Was Jesus always perfect?

[Richard]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

I don't understand what the world is coming to, when we as christians are saying God was not perfect. This poll is slowly getting to me and it's just sad that if people are making these statements, it tells me they do not read the Bible and if they do they are twisting words of it. This is really sad.

[JimO]

I do not believe God was at all perfect... Your definition of "perfect" is clearly flawed based on your post. Besides, Jesus is perfect by definition. We are all imperfect in comparison, by definition.

[Richard]

Your definition of "perfect" is clearly flawed based on your post. Besides, Jesus is perfect by definition. We are all imperfect in comparison, by definition.

:amen:

[LisaWolf]

Jesus became Angry because in his times people where selling "Salvation" through the selling of doves and animals for sacrifice, and he came as the perfect Salvation for our sins through his shed blood.

Jesus did teach openly in the temples but he also taught elsewhere, But was rejected...

Some scripters:

John 1:1-3 and Vs 10 and 14
He did not have to attain Godhood as he is already god.

Isaiah 53:1-12

1 Peter: 2:2 - 22

Ephesian: 4:26 Be ye angry and sin not.

I know I stated Ephesian 4:26 before, but I felt it should be stated again. Also you have to consider the times Jesus live in as well.

[Richard]

So, are you saying that Jesus was perfect ?

Cause I think you are, but not sure.

[Ynde]

Define perfect. This has probably already been said, but what we consider to be a "perfect" child is not the same as a child who is free of sin. An apparently "perfect" child, who never makes a mess, never fusses, never whines or screams or asks embarassing questions might be a perfectly poisonous little brat on the inside, and just have found "good behavior" to be the best way to manipulate adults.

Did Jesus sin as a child? No. Did he ask Mary "why is that man so fat" or some other embarassing question in a loud voice because he simply didn't know any better? Probably. I really don't like the line in the carol "Away in a Manger" that says, "but little Lord Jesus no crying He makes." This implies that crying is somehow wrong, which is silly. Crying is the only way a baby can express unhappiness, discomfort, tiredness, or hunger. Certainly nothing sinful about that.

(As you can probably tell from reading this message, I don't really believe in an "age of accountability"--or at least, I believe it comes a whole lot earlier than most people who do believe that think.)

[*-The-Elusive-Chicken-*]

Was Jesus perfect...? DUH.

[someone_else]

i dont think it implies crying is wrong just that he did not cry

[Richard]

He was a silent as a lamb :)

[mycatspice]

Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever."

The answer is obvious, Jesus was always perfect. To think otherwise would (by definition) be against the teachings of Christianity. Simply put, if you believe that Christ was imperfect at any point in His life would mean that you are not a Christian. :(

[Pentecostal Boy]

I will say nothing more but look at the bible

[Pentecostal Boy]

:banned:

[Pentecostal Boy]

It would be blasphemey to think otherwise

[Morning Dove]

Jesus was perfect. I won't be able to believe anything different on that.

[MQTA]

I don't understand what the world is coming to, when we as christians are saying God was not perfect. This poll is slowly getting to me and it's just sad that if people are making these statements, it tells me they do not read the Bible and if they do they are twisting words of it. This is really sad. Not only Christians vote in these polls.

I agree with you... if you're going to subscribe, you may as well do the whole package.

[Utah Knight]

yup he was the perfect lamb

[Walthein]

If the Lord was imperfect in any way - He would not have been able to die for our sins on the cross. He(Holy Trinity) is the only one without sin.

In a much earlier thread I think someone talked about emotion such as anger. Of course He could get angry. That is the prerogative of any soul. But it is the way in wich that emotion is dealt with that makes the difference.

[Pentecostal Boy]

Amen to that Amen!

[Hisbygrace]

His perfection was from the beginning of days.

[Colabomb]

If the Lord was imperfect in any way - He would not have been able to die for our sins on the cross. He(Holy Trinity) is the only one without sin.

In a much earlier thread I think someone talked about emotion such as anger. Of course He could get angry. That is the prerogative of any soul. But it is the way in wich that emotion is dealt with that makes the difference.
Actually, there is some arguement to be made that the Angels who did not rebel are sinless....

[~Nikki~]

Yes...Jesus was perfect!

[Jerrysch]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

When Jesus came to earth by way of birth as a man, He added to His divinity humanity! He continued to exisist as God yet He took on a human nature! He is the God-man 100% God and 100% man (hard to understand:) ). The Bible tell us why Heb 214Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Are you one of the ones who has been freed from the power of death?

[~*ZEE*~]

I cannot select a poll option, because they are too narrowly black or white.

I believe Jesus did experience a normal childhood with normal child development. But as He was born of God He was not born into a sinful nature thus, while He could be tempted to indulge in the lusts of the flesh, He never sinned.

As an early childhood specialist it is hard to reconcile any child to developing socially without chucking a wobbly now and then in order to learn the adult/child boundaries. But, in understanding that Jesus was born a man, but not of man I cannot perceive that His childhood would have included the natural rebellion against authority that mine did!

So no He didn't sin, but yes it is clear that while gaining control of His human body He would have developed physically at a rate with normal children - so making physical mistakes such as a shoddy piece of furniture is in right standing with His God/man status!

[Imblessed]

I cannot select a poll option, because they are too narrowly black or white.

I believe Jesus did experience a normal childhood with normal child development. But as He was born of God He was not born into a sinful nature thus, while He could be tempted to indulge in the lusts of the flesh, He never sinned.

As an early childhood specialist it is hard to reconcile any child to developing socially without chucking a wobbly now and then in order to learn the adult/child boundaries. But, in understanding that Jesus was born a man, but not of man I cannot perceive that His childhood would have included the natural rebellion against authority that mine did!

