This is all we really know for SURE, everything else was written about him after he was gone. So we don't really know about any "Always" questions. Everything else is just conjecture.

[~ Gig ~]

Yes

[disciple73]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

God first of all, IS PERFECT in all respects. Yes, God became Jesus and He had tantrums but in the same respect, that is like saying that God is love, but he can't get disappointed and angry. God even says in His word that the wrath of God will flow to everyone who does not accept the free gift of God. In essence, love comes about sometimes by discipline, or in some eyes, anger.

When your parents discipline you, sometimes they get angry, but they still love you the same, but they have to set an example, and have to teach you a lesson through discipline. God IS PERFECT.

And on the issue of God starting this world over has nothing to do with God not being perfect. God has to discipline this world for their actions. God knows what everyday will bring, but He allows us to make wrong choices in order to teach you a lesson or for some othyer reason that He has. But it is not our decision to call the shots for God. But I can tell you this much, God is PERFECT...

[brinny]

YESSSSS!!!!!!!! :clap:

[BillR]

Amen,Amen,Amen he was perfect:thumbsup:

[88Devin07]

Yes, God is perfect, he has never, ever made mistakes. Yes he caused the flood, but that was to purify the Earth and send a warning to sinners. However he DOESN'T cause the modern natural disasters like floods, fires, tornados, hurricanes, and yes, not even tsumanis.

God is the CREATER of everything that has ever existed, he is perfect. He has done no wrong, will never do any wrong and is completely perfect. God doesn't simply, "mess up". If he did, then he wouldn't be God. God is A LOT more than just some entity that creates humans, helps us, judges us, creates everything, etc... He IS in everything, he is everywhere, he is everlasting, he never dies, never is born, he has ALWAYS existed. He created an infinite universe. God IS the Great Almighty, the Great Creator, God is as he put it... "I AM"
I'm only 16 years old (almost 17) and I already understand the infinite powers and purpose of God. God is the great I AM and he will always BE.
Some people, it may take some thought, but if you study scripture, and pray to the Great Father, he will help you understand his very vast powers and greatness, if only a little. We can't fully comprehend God and never will until we are with him for eternity.

May God Bless...

[FoundInGrace]

yes, he always did the will of the father and the fullness of the Holy Spirit dwelt in him.
thats perfect, i couldn't serve a God who wasn't perfect.

[ischus]

interesting poll...too bad the results are not public (as to who voted for what).

[Waylon]

If by "perfect" you mean He led a sinless life, then yes.

It says in Hebrews 4:15 that "we have one (Jesus) who has been tempted in every way, just as we are–yet was without sin."

exactly...
Psalms 18:30 "As for God, His way is perfect! The word of the Lord is tested and tried; He is a shield to all those who take refuge and put their trust in Him."

[Tanyalita]

I'm not really sure. I'd assume he'd have learning to do since he was a child, and he would make mistakes. But in the sense of without sinning, yes, I think he was perfect.

[Alexander Nissi]

I believe Jesus was perfect but how do you defend him when people say that we can't know if he was perfect or not because it says in the bible that he went through everything that a normal man goes through but a few things that normal people go through(eg sexual temptation,theft) the bible doesn't give any proof he went through them?~Alec

[PSETranslator]

I believe he did not sin at all.

[traviscatholic12]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
Jesus was more than man, he was GOD! With God all things are possible. Jesus was perfect. Without sin, perfection, is impossible for normal humans. Jesus wasn't normal. And if he did sin, then his sacrifice on the cross would be all for naught, because his blood would be tainted with sin. His sacrifice washes us clean, due to the perfection of it. His sinlessness is what makes the sacrifice worth it all.

[88Devin07]

God is absolutely perfect, to say that God is not perfect and that perfection is impossible is completely untrue and is well, (forgive me mods) heresy.

God IS GOD, there is NOTHING else in the ENTIRE universe and anywhere that is like God.
God was never created, and will never die (as being God, not including when he was incarnate in Jesus). God can do anything he wants, he has UNLIMITED abilities and unlimited love.

Also, he said he will never use a flood to wipe out humans again. He NEVER said floods would stop. Also, God doesn't cause floods, or natural disasters, he only caused a couple.
The last time evil will be elminated on Earth is by fire.

