What do you think of tattoos?

[Droobie]

Do you have a tattoo? Would you get a tattoo if you felt so inclined? Is it okay for a 'Christian' to have a tattoo? Does it matter? What are your thoughts?

[Konnie]

No, not at all.

[Dawn Marie]

I don't have any tattoos. But I wouldn't mind getting one... a small one.:P I don't think there's anything wrong with them.

[faerieevaH]

I don't have a tattoo, but I do not think there is anything wrong with having one, in Christian respect. We have to respect our bodies, and treat them like a temple. But temples are often 'decorated' to show our love for the Lord. Depending on which denomination you are in, those decorations take a different form, from clean lines in architecture, to flowers, to statues and paintings.
Thus I do not think it is wrong to decorate the temple that is our body, by adding a tattoo. Of course the subject of the tattoo may be another matter entirely. But this question seems to go as to the artistic medium of tattoes, and not it's imagery.

[Blessed-one]

aren't tattoos usually associated with people who behave badly?

i don't know.. i'm traditionally repulsed by having tattoos.

[sunshine]

I personally wouldn't get a tattoo, but I see no problem in actually having one....it's a personal decision. some people like them, some don't. same with piercings.

[d0c markus]

LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

its a moral code given by the lord.

[sioleabha]

I personally wouldn't get a tattoo, but that's because a) I hate, hate, hate needles; and b) I like my body as is.

My husband has something like 30 tattoos, and intends to get more. He NEEDS to get one for our new baby (hint, hint).

I agree with the person who said it's like decorating the temple.

[Luvly25]

I think that as a Christian, we should try not to get a tattoo. I know that if I weren't one.....I'd probably want to get one, but what if they mess it up or you don't l like the way it looks anymore. It'd cost a lot of money to get it off and it would really hurt!
Sincerly,
Luvly25

[tulc]

Tattoo's are up to the persons own choice. (IMHO) as for the scripture in Lev. do you do this part also:
Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.
or plant several different types of seeds in the same field? Why does only one part of this scripture apply and not the other?
Just a thought.
tulc

[brandnew845]

there is nothing wrong with them. Personal choice. If you dont like them, fine dont get one, but dont judge others because they have one. is it wrong to have tattoos that show ones love for god?

[Trealori]

Goodness me- all this Levitical law...

If you follow one Levitical Law- you have to follow them all---

So based on this Ladies- if you've got your period- do you leave the camp for a 10days and then ritually cleanse yourself according to law afterwards? Do you worship on the 7th Day- Saturday? Do you eat meat accordance with Levitical law also....???

Paul says in the NT- in the New Covenant- that 'Everything is lawful, not everything is beneficial'.

I have a tattoo and I love it! It doesn't have any impact on my relationship with God at all- or whether I am getting to heaven....

[faerieevaH]

As tulc pointed out above, the quotation in Lev. 19:27 does not stand on itself. A second thing that needs to be taken into consideration is this:
"LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."
Clearly refers to tattoos that are made as part of customs belonging to heathen practices. It says not: do not cut your bodies, but do not cut your bodies for the dead. Therefor, I would argue that this law of the Lord refers to the reason for the tattoo and the image displayed, rather then the practicing of tattooing itself.

[JillLars]

I would like to get a tattoo on my foot but I'm too chicken cause I know it will hurt a lot (I have had piercings though, and I made it through those). I don't have a problem with tattoos, I just don't want something I'll regret when I'm 60.

[oworm]

I have a tattoo on my right forearm. Its the name of my very first girlfriend ,she talked me into it (the things you do when your in love and a teenager!!!) I can tell you it was PAINFUL:eek: :eek: We split up one year later. I doesnt particularly bother me now as i forget its there most of the time. Though id rather it wasnt there!!
If it bothered my future wife id have it removed.

[Dracil]

It's ok to have them, but I personally don't see the point. It's for looks right? Yet, I generally think it has the opposite effect.