So no He didn't sin, but yes it is clear that while gaining control of His human body He would have developed physically at a rate with normal children - so making physical mistakes such as a shoddy piece of furniture is in right standing with His God/man status!


Oh man, that cracked me up! Chucking a wobbly! LOL :D


I voted for doesn't matter, even though I think not that it doesn't matter, but that it's outside our knowledge and therefore not something we should even worry about--but I was curious what others would say about it.

.....chucking a wobbly...^_^ ..oh my....I love the way you guys talk! I wish we americans were so good with language...(and I mean that in all seriousness...)

[Jerrysch]

I cannot select a poll option, because they are too narrowly black or white.

I believe Jesus did experience a normal childhood with normal child development. But as He was born of God He was not born into a sinful nature thus, while He could be tempted to indulge in the lusts of the flesh, He never sinned.

As an early childhood specialist it is hard to reconcile any child to developing socially without chucking a wobbly now and then in order to learn the adult/child boundaries. But, in understanding that Jesus was born a man, but not of man I cannot perceive that His childhood would have included the natural rebellion against authority that mine did!

So no He didn't sin, but yes it is clear that while gaining control of His human body He would have developed physically at a rate with normal children - so making physical mistakes such as a shoddy piece of furniture is in right standing with His God/man status!

Liked your post but till the last (BTW what is "chucking a wobbly") , Jesus all the time being God was/is perfect in His human frame,He did not sin, so physical mistakes were not His experience. He must have made His brothers mad at Him though, in that He did no wrong all the time. :wave:

[b*unique]

Jesus is always perfect :)

[freyajem]

Yes Jesus was always is always perfect.

And yes, Jesus had a normal childhood

Fully God, Fully man.

[SuperNova]

According to the Law a lamb had to be flawless to be sacrificed. If a lamb had the tinyest of flaws it was not worthy. Jesus is the lamb of God, a perfect sacrifice for our sins. If Jesus had sinned he would not have been able to be sacrificed for our sins because he would not be flawless. Jesus had to be perfect to pay for our sins.

Furthermore Jesus is God. And there is one thing God can not do. God can not sin. If God sinned he would stop being God because he would stop being Holy.

[ServantOrion]

I think He was perfect

[one way]

Jesus is God in human form, and God is perfect.

[The Story Teller]

Joke... If Jesus was perfect 24/7 then as a baby He had self cleaning diapers..:)

[Jerrysch]

Joke... If Jesus was perfect 24/7 then as a baby He had self cleaning diapers..:)

Soiling diapers is then a mark of not being perfect?

[The Story Teller]

Soiling diapers is then a mark of not being perfect?What do you think??:scratch:

[Saint Melania]

Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions...

I fully agree with you!
:hug:

[Saint Melania]

What is usually overlooked is God's Sovereignty. God is not under our rules and laws, as God is the Almighty, and he rules over everything. God is not to be judged, as God can do no wrong since he is maker of heaven and earth. As hard as this is to understand for some people, God may do as he chooses to, and does not need to be under the judgment of those he created. If he wants to make a flood, that is certainly his right to do so. It is called Sovereignty, and we have no right at all to condemn God for it. We are sinful, and deserve the punishment for this, and yet God has been gracious to withhold his judgment, and allow for salvation of those who appreciate it.

[~Mrs. A2J~]

I think some people here are confusing perfect in the flesh (what we as humans think is perfect) with perfect in the soul. The only one that matters is being perfect in the soul and to be perfect in the soul is to be sinless which the bible tells us Jesus was so therefore Jesus was/is perfect.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin.

1 Peter 2:21-22
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth

Matthew 5:48
God is perfect and Jesus is God therefore Jesus is perfect.

[PlumTea]

yep yep perfect

zeal for the Lord's house is not a sin, but virtue

[belle_baby14]

we are all sinners but god made jesus perfect as a rolemodle for us.

[Jerrysch]

we are all sinners but god made jesus perfect as a rolemodle for us.

I think you have a few thing confused. Jesus is God and as such He is perfect. There has never been a time when Jesus was not God. And indeed He was a role model for us, and so much more, would you like to talk about the rest of Who Jesus is?

[The Story Teller]

There was only One person who was ever perfect.... Jesus..:)

[SandyLou]

this would be easier to answer if we could all agree on a definition for 'perfect' *giggle*

Did Jesus stay at the temple as a young teen without telling his earthly parents and therefore worrying them?

God became a man to experience the human condiditon and face the temptations and choices we make. . . . so yes, without sin, no, not a perfect person. Did you ever notice that none of Jesus' parables begins with "when I was younger. . . . " Those of you who are parents or talk / mentor folks younger. . . . don't you catch yourself starting a "lesson" with a smiliar statement??? hmmm :scratch:

[Princessperky]

I use that line alot, God only made one perfect person (yes I know Jesus WAS God) and that isn't me (or my DH or my kids or whatever) Helps my kids when annoyed at not being able to do something, helps me when I need to apologize or shape up. (Ok so finding DHs faults is rather hard.)

[Alive again]

Scripture says that Jesus was without sin. That is perfect in my book. If he wasn't perfect what good would His sacrfice be for others in providing forgiveness and reconcilation with our perfect God?

Bible also say Be angry and sin not. So it is possible to be angry and sin; and to be angry and sin not. Jesus at the temple with the money changers-check it out- The money changers and those who sold sacrificial animals were overcharging for these items. Jesus was angry with sin! Esp. in His Father's house a place that was as Jesus said- suppose to be a Hose of Prayer-worship and it had not only become a place of business, but a place for unfair (sinful) business.

Just thought I'd give you my two cents worth.