Also, you have a VERY VERY VERY skewed view of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. He NEVER hurt anyone in purifying the temple. What he did, was overturned the tables, money changers, animal cages, because humans turned his house into a marketplace and a "den of theives"

Yes, Jesus was human, but he was still entirely God.

[Troll Doll]

I say Jesus was perfect from birth, and he did no wrong in the Temple throwing out the money changers. "Be angry and sin not." being angry is not a sin. It is what you do with that anger that could be sin.

[88Devin07]

When anger transforms to hate for someone or something is when it's a sin, and when you hurt someone or something is when it's a sin.

God has been angry, yet mournful several times because of our sins...

When he sat on the donkey at the Mount of Olives, he weeped and mourned for Jerusalem, yet at the same time was angry because the people (mainly the Pharisee's) wouldn't welcome the great love and sacrifice he had to bring.

When he started the flood, he was mournful yet also angry at man for their sinful ways.

Same with Soddom and Gomorrah, angry yet mournful at the same time.

He at no one time turned his anger into hate. Think of God's anger as being out of love. He loves us so much, but is so sad and angered when we do things against him.

Remember, when he purified the temple, it was because the people there turn HIS house into a marketplace and a place for making money rather than giving of offerings and praising of God.

The temple at that time, held money changers, you weren't allowed to use Roman money in the temple, and thus the money changers would exchange your Roman money for "Jewish" money, sometimes instituting a fee for doing so.
Also, they would go into the fields and other places and find "sacrifices", more than often they were unpure and were sick or hurt. They would sell you these unclean animals to sacrifice to God, and of course, if you remember, God didn't recognize Cain for his unpure (and not to mention just being for self redemption and not soley for God) sacrifices.

God saw this and thus purified the temple the first time (way way back before the passion week) and then the 2nd time during the passion week, and the 3rd time on the cross. (remember, his body was the ultimate temple)

[ilovechrist2005]

i said yes because the bible said that he was perfect

[HotRhymez]

I believe he was perfect when he was an adult...but as a child I am not 100% sure, the Bible does not say.

[JOE__LHF]

Born to lead the world.

[traviscatholic12]

God is absolutely perfect, to say that God is not perfect and that perfection is impossible is completely untrue and is well, (forgive me mods) heresy.

God IS GOD, there is NOTHING else in the ENTIRE universe and anywhere that is like God.
God was never created, and will never die (as being God, not including when he was incarnate in Jesus). God can do anything he wants, he has UNLIMITED abilities and unlimited love.

Also, he said he will never use a flood to wipe out humans again. He NEVER said floods would stop. Also, God doesn't cause floods, or natural disasters, he only caused a couple.
The last time evil will be elminated on Earth is by fire.

Also, you have a VERY VERY VERY skewed view of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ. He NEVER hurt anyone in purifying the temple. What he did, was overturned the tables, money changers, animal cages, because humans turned his house into a marketplace and a "den of theives"

Yes, Jesus was human, but he was still entirely God.
Good point. I don't like it when people say, " look at the tsunami, God doesn't love them?" You have to understand, God just lets nature take it's course. It's not like he sits up there in Heaven and says, " Hmmmm, today, an earthquake, tommorow a tornadoe, maybe a hurricane on Thursday." It doesn't work like that. God just lets nature happen. Even though we'd like to think that God would stop a flood or something, I don't really think he does, I think nature is just going to take it's course and God doesn't really stop it from happening. Now, there are miracles, and people survive floods, and natural disasters, but that's just because it's not their time.

[Faith In God]

I believe he was perfect when he was an adult...but as a child I am not 100% sure, the Bible does not say.
Time does not forgive sin. If Jesus sinned at any point in life, He would not be perfect.

[88Devin07]

Exactly, the Bible DOES NOT have to say something literally for it to be true. It never literally says Jesus appears before the New Testament, yet we know he does, (as the Son, and of course, as YHWH too).

It never says John was in his early teenage years, but from context and other Biblical statements, we understand he was in his early teenage years... (like during the last supper, he was leaning on Jesus and was the one asking the questions, during passover, this was always the youngest person in the house) and he managed to beat Peter to Jesus' tomb, but didn't go in.