[Yalith]

I think it's the subject matter of the tattoo rather than the fact that one is present that is important. My father wants to have a tatoo of a cross and he is one of the most devout Christians I know. It is his way of publicly displaying his devotion to God and belief in Jesus. I also have many friends who have tattoos of Christian symbology. I personally am too chicken to go through the pain...LOL!

[Tweed]

Personally i see them as okay, but i have a bias view becuase i have some. Its a personal choice i made, the first one was only a five year one and i am glad it is that, my other two however i love and dont see it changed, but as we all know the only sure thing in this life is that nothing stays the same

[II Paradox II]

Do you have a tattoo? Would you get a tattoo if you felt so inclined? Is it okay for a 'Christian' to have a tattoo? Does it matter? What are your thoughts?
I thought about it once, but on second thought I figured it would hurt so much I probably wouldn't be able to finish the tattoo itself... =)

ken

[James Sez]

LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

its a moral code given by the lord.
tattoos are the in thing so i moght get one, but cutting your body for the dead is so, like, yesterday-no way.

[Yalith]

tattoos are the in thing so i moght get one, but cutting your body for the dead is so, like, yesterday-no way.

I so know what you mean.. I mean that's like so 1000 BC. Right up there with stoning. :rolleyes:

[Dawn Marie]

LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

its a moral code given by the lord.
But we aren't doing it 'for the dead'. I don't get that.

[Dogma27]

Nothing wrong with tattoos

If I can afford it I'll probably get one someday.

[Kathy]

I don't see anything wrong with a tattoo,I myself don't have any but my husband does( 2) and many other people that I know. I don't need the pain that goes along with getting one...Im chicken..LOL

[PistGurl]

Tattoos are fine, in the sense of decorating a temple as said before, and in the sense that free will is already cut short because of small morality issues such as having tattoos, or sex, or which religion you can join, so God's gift isn't really being used...if you personally think it's ok, and it won't offend God, and can actually tell someone why it would be ok, then do it, it's your life...if you don't think it's right, and it feels wrong to you, then there's only one thing for it...don't!

[cindylou]

I had four tatoos before I became a Christian. None of them are morally offensive to anyone (butterflies, etc.) The only one that bothers me and that I would like to have removed is a Zodiac sign of a former boyfriend. That one bother's my husband too, so I try to keep it covered. I don't think it offends God, some tattoos are quite beautiful. I do think as Christians, though we should be cautious about what facility we use to get one as well as what the actually tattoo is.
Just my opinion.

[Éclairé]

I believe its the heart that counts, not the skin.

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

I have two tatoos...they were accidentental. I was stabbed with a pencil twice when I was a kid. :D

But would I go to a tatoo parlor and have someone put their art on my body? Eek Gad No!

[Col]

Well I spent 24 years in the Navy but never felt inclined to get a tattoo myself. However I knew thousands of people who did have tattoos of course. Funnily enough I have never met anyone who was glad they had them. It was always a cross between regret or writing it off as something they did when they were young and silly, and have learnt to live with it. Personally I do not judge people unfairly with tattoos, having spent my life surrounded by people with them, you stop noticing them after a while. However having said that, I must admit that I do not find them attractive on women. I know some women with tattoos (Navy and ex Navy), who are lovely ladies but I still do not feel their tattoos (obtained in their youth) become them. But hey thats just me. Each to their own.
Bless Ya
Col :) <><

[USincognito]

I guess they're fine and some can be quite amazing pieces of art but I don't find them attractive on women and want to beat people who get "tribals."

[BigToe]

well i wouldnt get one because i am a wimp when it comes to pain and i cant think of anything i would want in one spot on my body for the rest fo my life... but if someone else wants one, i am not gonna stop it. some are kinda tacky looking but some are cute.

[Neenie]

LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

its a moral code given by the lord.


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Anyway i think there is nothing wrong with tatoos.