[mycatspice]

Jesus was/is/and always will be perfect. That's what all Christians believe last time I checked ^_^ (this is one of those basics of Christianity so let's not all pat ourselves on the back too much) ;)

[RedneckAngel]

"Yes Of Course He Was"(Thats What I Chose):)


:mad:U Gotta Love This Angel:mad:

[jacko50]

he lived a sin-free life. to me that means perfect

[MeekOne]

Jesus always was and is perfect in every way, and His salvation is perfect as well! :clap:

[><>InHisName<><]

to say Jesus was not always perfect takes away everything Christians believe. Jesus was God. God is perfect. Jesus was also man. By man, it doesn't mean an adult male it means a member of the human race and it includes boyhood. If Jesus was man AND God, then He must have been perfect His whole life.

[lgintrnj]

Yes, even when mary was told the good news she was going to have the child she ran to Elizabeth who was 6mos pregnant with John the Baptist and he leapt in her womb. so yes Jesus was perfect from conception

[HisLilyWhitePrincess]

Controversial, but Jesus may not have never cut the wrong block, but he definately never sinned!

[NPGMuSiCCLuB]

I think jesus was perfect from day one.I mean god sent him in the flesh to us to show us how he wants us to walk in the flesh.So i beleave god was keeping him strait & narrow as a Child & Adult.

[Colabomb]

I think jesus was perfect from day one.I mean god sent him in the flesh to us to show us how he wants us to walk in the flesh.So i beleave god was keeping him strait & narrow as a Child & Adult.
Jesus is God, God is Perfect.

That's it.

[BrokenMystery]

I think he was perfect as a child

[Richard]

If you read the Bible you'd say yes.

[Blessed_Mommy]

Absolutely Perfect.

[Snow Angel]

Jesus is perfect in every way:
Amen '''''''''''''''''''''':pray: :clap: ;)

[meselfs]

Ummmmmmmmmmm....


lemmee think...................


This is very hard on the mind.....................


Just kidding. Easy on the mind. He was perfect, always, no question.

[GrammarGrl712]

I think that sin-wise Jesus was perfect, but as for childhood I think that he still scraped his knee and stuff like that.

[Periann]

I agreed that yes He was perfect as a human child. I would be scared to find a toddler that never threw tantrums, ever. That is not imperfection/perfection.

[cutekangaroo]

If we take Jesus as God, and created things, and can destroy things, and can do anything, then yes, he's perfect.

Who knows, he could have made a mistake, and broke one of his own teaching, commandment, etc., who knows. But if he did it, he could alter it, by travelling back in time, erasing it from all our memories, etc.

Again, he IS God.

P.S. I wasn't trying to criticize God, I'm just saying that if it's true that he could do anything, he would do what he wanted, and he wanted to be 'perfect' and wanted everyone to be just like him.

[spongebob_freak]

i belive jesus was PERFECT

[spongebob_freak]

how many people like spongebob?

[xray01]

The Lord Jesus Christ could do no wrong, being God and is therefore 'oerfect' in every way. I believe in a holy God, who is my Lord and Saviour.

[KinaBolina]

My gut, as a Christian, says...YES! Of course he was perfect!

[big1968dog]

absolutely, positively PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!

[MeekOne]

MOST CERTAINLY!! :amen:

[deetersdee]

If he wasn't we are all doomed!!:eek: :eek: :eek:

[ScarletWitch]

of course he was! there is no way, shape, or form that he wasn't!

[laushe6]

If there had been any spot or blemish then Jesus would not be the sacrifice God needed for the redemption of mankind. But as God Jesus was impossible of sinning.

[Maja]

OF COURSE!!!

[spongebob_freak]

yes he was i love him so much:hug: :hug: :hug: :hug:

[Ric]

Yes of course He was

[Gkbarnes]

Jesus was always perfect

[MeekOne]

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Of course, Jesus was perfect! :bow:

[aborted]

Of course he wasn't perfect.....he had to have masturbated at least once.

[mommysue]

I believe Jesus was always perfect. He has always existed and when He was born into this world, He was both man and God. Jesus was not born with a sin nature.

[Lynn73]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?

Anything that's not considered sin in God's eyes, I suppose He couldn't done.

[ReynaDreamz]

Jesus ,was, is , and will always be perfect and without sin......there is no other way he could have been a sacrafice if he wasnt without sin.....he is the lamb of God....and Jesus is the word manifested in flesh.....and the word is the perfect will of God:holy:

[fallenteardrop]

i dont think god was always perfect because no1 is always perfect.... but i believe sumthing happen to make him perfect....idk thats what i think but i love god!:hug:

[MeekOne]

If you love God, you will believe His Holy Word.

2 Corinthians 5:21...

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

[Brooke4Jesus]

I think the question you are asking is "Is God Perfect?" Yes God is perfect. Jesus was and is God, therefore Jesus is and always was and always will be absolutely perfect

[Colabomb]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?
Nothing Sinful, accidentally cutting a wrong piece of wood doesn't count as sin.

Throwing a tantrum is a bit more on the sin line.

[kw5kw]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.

They were doing business in the temple.

That would be like... say, putting a casino in your church.

Would that make you mad enough to overturn the craps table? It would me!

[MeekOne]

Anger is a positive virtue when it is directed against what is wrong and sinful.

Examples of Jesus anger.

The Pharisees hypocrisy Mark 3:5

The money changers in the temple.

Other examples Psalm 69:9, Psalm 7:11

Anger is a divine attribute.

The Bible is the book of Gods wrath Naham 1:6

However, we must not be bad tempered and irritable Galatians 5.
Not easily provoked 1 Corinthians 13:5, James 1:19

Do not sin in your anger.