The Bible doesn't have to say something for it to be true. However we KNOW the Bible says that Jesus NEVER sinned. NEVER means NEVER.

[Letalis]

Yes, Jesus was perfect as a child and as an adult.

[Lithium Hobo]

No, he was a normal person, a wise man with many good morals (not all correct), but a human all the same. With flaw and with correction.

And no, we dont' ALL agree he was perfect as a man. :\

[Mister_mag00]

Being the son of God he must have been perfect if we believe God is perfect.Since Jesus is God he must be perfect!

[88Devin07]

Lithium, all of us agree who actually believe and know about the Lord, no one expects non-christians to believe Jesus was perfect, because they don't follow the Bible or God's Word.

Read Psalm 14:1...

How can we rely on someone who doesn't know the slightest about the Bible or even Jesus himself.

And atheist telling ppl about Christianity is like an Abortionist telling ppl about pre-birth (life in a baby before it leaves the womb) life in a baby. Or like asking a high school dropout to solve the theory of relativity.

(Mods, take note, I'm just stating that he is talking about something he doesn't know about, I have nothing against atheists)

[Lithium Hobo]

Lithium, all of us agree who actually believe and know about the Lord, no one expects non-christians to believe Jesus was perfect, because they don't follow the Bible or God's Word.

Read Psalm 14:1...

How can we rely on someone who doesn't know the slightest about the Bible or even Jesus himself.

And atheist telling ppl about Christianity is like an Abortionist telling ppl about pre-birth (life in a baby before it leaves the womb) life in a baby. Or like asking a high school dropout to solve the theory of relativity.

(Mods, take note, I'm just stating that he is talking about something he doesn't know about, I have nothing against atheists)

I'd rather not cause a fight, so this will be brief, and would rather have it in PM, but this should be put aface for all to know. I am an atheist, but not by blind choice. I was a Christian, from birth to confirmation. I was taught the bible and still am being taugh. I study it. I read it. I disect it. So at least then, when I am still an atheist, I know I did right in choosing to be who I am by knowing fully why and have 100% sureness to my decision.

And in closing, asking a Christian about the 'perfection' of Jesus is 'odd' (considering your stance with your examples) because of the biased leway towards the obvious answer. Just because someone is in one group does not mean they know nothing of the opposite and/or seperate.

Good day, sir.

[mycatspice]

Is that a real question? How would one think He was anything but perfect? :confused:

[Lithium Hobo]

Is that a real question? How would one think He was anything but perfect? :confused:

Dunno how I do it, but I do.

[Tanyalita]

Dunno how I do it, but I do.

So you don't have an actual reason for believing he isn't perfect?

[Lithium Hobo]

So you don't have an actual reason for believing he isn't perfect?

I was trying to keep it simple, to avoid controversy, yet still present my opinon, but I suppose I failed.

I do not believe he was perfect because he was human. Even if he was the literal son of a supposed god, he wasn't perfect. He was a carpenter, correct? You think from birth he knew exactly how to cut and shape wood? No, he had to learn. Hense, he couldn't do it it without previous study, which is human.

If you want to look at it as he was the messiah, then consider what the pope said. "To err is human. To forgive is divine." For Jesus's time on earth, he was both man and god, so though he was divine with his forgiveness, he was human with his errors, which were made undoubtedly.

Whatever the case. Jesus wasn't perfect, in my humble opinon.

[underOATH!]

Of course he was!

[underOATH!]

I was trying to keep it simple, to avoid controversy, yet still present my opinon, but I suppose I failed.

I do not believe he was perfect because he was human. Even if he was the literal son of a supposed god, he wasn't perfect. He was a carpenter, correct? You think from birth he knew exactly how to cut and shape wood? No, he had to learn. Hense, he couldn't do it it without previous study, which is human.

If you want to look at it as he was the messiah, then consider what the pope said. "To err is human. To forgive is divine." For Jesus's time on earth, he was both man and god, so though he was divine with his forgiveness, he was human with his errors, which were made undoubtedly.

Whatever the case. Jesus wasn't perfect, in my humble opinon.