[navyman2]

Many Christians quote Leviticus in regards to tattoo's "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord." - Leviticus 19:28” what most bibles that are pre 1950's also included "FOR THE DEAD"

Leviticus 19-27

"Do not trim off the hair on your temples or clip the edges of your beards"

How many clean shaven/hair cut short people do you see at church, the point I am trying to make is that we as Christians we tend to pick and choose what is wrong and right for ourselves and others. I have a tattoo, its not insulting to anyone, it does not demeaning in any form or fashion, it was gotten before I found and accepted Christ, One i get one again, yes but what i would do just like the other one i have is research what it is, one must always be guided by the principles of the daily influence of Christ and our Faith, aways holding steadfast in our judgment as not to distract from both ourselves and those that may be seeking a better understanding what it means to love the Lord with all your heart and trusting him in all things.

Mike

[indigo tree]

aren't tattoos usually associated with people who behave badly?

.Yes, and its rather sad that some people follow that stereotype. The thought that the decision to have some like "I love Mary" splayed across thier back with an arrow through a heart, or having a dragon depicted on thier shoulder somehow denotes that the person is either on drugs, has murdered someone, or is mentally dillussional is absolutely ludicrous.

That being said, no, I do no think tattos are wrong. As long as the subject matter is tasteful, and it isn't over done, I see nothing wrong with it.

In fact, I've fancied my self having a little tattoo of a horse running on my ankle. Don't know if I'll ever go through with it, though.

[TehRoxxor]

That being said, no, I do no think tattos are wrong.

I do.

[BigToe]

heh, i dont assosciate tattoos with types of lifestyles. if i did my stereotype would probably be someone into music as most people i have met with one have been in a band. and christian ones at that.

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

want to beat people who get "tribals."Don't laugh at me for my ignorance. But what is a tribal? Thanks.

[Éclairé]

Tatoos used to be counter-culture, now they are fairly mainstream.

People get tatoos because they want to represent a certain image - little different than what people do choosing their clothes and haircuts.

People also get tatoos to display something of value to themselves, and imo thats often less superficial than the ridiculous cultural practice of someone piercing their ears in order to decorate them with jewelry.

[Lizzy16]

I believe tattoos are so so wrong!!....and not only for chtistians but also for Jews. it's forbidden in the bible (I just have no idea where...)

[Neenie]

I believe tattoos are so so wrong!!....and not only for chtistians but also for Jews. it's forbidden in the bible (I just have no idea where...)

Very convincing, and mind opening :)

[PistGurl]

But we aren't doing it 'for the dead'. I don't get that.

:wave: What it means is, if you are sad :cry: that someone you loved has passed away, do not harm yourself, because he doesn't want you to destrot your body for the sake of someone who is with him.

In some parts of the world, from as far back as the time when Jesus was alive, when someone in a family has died, the immediate family is given cuts on their arms or legs, to mark their respect for the dead. :pray:

hope I helped xx :kiss:

[The-Doctor]

Whilst I repect peoples rights to do what they want to their bodies and be an individual my view is if we were meant to have tattoos we would have been born with them!

[~Wisdom Seeker~]

it's forbidden in the bible (I just have no idea where...)Lizzy, Leviticus 19 says "nor print any marks upon you" and seems to be the only reference I can find that resembles tatooing.

There's a really great Bible search engine that I use when I'm sure something is there but I just don't remember where. (search engines are such a time saver, even when you do know your Bible backwards and forwards) Here's the link if you want to use it. http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/kjv/citation.html

God bless you. :)

[TehRoxxor]

Stupid looking and ugly.

[DJ B.K.]

Whilst I repect peoples rights to do what they want to their bodies and be an individual my view is if we were meant to have tattoos we would have been born with them!:scratch:

Adressing the other posts the quote bible verses, didn't you read the other posts about your problem of picking and choosing. I'm not a Bible expert but I'm pretty sure there are things "condemmed" in the Bible that you do yourself. Just my random thoughts.