[Colabomb]

God is Perfect and Sinless. You either believe the Bible or you don't.

[Stacey]

He never gave into temptation... and I believe he was perfect.

[immersedingrace]

He wouldn't have been a "spotless lamb" if he had EVER sinned. Only He was capable of washing our sins away.

Blessings

[Colabomb]

If Christ was not Perfect, our faith would mean nothing.

[Andrelj]

I think the question you are asking is "Is God Perfect?" Yes God is perfect. Jesus was and is God, therefore Jesus is and always was and always will be absolutely perfect

I agree. Jesus was perfect as a child and man.

[irenemcg]

Heb 4:15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin.

2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

[Brooke4Jesus]

is it heresy to believe that Jesus isnt perfect?

[skinner]

If the question was: "Was Jesus sinless?" I'd say yes. But perfection-perfect in what?
He didn't have what some would call perfect manners. He could be quite blunt, and seemed to egg on the pharisees a lot.
I don't believe he was perfect in the sense that he never went out as a kid and got muddy, and tracked it in the house, or never snorted milk up his nose. :) Or never stubbed his toe or skinned his knee. I think he was a normal kid, just much more obediant than most.
I tend to think he was quite normal in appearance. And I bet he laughed a lot.

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

This poll is not accurate enough. "Perfection" in Biblical terminology, does not mean having never made a mistake, as in "dropping a piece of wood", etc.

Jesus was without sin, therefore was a "spotless/perfect", sacrifice. To have thrown a temper tantrum as a child would have required Jesus to have been angry without just cause and self absorbed, therefore, sinful. So, no, Jesus would not have thrown a temper tantrum.[p]Did Jesus get angry as a child? We do not know, but if He had, it would have been justifiable anger.

[chokmah]

I don't believe he was perfect.

[Lynn73]

That depends on whose ideas of perfect. To the Father He was perfect (and sinless, I tend to equate the two) otherwise how could He have qualified to die for our sins?

[chokmah]

+

[Made2Soar]

Unless He was perfect, how could He be the perfect sacrifice, and He wasn't perfect, then we are not saved.

[artaxbombadil]

I feel that Jesus was perfect even as a boy, and his baptism was not to cleanse him but to show people what to do. If his blood wasn't perfect, it wouldn't have saved us.

[GEO4CHRIST]

Yes

[MeekOne]

I don't believe he was perfect.Do you believe in the scriptures?

[PastorJason]

While I'm going to go ahead and posit that this is a fairly loaded question, I'm going to answer no.

[MeekOne]

While I'm going to go ahead and posit that this is a fairly loaded question, I'm going to answer no.Jesus was God incarnate. God is Jesus, Jesus is God. God and His will is perfect. The scriptures tell us so.

[GEO4CHRIST]

Yes

[kerux]

Yeah, that's what we are told in the Bible!

[Lynn73]

The sacrificial animals of the Old Testament had to be perfect, without spot or blemish. It's simple, if Jesus wasn't perfect in every way then He's disqualified from being the sacrificial Lamb. He was sinless and perfect according to the Bible. What's the difference anyway? We can't be presented perfect in Christ unless Christ Himself is perfect, Col. 1:28.


Heb 5:9 (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=heb+5:9&version=kjv&st=1&sd=1&new=1&showtools=1) - Show Context (http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?passage=heb+5:9&version=kjv&context=1&showtools=1)
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;I personally don't understand how anyone can say that Jesus wasn't perfect.

[Witness Of His Love]

He was teaching in the synagogues at a young age. I believe even as a young child he was well-mannered and displayed genius abilities for learning, and he was very interested in his father's work. And if he made a mistake while carpenting, this is not an error of the heart but an accident that could have happened for many reasons, not necessarily his fault. I believe he remained faithful to his Father's commandments throughout his life. The bible says we are perfected in faith.

[Kalibeth]

Yes, Jesus is the only person who has never sinned


Christ's Love To All, kalibeth

[MeekOne]

Yes, Jesus is the only person who has never sinned


Christ's Love To All, kalibeth:amen:

[CardinalBaseball]

Anger isn't a sin, but I'm don't think it was very cool when he overturned tables in the temple etc.

In other words I don't necessarily think we'd be furthering ours or his cause by doing the same. But who am I to say.
It doesn't matter if it wasn't "cool"
And yes He was always perfect.

[spongebob_freak]

yes he was!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:hug:

[sing4him]

There's no doubt that He was absolutely, positively perfect in every way!!!

:angel: :bow: :angel: :bow: :angel: :bow: :angel: :bow: :angel: :bow: :angel: :bow: :angel:

[BAITandHOOk]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?

Are you saying that chopping a wrong piece of wood is a sin? If my wife asks me to iron some clothes and I iron the wrong blouse, shirt, whatever, is that a sin? No. The way to answer the question is by consitency. Could Jesus be called perfect if he wasn't totally sinless; no. The bible says that He (Jesus) who knew no sin became sin so that we may be called the righteousness of God in Him. If He ever displayed anger it was a righteous anger and we have to believe that because we are not given those specifics regarding His childhood.

[grrltoangl]

i agree.Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions...

[godisgr8]

Yes of course!

[Tiger Lily]

I voted "Yes" :) :prayer: :crosseo:

[Waterhouse]

I do NOT think He was 'perfect' but he DEFINITELY WAS SINLESS! I think they are two different things.

[Rome]

God is perfect that means Jesus was perfect

[spongebob_freak]

of course he was

[Interesting2me]

He had to be to be in order to qualify as The [Unblemished] "Lamb Of God", & "The Unleavened Bread" From Heaven.