I'm not trying to offend you or anyone else but if you are Athiest then why are you posting on this tread? I thought Athiests didn't believe in Jesus. And again no offense and if I did offend you, I'm sorry. Not trying to cause any trouble.

[Faith In God]

I was trying to keep it simple, to avoid controversy, yet still present my opinon, but I suppose I failed.

I do not believe he was perfect because he was human. Even if he was the literal son of a supposed god, he wasn't perfect. He was a carpenter, correct? You think from birth he knew exactly how to cut and shape wood? No, he had to learn. Hense, he couldn't do it it without previous study, which is human. However, it is not human to be able to know a stranger's past. Christ was human, but God at the same time. Perfect, in this case and to avoid much argument, means without sin.

[88Devin07]

Yes he knew how to cut wood all along, however, Jesus NEVER used his abilities to make his life as a human easier. He could have sat floating in the air and using his abilities to craft the most beautiful carvings and furniture, but, he chose to take on his burden.

He could have called thousands of angels and save himself from the cross, but he didn't. He chose to carry on the burden of being God incarnate, our savior. He chose to go through all of the suffering he had to go through to be our savior.

He could have transported himself going from the Sea of Galilee to Jerusalem, yet he didn't. He chose to take on the full burden of sweat, exhaustion, dehydration, thirst, hunger, etc...

[Peke Utchoo]

Of course Christ is perfect. If He wasn't, He wouldn't be God!

[rachewil15]

He had to be!

[jesusfreak22]

ABSOLUTLY!! It says in the bible, "Jesus could do no wrong."

[Colabomb]

ABSOLUTLY!! It says in the bible, "Jesus could do no wrong."
Basic of the Christian faith, Christ is, was, and will always be perfect.

[Spoken•For]

I believe He was always perfect.

Even as a child I'm sure He knew what He had to do and who He was... so I doubt that He would have done anything that would've made him dubbed with sin.

He experienced the thoughts and emotions of all things but never acted upon them and therefore never sinning.

If He would've had one spot on Him (one sin), He would have therefore been put away from being our only Sacrifice.

[AvgJoe]

As a child, did Jesus ever throw a tantrum or do a task incorrectly? When the Bible is silent on an issue, we must not make an assumption either way. We do know that the Bible says that Jesus was sinless. That would mean that He was sinless as a child too. So, any mishaps that may or may not have happened to Jesus as a child, did not cause Him to sin.

[Melly Monster]

Jesus is perfect Jesus is the God the son, God has three parts, God the father (Which is our heavenly father) God the son ( The man who died on the cross to save our souls) and God the Holy Spirt ( The one who lives in our hearts). So of Course he is perfect, can you be in 3 places at one time? No of course not only he can but the thing about him he is in more then 3 places, everyone who has excepted him has him in there hearts.

[HolyGuardianAngels]

JESUS was, is and always will be perfect!!

JESUS is GOD and God is perfect.
God cannot sin or lie!
Sin is an imperfection in humans,
therefore, imperfection is a sin.


And little children, lie.
But we know God cannot lie...
And that Lucifer is the father of all lies.

[kimthi]

of course he was. Jesus was perfect when he was a child and still is

[GEO4CHRIST]

Jesus was perfect, he was God in human form.:preach:

[Taf]

I say Yes, becuse it says so in the Bible.

[runner_for_jc]

He was Always! perfect! And he will always be!
Jordan Gibson*24

[Bledsoe2]

Jesus has always been perfect!



Please reply :cool:

[Woody]

I think he was.....

Like in the song "Away in a manger"

"..... the little Lord Jesus, no crying me makes" --->> perfect baby even!