[PistGurl]

Whilst I repect peoples rights to do what they want to their bodies and be an individual my view is if we were meant to have tattoos we would have been born with them!

I'm not getting at your point of view here, just continuing the debate!

Have you ever had your hair cut?

Why? :confused:

If God had meant you to have that hair length you would have been born with it and it wouldnt grow....

Do you wear clothes?

Why? :confused:

If God had meant for you to wear clothes you would have been born with them....

Anyway, I don't need a reply saying that's not the point and a whole lot of bible quotes stating why we wear clothes, it's just a point. :kiss:

[Snowy]

it says do not destory the temple of God..and yoru body is the temple so that makes tattoos bad :)

[tetelestai]

i think that tatoos are perfectly acceptable in the eyes of the Lord. because i know he has "decorated" some of his followers. Namely Israel. He was given bracelts for his hands and a ring for his nose in Ez 16:11, 12. i know this doesn't speak directly to tattoos, but i think it shows the Lords heart about the "temple" being decorated.

[joyinchrist]

i've got a bunch

[katylees]

i voted not sure, i dont like them myself. if u had one but wanted to get rid of it, they cost to be removed and also they are still there but very very faded. Thats just my opinion, altho some do look nice but i wouldn't have one :)

[PistGurl]

it says do not destory the temple of God..and yoru body is the temple so that makes tattoos bad :)

:wave:
It's ok not to want to destroy your body, but is having a tattoo necessarily destroying your body? :confused: After you have one, you are still alive, so your body is not destroyed, therefore you have followed that rule to a t! :D

Blessed Be xx :kiss:

[kwimmer]

It's a matter of freedom. Tatoo's where once, and in some places still are, strongly connected with worship in other religions. They also look really bad when they get old. So I wouldn't have one.

[Jesus-is-the-best]

I would say no, not at all.

[NinjaMonkey]

Only with in the last year have I become interested in getting a tattoo. I used to be totally against them. However, not I want to get some sort of Christian tattoo, something that represents and remind me of my views. I plan on getting something small on my inner wrist. The placement will also signify Christ's wounds during the crucifiction. I see the tattoo not only as an extension of myself but as a valuable witnessing tool. People that normally never would have talked about christianity with me may be inclined to start up a conversation upon seeing the tattoo. But this is only my opinion. And also to the person who called tattoos "decorating the temple", I love that analogy!

Peace and God Bless everyone. :)

[Ardagnirion]

i think its the person own choose and a don't think its wrong to have tattos

[molly]

If God wanted marks all over your body He would have put them there. Tatoos are just a precurser to how easily it will be for some to take the mark of the beast.

[DJ B.K.]

If God wanted marks all over your body He would have put them there.
Once again that type of comment doesn't make sense.

[thomas the tank engine]

If God wanted marks all over your body He would have put them there. Tatoos are just a precurser to how easily it will be for some to take the mark of the beast.
are you kidding? surely the two aren't related? unless of course someone was to tattoo 666 on their forehead... I guess I don't think that tattoos are wrong per se but I have seen some pretty gross ones which I found a bit insulting as a Christian (you probably know what I mean). Does it say anything about tattoos in NT or is it just OT? Sorry I don't set much store by literal translation of OT, that's just me I'm afraid

[TheFirstNoelle]

it says do not destory the temple of God..and yoru body is the temple so that makes tattoos bad :)
How is getting a tattoo destroying the temple of God? Do you eat junk food, or having your ears pierced, or not get enough sleep, etc etc etc etc? These are also "destroying the temple of God." Come on. There is really no good Biblical argument against tattoos (unless the tattoo is of something that is not a reflection of what God would want. In that case, it's the same as wearing a t-shirt of questionable taste, or anything like that).

My fiance and i got tattoos together - not the same one though. I got a celtic trinity pattern within a circle. As a medieval studies student & a Christian, the celtic Christian tradition and artwork is perfect for me. My tattoo is between my shoulderblades, below the nape of my neck, and only shows if I want it to. I love it. My parents got it for me as a "graduated from university" gift.