If Messias/Christ had sinned at anytime during His earthly mission/visit, satan would have won the battle for our souls long ago, & we would'nt be here debating this question.

Being perfect at "conception [By The Haruach Hakodasha/Holy Spirit Of God]", Messias/Christ will be able to speak for or judge every human being from "fertilized eggs", to newborn babes, to young children, to adolescents, to adults [or/and those who abused them without repenting from their heart] at "The Great White Throne Judgement Seat Of God" [or before], "casting stones" as He will be the only one who ever lived "without sin".

Bottom Line? ... If Messias/Christ had sinned at any time, He was not who He claimed to be & we would not have been even a thought.

I'm glad Messias/Christ qualified as The [Unblemished] Lamb Of God [according to Jewish Law(?)], after being examined by the Jewish people, Levitical Priest's & Pharisee's [Sanhedrin Court for 3 days from "Palm Sunday", 10th of Nisan, to the 14th day of Nisan [the day of His crucificafion], for the world's sins], they could find NO SIN/FAULT IN HIM [Including Pontious Pilot, representing the gentile world], & still rejected their long awaited Messiah/Chief Cornerstone so we gentiles could be "grafted" in [Rom.11:33]. Search the scriptures!

God's Best.

[BAITandHOOk]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

Was David wrong for getting angry at the Philistine army when they were mocking the name of God? Of course not. His anger was a righteous anger. Jesus was mad because what was going on in the temple was a defilement of the name of God. The temple was a place of worship, not for money trade and etc...
God did not send a flood to make up for a mistake that he made, he sent the flood to punish man for sin. He going to send destruction again (2 Peter 3:10). You are right when you say that perfect is impossible; that is for a mere man. However, Jesus was fully GOd and fully man. Therefore, sin was against his nature so he didn't. THe fact is if Jesus ever sinned than we have no hope because because the prophecy would not be fulfilled (Isaiah 55 and 53). Furthermore, if Jesus sinned that he would be a liar because he said "be holy as I am holy." THink about it.

[Interesting2me]

Was David wrong for getting angry at the Philistine army when they were mocking the name of God? Of course not. His anger was a righteous anger. Jesus was mad because what was going on in the temple was a defilement of the name of God. The temple was a place of worship, not for money trade and etc...
God did not send a flood to make up for a mistake that he made, he sent the flood to punish man for sin. He going to send destruction again (2 Peter 3:10). You are right when you say that perfect is impossible; that is for a mere man. However, Jesus was fully GOd and fully man. Therefore, sin was against his nature so he didn't. THe fact is if Jesus ever sinned than we have no hope because because the prophecy would not be fulfilled (Isaiah 55 and 53). Furthermore, if Jesus sinned that he would be a liar because he said "be holy as I am holy." THink about it.:confused: I used to believe many things before I was "saved", but I never believed God made mistakes, including myself & or others. [Gen.6:1-22]. I always knew or felt their was a reason for everything, whether I understood it or not. I was glad when I accepted Echad's/God's only begotten son, Jesus Christ as my personal saviour, in so doing I also found someone with answers to life's problems, accepting anyone "unconditionally" who accepted Him on His terms without condemning them of anything in the past, freeing us from any guilt & sin(s).

To really know someone, you have to spend "quality" time with them first. :amen:

[salvation05]

absolutly...

[CaptainMercy]

Firstly, God did not "make" Jesus a man. God BECAME Jesus the man. Jesus was human in all respects, save one...he did not sin. Yes, he had temper tantrums...but is this a sin? Not really. Babies cry when they are hungry, wet, tired, frustrated. This is only communication. Sin requires knowledge of good and evil. Babies just do what's natural...now when our 8 year old throws a tantrum...that's sin.
As for Jesus in the temple....he was angry...a real emotion, not a sin. Murder...that's sin as a result of the emotion anger.
Let's be careful here to separate sin from emotions...

Good answer! Agree to the letter! Thanks for the reply!:cool:

[BAITandHOOk]

I'm confused as to what you quoted you have question about. Please clarify, or maybe I am misunderstanding.



:confused: I used to believe many things before I was "saved", but I never believed God made mistakes, including myself & or others. [Gen.6:1-22]. I always knew or felt their was a reason for everything, whether I understood it or not. I was glad when I accepted Echad's/God's only begotten son, Jesus Christ as my personal saviour, in so doing I also found someone with answers to life's problems, accepting anyone "unconditionally" who accepted Him on His terms without condemning them of anything in the past, freeing us from any guilt & sin(s).

To really know someone, you have to spend "quality" time with them first. :amen:

[GodsJewel]

yes he was :)

[bill'swife]

yes

[Savedsis]

Yes...

[4square]

Yes, Jesus was always perfect - He has to be He is GOD.

He humbled Himself and "became a little lower than the Angels" but He was still all God and Perfect.

- Chris. :)

[Amy47]

Perfect!!!

[Savedsis]

Yes

[CountryLady]

Yes

[Followers4christ]

of course He was.

[hopeforatree]

yep! otherwise he couldn't have been the spotless lamb sacrifice. so yeah.

[Daisysqueaks]

yep, He had to be! Otherwise we are all doomed!
On a lighter note, Boy, I bet Mary loved that! I wonder if she bragged to the other mothers about him?

[shamrocker]

i'm not sure. no one on this earth is perfect. i think that we all have to make mistakes in order to learn what it right and true in this world, but as to whether or not this applies to Jesus, I am not sure.

[Savedsis]

Yes

[J4Jesus]

The only perfect One!! :holy:

[cygnusx1]

yes :amen:

[crusader4peace]

yes i believe Jesus Christ was and is perfect.