[*Lana*]

Yes Jesus was a perfect child. Except when he went to the synaygoue to preach to others,Joseph and Mary(his parents) were trying to find him and apparently Jesus didn't tell him where he was going, but to me now days when a teen goes somewhere without telling their parents, thats a sin. But, teaching people the Word of God is a different story in my opinion. If Jesus was going to a party with people and drinking and being stupid yea he would of been guilty of sin, but he wasn't guilty as far as I am concerned. So yes I believe Jesus was a perfect child. :)

[Colabomb]

Yes Jesus was a perfect child. Except when he went to the synaygoue to preach to others,Joseph and Mary(his parents) were trying to find him and apparently Jesus didn't tell him where he was going, but to me now days when a teen goes somewhere without telling their parents, thats a sin. But, teaching people the Word of God is a different story in my opinion. If Jesus was going to a party with people and drinking and being stupid yea he would of been guilty of sin, but he wasn't guilty as far as I am concerned. So yes I believe Jesus was a perfect child. :)
Jesus is Perfect and Sinless, now and forever.

[Mal2]

again, i look loningly for a "he didn't exist, so whether he was good or not is irrelivant" option

[Kira Yamato]

again, i look loningly for a "he didn't exist, so whether he was good or not is irrelivant" option

You don't believe that Jesus existed. They had records in Roman times that Jesus existed.

[GoldenStorm]

Yes, Jesus was perfect. He was all man, but He was all God, too, and God can never sin.

[leigh01]

jesus is sinless and always be perfect in my owse

[Faith In God]

again, i look loningly for a "he didn't exist, so whether he was good or not is irrelivant" option
You won't find it. :) 1st of all, He existed (Josephus, the Talmud, and other chronicles(not to mention the Bible, of course). 2nd of all, it is more relevant to all of humanity than you know. If you would read the bible with a humble and teachable heart, then God would open up the truth of the bible to you.

[Illuminite]

Jesus is God.Yes,He was perfect.Childhood or other wise,was he a perfect little kid? He fell,He probably cried,He developed.But this is all a bigger plan here.God and Jesus are one.Simply,He was perfect because He is the Holy Spirit.

[GEO4CHRIST]

Yes

[reformedfan]

Parents tend to hold up the oldest as the siblings' example, can you imagine the pressure His lil bros & sis' faced!?! He probably got beat up all the time by them.

[baller_4_jc]

Jesus has always been perfect!


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[maylu_roll]

He didnt sin, that sounds perfect to me!

[Richard]

He didnt sin, that sounds perfect to me!

It sounds perfect to me too :) :amen:

[Ant21]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.

I think it was cool!
In the same way that if a man returned home from work to find robbers stealing from his wife and kids and then continues to throw those robbers out of his house. Is he right to throw them out? YES!
Has he committed any wrong thing by throwing them out? NO! Of cause not!
Is he justified? YES!
Should he just stand by and watch these people steal from his family? Definatly not!!!!!

[Ant21]

I think it was cool!
In the same way that if a man returned home from work to find robbers stealing from his wife and kids and then continues to throw those robbers out of his house. Is he right to throw them out? YES!
Has he committed any wrong thing by throwing them out? NO! Of cause not!
Is he justified? YES!
Should he just stand by and watch these people steal from his family? Definatly not!!!!!

ah, man, it's like you can read my mind that's exactly what I think! I was even going to youse the same analegy! How weird is that?

[Ginsu]

Perrfect as in?? Perfect free from sin, I believe.

But in other areas like if He tried to shoot for the basket in basketball I bet He would miss a few times. :D

[Richard]

If Basketball was around during His time :P

[LisaWolf]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

The Bible says "To be angery and sin not" Jesus didn't sin when he got angry at the people in the temple.

[LisaWolf]

I'm not sure on this one, I believe he was perfect, but there is no record of Jesus's child hood. There are thoughs and theroy's on it, but I don't think any of them are accort.

[LisaWolf]

My first thought is "what is perfection in a child?" Children are as close to perfection as humans get! After childhood it just goes downhill.

That is true. I believe the Bible touchs on that. "We should all approch the father with the innocent of a child" errr... ummm... well something like that. :blush: I don't remember just how it goes.

But it also said

"Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not for such in the Kingdom of Heaven"

>.> I really should of voted Yes on this one.

[Cornell]

Hi PGIRL. We are created in God's image. God has emotions and anger is one of them. Anger is not a sin. Jesus was angry because they turned the temple into a thief's cesspool. God didn't make a mistake in sending the flood. It was us humans who made the mistake and brought sin into a perfect world. He gave us a free will. We chose to sin. And yes, God is absolutely perfect. The Bible describes God in this way.