Tattoos are completely cultural. n some cultures they represent adherence to "pagan" religions, so in a culture like that it would be inappropriate for a Christian to have a tattoo. This was the case for the Jews as well - tattoos had a definite cultural meaning. That meaning does not exist in our culture. Most tattoos no longer indicate that someone is part of a gang or is a Satanist or something like that. Tasteful tattoos are culturally acceptable and do not have any strong religious or political implications. As such, they are appropriate for a Christian to wear (dependent on the tattoo's subject matter, of course). It's like skirt length. In the 19th century, skirts an inch above the ankle indicated that you were a loose woman or a prostitute. They no longer have that meaning attached, and so it's fine for a woman claiming to be Christian to wear skirts above the ankle.

[iluvgod]

:priest: It is ok to get a tatoo of god on your ***!

[iluvgod]

@$$

[emerald Dragon]

The body is a temple of the Lord, and we must respect it. We must keep ourselves healthy, clean, and righteous. Tatoos defile the body, and disrespect the temples that we have been given by the Lord.

[TheFirstNoelle]

The body is a temple of the Lord, and we must respect it. We must keep ourselves healthy, clean, and righteous. Tatoos defile the body, and disrespect the temples that we have been given by the Lord.
Why do they defile the body? That argument doesn't work, because people who say tattoos defile give no support for why they are defiling or harmful while ear piercing, wearing high heels, or any number of other potentially harmful or "defiling" things, aren't bad. You are entitlted to your opinion, and perhaps getting a tattoo would go against your own conscience, which is fine, but I consider my tattoo as a decoration and a thing of beauty on my temple, something that is a visual representation of my faith - it's not a defilement.

[Hopeful]

i'd rather have a really wierd birth mark

[Droobie]

? What's the wierdest birthmark you've seen?

[thomas the tank engine]

and where was it?

On second thoughts I don't want to know

[GodlyWarrior]

I have three tattoos on my body. One on my left hand, one on each arm right below the shoulders. I got all of mine tattoos before I was saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. I have seen many on this thread quoting Old Testament Scripture and Mosaic Law as reasons not to get a tattoo. Those are all wrong reasons. For one, if you choose to keep one of these laws, then you must also choose to keep the other 629 laws that went with it.

It is up to the individual whether or not they get a tattoo. As for me, I would not have gotten them knowing what I know now. I feel like it grieves the Holy Spirit when we do things that do not give praise and glory to God and I do not see where defiling your body does as such. Is it something that causes you to lose your salvation? Of course not.

Peace
GW

[Hopeful]

and where was it?

On second thoughts I don't want to know
hehehe, i never said i had one, i guess that was too broad a statement, huh?

[Hopeful]

? What's the wierdest birthmark you've seen?
is this a poll question? :D i dont know, i think i saw one of a huge black mark on a person'd face,a lthough i think that person thought o fit more as a disfigurement (or something like that)

[Shannonkish]

I have heard all of the "biblical" reasons for why tattoos are bad, however none of the suffice... I personally have a tattoo and would eventually like to get another one..

If tattoos are "destroying the temple of God" then so is getting any piercing including ears, eating junk food, not exercising, etc.

<quote> "Tatoos are just a precurser to how easily it will be for some to take the mark of the beast." </quote>

Please, give me a break. I think this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. My relationship with God is not "weaker" because I have a tattoo.

[Shannonkish]

<quote>

The body is a temple of the Lord, and we must respect it. We must keep ourselves healthy, clean, and righteous. Tatoos defile the body, and disrespect the temples that we have been given by the Lord.</quote>

Defiles the body?? Give me a break... My body is in no way defiled because I have a tattoo on my ankle.