[Tariel]

Here's how I believe it: Jesus was perfect in the sense that he never sinned. I don't believe that he was perfect in the sense that he never tripped ect. Does this make any sense?

[furry001]

A warning: It is very dangerous to speculate where God has not revealed. We know nothing about the childhood of the Lord Jesus except Luke 2, where we read the Lord saying to Mary and Joseph, "How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's busines?" Even at such a young age He referred to the Father as His Father. He did not become God as He grew up, He was (and still is) God, manifested in flesh. Emmanuel, God with us.

[God4Gives]

Jesus was.. IS perfect in all shapes and forms, even as a baby, even as a child and even as a man Jesus was perfect. He was tempted unmercifully by the devil but Jesus NEVER sinned.

[jul7246]

i believe that He was perfect =)

[CountryLady]

Yes!

[lollipop686]

Remember the story of when Jesus was in the temple at age 12 and taught the teachers of the law? The story where his parents left without him and he told them "Wouldn't you expect me to be in my fathers house?" or something like that. I wouldn't say that was "normal". It takes a pretty smart child to come up with something like that.

[JesusZone]

In GOD standard, YES. In human stand of point, some may argue he was not. I lean toward GOD standard...:-)

[kittystrawberry]

It wouldn't matter if he was perfect or not as a child.
1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

[imastarforhim]

He cried, got hungry, got frustrated, etc. just like the rest of us except he didn't sin. Becoming angry, for example, isn't a sin. You may possibly sin in your anger but anger isn't a sin.

[Big Mouth Nana]

He was born without sin.

[gal4God]

yea

[SearchingintheNight]

He was only perfect if He was God. And if He was God He was perfect.

[MeekOne]

He was only perfect if He was God. And if He was God He was perfect.He was and is God.

John 1:1,14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is perfect.

[seamonster]

I voted perfect

[eaglex]

HE was prefect in every way and the only one who can say it.

[ILoveYeshua]

> The vicar at church asked the question "was Jesus good at everyting he did?" did he run faster than anyone else, was he healthier than anyone else was he a better carpenter than anyone else?

he was perfect in spirit, weak in flesh.

[chrissieanne]

Yes He was a perfect child .....all children are perfect in the eyes of God

[Nahienga]

I don't think Jesus was perfect.
First of all, 'Perfect' is a very relative term. I think iguanas are the most awesome and perfect creature ever, and you maybe don't.
Jesus was a normal human, just like you and me. =)

[MeekOne]

...and that, however, would make you wrong about quite a lot of things unfortunately. :(

[ellieberrie]

I can`t remember were I ever read this , but I read somewhere that He killed or wounded a bird (as a small child, maybe with a stone) and then brought it back to life/or healed it?~God bless

[Moluku]

He is the son of God. He'd most likely be perfect, but it seems irrelevant to me. Jesus was sacrificed, died for our sins, and saved us by grace.

[Miriyah]

If he wasn't perfect he could only atone for his own sins. It was his perfection that allowed him to take on everyone elses sins.

[Godslilgurlalways]

Yes, most certain. he didn't sin if you don't sin than that's a perfect child. He was perfect even before he was born

[Godisgr8r]

The bible says he was without sin, therefore, yes Jesus was perfect as a child.

[furry001]

He is the son of God. He'd most likely be perfect, but it seems irrelevant to me. Jesus was sacrificed, died for our sins, and saved us by grace.

Why does it seem irrelevant to you? If Christ could sin He would have had no power over death (ie, He could not have risen again) and He would not have been able to take away our sin.

[runner_4_jc]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.


Im sorry, but i have to disagree with you...I believe with all my heart that God made Jesus Perfect. Born Perfect. I mean, he was/is God's son...how could he not???:confused:

[runner_4_jc]

If he wasn't perfect he could only atone for his own sins. It was his perfection that allowed him to take on everyone elses sins.
AMEN SISTER!!!

[GolfingMom]

Jesus could not have been the perfect lamb of God and atoning sacrifice for sin if he were not perfect.

Great point.:clap:

[firestar]

I believe so

[jbran555]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.
keep in mind that its not was he perfect but was he sinless. those are two different things.

[SneakitySneak]

That is a interesting question.

[FaithChild]

Yes

[~Beauty_from_Pain~]

I do not believe God was at all perfect, I believe he was a good man, but perfection is impossible. Even God made mistakes eg flooding to start again. When people say Jesus was a pacifist, this is not true...when he threw all the people out of the temple, that was violent, and you cannot say 'that's not included' because if you say that, then of course he's going to be perfect! If God made him human in every way, he could not possibly be perfect.

Scripture says that God is perfect, and Jesus is God. The Bible says that Jesus is sinless..and doesn't sinless mean perfect?

[reverendtim]

yes. the perfect sacrifice.

[meowmie]

Jesus was perfect. Without Sin.

If he had sinned, His death could not have attoned for OUR sins. So if you believe He died to save us from our sins, you cannot say in the same breath that He had a sinful nature.

[mightywarrior77]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?
If he threw a tantrum that is OK. The word say that we can be angry and sin not! We all get angry at times. But the neat thing is that God's grace is sufficient for me and I have peace through Jesus Christ my Lord!!!

[Notrom]

The fact that Jesus' childhood is hardly spoke of in any scripture tells me it was fairly uneventful and not important. We can only speculate anyway and I don't think that's a good thing to do where God is concerned. We shouldn't presume to KNOW anything that isn't stated in God's word.

Just my opinion by the way!

:thumbsup:

[allen_salmons]

I wonder if jesus ever got a *******?? He was a good looking fella, and a good talker. I'm sure that somewhere along the way he talked someone into sucking his holy cock.:thumbsup:

[reverendtim]

*****
newbie, that was totally distasteful. please respect others and refrain from this use of sentiment.

[Surak]

Yes, I said it. I went there... I'm not sure.

Jesus fulfilled the law. He was the perfect sacrafice. But was HE PERFECT? How well could he tune the 3 dual webber carurators on a '69 Porsche 911? Who know, who cares. He was without sin. If that is your deffinition of perfect, then yes. Otherwise, you will find out when you die.

[SolitarySoul]

Jesus was 100% God, but He was also 100% man, therefore I'm sure He made mistakes as well. We don't know who will and will not be offended by what we say ... you can't always please everyone, of course, nothing is impossible under God, but Jesus was also man, He was not purely God alone.

[newyorknewyork]

I hardly think one can sin while chopping wood! Come on!!! ^_^

Some ppl must be really bored to come up with something like that!!

I believe Jesus was perfect and is perfect yes. The Bible tells me this. :)

Happy Easter all ... :)

[Ceili]

Yes

[LavenderMoon]

Yes, of course He was.

[diana_ch]

Our ways are not His, and our thoughts are not His thoughts... our perfection is not His perfection... If Jesus was perfect or not as a child? I don't really think that matters in the big picture, the Word says nothing about it, therefore it musn't be of importance... people nit pick too much at things that are not important thereby losing focus of the actual purpose...

[prettyrose436]

yes he was perfect... regardless of when during his life.

[brokenbeliever]

what comes to my mind is a scripture that says he learned obedience with strong crying and tears. see hebrews chapter 5.

[Firefall]

Yes he is perfect and was as a child on earth. He was without a sin nature which means that anything selfish kids are prone to do - Jesus didn't do. Tantrums for instance are selfish - even though toddlers don't have much knowledge of right and wrong and aren't held accountable at their age.

Jesus on the other hand was selfless which is his eternal nature and can not be changed.

[Beckster3]

jesus was perfect, he wouldnt have been able to resist the devils temptations

[Kimberlyann]

yes

[cubanito]

Jesus was perfect, but in His nature as a man, not complete. He could learn, make non-moral errors, and be unaware of many things, such as the timing of His own return. Perfection does not mean totality. We will some day be made perfect, but we will never be Omnipotent.

JR

[ChristianSister]

Yes

[blakey]

I believe he was!

[marcstinebaugh]

Check this out. Jesus never messed up at all. He is incapable since he is Truth.

Perfect



Entirely without fault or defect
Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kindRight

Most favorable, desirable, or convenient
Conforming with or conformable to justice, law, or moralityWrong

Not fitting or suitable; inappropriate or improper
Not functioning properly; out of orderGod
A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe
Sin
1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God
2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience

Morality

1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct

Omniscient

One having total knowledge

Mistake

An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness

Will


The mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action
A desire, purpose, or determination, especially of one in authority


God is perfect. So he is without fault or defect and lacking nothing. Therefore, he will always choose what is right. The will of God is perfection. Sin is the deliberate disobedience to the will of God. Therefore God cannot sin. If “whoever knows what is right but doesn’t do it is sinning”, then we can conclude that God is incapable of sinning since that would be contrary to his nature of perfection in himself and his will. God must do what is right at all times. Morality is of God, it is established by God and morality is a system of right and wrong. If something is wrong then it is deemed not fitting, suitable, inappropriate or improper. What is right is what is most favorable, desirable, or convenient at any given time. God is omniscient, which means he has total knowledge of everything. God can see into the future. So if God foresaw something happening that would be inconvenient such as tripping on a rock, then he must by definition and nature avoid it unless it has a purpose to accomplish his ultimate purpose in what he is doing. A mistake is caused by defective judgment, deficient knowledge or carelessness. God is incapable of any of those because they are less than perfect. So we see that Jesus is God. Due to free will and the freedom to choose human nature is to rebel, we are born evil and imperfect and we all rebel against God. Just because Jesus was human doesn’t mean he had to make mistakes though. The reason being, he is also fully god as equally as he is fully human. We already established that God cannot make a mistake. So how could Jesus make a mistake if he is incapable of doing so? He cannot. It’s as simple as that.

James 4:17 – “Whoever knows what is right but doesn’t do it is sinning.”

[marcstinebaugh]

Perfect



Entirely without fault or defect
Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kindRight

Most favorable, desirable, or convenient
Conforming with or conformable to justice, law, or moralityWrong

Not fitting or suitable; inappropriate or improper
Not functioning properly; out of orderGod
A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe
Sin
1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God
2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience

Morality

1. The quality of being in accord with standards of right or good conduct
2. A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct

Omniscient

One having total knowledge

Mistake

An error or fault resulting from defective judgment, deficient knowledge, or carelessness

Will


The mental faculty by which one deliberately chooses or decides upon a course of action
A desire, purpose, or determination, especially of one in authority


God is perfect. So he is without fault or defect and lacking nothing. Therefore, he will always choose what is right. The will of God is perfection. Sin is the deliberate disobedience to the will of God. Therefore God cannot sin. If “whoever knows what is right but doesn’t do it is sinning”, then we can conclude that God is incapable of sinning since that would be contrary to his nature of perfection in himself and his will. God must do what is right at all times. Morality is of God, it is established by God and morality is a system of right and wrong. If something is wrong then it is deemed not fitting, suitable, inappropriate or improper. What is right is what is most favorable, desirable, or convenient at any given time. God is omniscient, which means he has total knowledge of everything. God can see into the future. So if God foresaw something happening that would be inconvenient such as tripping on a rock, then he must by definition and nature avoid it unless it has a purpose to accomplish his ultimate purpose in what he is doing. A mistake is caused by defective judgment, deficient knowledge or carelessness. God is incapable of any of those because they are less than perfect. So we see that Jesus is God. Due to free will and the freedom to choose human nature is to rebel, we are born evil and imperfect and we all rebel against God. Just because Jesus was human doesn’t mean he had to make mistakes though. The reason being, he is also fully god as equally as he is fully human. We already established that God cannot make a mistake. So how could Jesus make a mistake if he is incapable of doing so? He cannot. It’s as simple as that.

James 4:17 – “Whoever knows what is right but doesn’t do it is sinning.”

[Stan53]

John 1:14 answers this question completely.

[Babiie_deE]

Yes

[On_Fire_4_God_Gurl]

Yes, or how could he have been the perfect sacrifice for the sin of the world...

[cygnusx1]

yes !! even when he was angry !

[Geshorse]

God/Jesus has always been and always will be perfect. That is a fact. :)

[krys4ever]

Yes.
If he wasnt perfect, then how could He die for the sins all humanity?

[Kirkhaven]

He was/is perfect and did/does all things well.

[jesterj]

i think this poll is a bit misleading, especially the write-up about chopping the wrong piece of wood. Jesus being perfect in that sense is not even a Biblical concept. there's a difference between sinless and perfect.

in fact, one could be perfect and still sin, depending on the definitions you use for either word. consider that God made us perfect, knowing every hair on our heads, created for His glory. however, we still sin. see?
arguably Adam was created as a perfect human specimen. however, he wasn't sinless.

likewise, Jesus, God incarnate, may have made learning errors and experience awkwardness in growing years, however, nobody would equate tripping over a log with sin. thus, perfect as defined above does not necessarily equal sinless (or, rather, lack of perfection equal sin).

[Godisgr8r]

i think this poll is a bit misleading, especially the write-up about chopping the wrong piece of wood. Jesus being perfect in that sense is not even a Biblical concept. there's a difference between sinless and perfect.

in fact, one could be perfect and still sin, depending on the definitions you use for either word. consider that God made us perfect, knowing every hair on our heads, created for His glory. however, we still sin. see?
arguably Adam was created as a perfect human specimen. however, he wasn't sinless.

likewise, Jesus, God incarnate, may have made learning errors and experience awkwardness in growing years, however, nobody would equate tripping over a log with sin. thus, perfect as defined above does not necessarily equal sinless (or, rather, lack of perfection equal sin).
That is exactly what I was thinking! Perfection and sinlessness, are two different things.

[gal4God]

deffo

[Raydar]

We all agree that Jesus was the perfect man, WITHOUT sin in that sense. But what of his childhood? Did He ever 'throw a tantrum' as a toddler? Did He ever chop the wrong piece of wood while learning to be a carpenter?
There are not any examples of the things you mention in the Bible. He did get angry though anger is not necessarily a sin.

[handmaiden97]

Of course He was perfect, He was God in the flesh

I noticed alot of people refer to the "tantrum in the temple" as evidence to imperfection.

Anger is not a sign of imperfection, especially when it was righteous anger. I think we should all be angy over the things in this world that break Gods heart, abuse, child prostitution, traffiking. We need to defend those who cant fend for themselves.

Jesus walked into the house of God ans saw people making a profit off of religion. the court of solomon was full of money changers and salesmen selling animals for sacrifice. The court of solomon was meant to be a place that the gentiles could come and worship God freely. Jesus was upset for two reason people were making a buisness out ouf religion, taking advantage of those who came to worship and they were taking up space in a part of the temple the nations could come to worship in. His house was 'to be a house of prayer for the nations but (they) have made it a den of theives. (from Mark 11)

We are to be self controlled..was Jesus exhibitting self control some have said that he through a tantrum...I disagree read the account as written in John 2.

Jesus made a whip.....I have thrown a tantrum before, Im out of controll, I blow up. He was in control of his actions

Jesus was deliberate he made a whip for the job. perhaps it was for the purpose of driving the money changers out or for the cattle and sheep being sold.

It is much like a parent who find he needs to disipline his child, they pick the instrament to discipline with, their hand, a switch, grounding or time out. They know the tool that will have the greatest impact on their son or daughter and the amount of force needed to apply that tool.

[tred]

Yep...

[Lake]

Yes,he had a moment with despair and anger-that's not the same so yes,Jesus was perfect.

[4tune8]

yes yes

[lyonguard]

Yes!

[Moonstruck4U]

I say yes.

[VictoryNGrace]

I believe Jesus was sinless and perfect.. Yes he might have gotten angry or rage to deal with his Fathers house being made a market place but that was his Fathers house not some local market.. People even today need to treat a church building with respect even when we are his church KWIM?

So to see him as a human yes I can see Jesus joking,laughing, haveing fun with his disciples and being sad and cry or feel sick not sick like a cold but in other ways.. He was human and as a baby he had to depend on his mother.. I also believe once he did that 40 day fast he realized his time had come to start his ministry and deal with temptations as we do,he allowed the temptations but didnt sin..

So yes Jesus is perfect and sinless if he was not then there'd be no way to enter heaven no way of salvation or grace or redemption of the Cross.. We have to seperate emotins and sin they arent tied unless for example you feel rage or anger but say you curse thats a sin.. But if you feel angry or rage and go about it differently then no its not sin..

Some thing are sin in action some sin is in deed but emotins are there no matter what, just what we do when we feel those emtions is the key..

Happy Easter early everyone.. He is Risen!

VNG:)

[JesusFreak78]

Yes, He was and is perfect. :)

[GraceDaily]

I said yes, I think everything He did was right for it's purpose, whether we think it seems wrong or not.

[AnimalMother]

i'm not sure at all