[LikelyUnworthy]

I think that tattoos are fine, as long as your tactful with them. I want one, and my reasoning is, I have been through a lot of trauma and **** in my life, and for memories sake, of how i was pulled thru all that, and how i managed to fight thru it, i want a small butterfly on my lower back. I think, as long as your tastefull with them, they should be ok! I mean, some tattoos are extremely tacky! But, i would never judge a Christian by there outter appearance!! Its what on the inside that matters, i feel the same way about peircings!! I even have a few of those myself!!

[TheFirstNoelle]

I think that tattoos are fine, as long as your tactful with them. I want one, and my reasoning is, I have been through a lot of trauma and **** in my life, and for memories sake, of how i was pulled thru all that, and how i managed to fight thru it, i want a small butterfly on my lower back. I think, as long as your tastefull with them, they should be ok! I mean, some tattoos are extremely tacky! But, i would never judge a Christian by there outter appearance!! Its what on the inside that matters, i feel the same way about peircings!! I even have a few of those myself!!
I agree. I think the main thing is that, although we shouldn't judge by appearances, Christians are called to set an example of a Godly life and actions. I don't think you have to a prude to do that (ie refuse to listen to rock, never talk about anything to do with sex, never get a tattoo!). But it has to be within reason.

[delicate_flower]

I wouldn't mind getting a tattoo. To me, having an image tattooed on your flesh is an intimate art. A tattoo represents you... your life, your beliefs, even your strengths and weaknesses. I don't associate a tattoo with disobedience or rebellion. A tattoo is a beautiful thing, mostly due to the meaning that it has. But what a person engraves on their body is their own business and if it offends others, there is no need to apologize. It's on their body, not yours. Although the chances of indecent exposure is probable, you still can't change their minds and undo what has been already been done. To this, my opinion is to just leave it be.

A tattoo isn't a scar that rots the flesh, it is a piece of art that reveals but a tiny part of the person who decides to have one. It's not immoral, but it may not be holy. It's not self-mutilation, but it does involve pain. Either way you look at it, it is all up to the person. What one man learns from what they have seen will not always be the same as to what another percieves.

People have their differences, it's just the way God made us; that's what I believe.

[Larry]

Nothing wrong with tattoos.

[Larry]

Do you have a tattoo? Would you get a tattoo if you felt so inclined? Is it okay for a 'Christian' to have a tattoo? Does it matter? What are your thoughts?

Are you going to chime in with your own views?

[Droobie]

Are you going to chime in with your own views?
Hey Larry... I just work here... ;)

I myself think tattoos are okay, of course depending on the subject matter etc. People get earrings, studs, do weird things with their hair... what's a tattoo here and there?

[27D4]

I have about a dozen tattoos. My forearms are dedicated to display my Christianity. I have:
A Celtic cross
A stylised portrait of Jesus
A representation of the Holy Spririt decending
The Virgin Mary
The Archangel Michael
and one that reads "the wages of sin are DEATH" when read one way and "the gift of God is eternal LIFE" when read another way.

For me it's a way to publicly display my faith. I wouldn't put anything obscene on my body.

[shinpai_ga_nai]

Sure a Christian can have tattoos. I personally wouldn't get one, but it is fine for others to get one if they want to. Having tattoos doesn't make you a bad person. Some of the most spiritual people/Christians have tattoos.

Some Christians have tattoos that reference to Bible scripture even. That is definitely not bad. For instance, Jeremy Camp, is an awesome man of God who has been through a lot and is strong in his faith, but he has tattoos of scripture. Is he a bad person or Christian?

[HeatherJay]

I'm not sure. I have one...my zodiac sign, Leo, on my lower back. But I really feel that I should at least get it covered with something more appropriate. I'd be ashamed of it if anyone at my church noticed it. Not because of the tattoo...because of the subject matter.

My husband thinks it's silly. He says it looks like a blue gummy worm. LOL. Yet another reason to get it covered.

Love, Heather

[Blessed75]

I think tattoos are a-okay in my book. I've got two of them and plan on getting two more. I'd like to have my children's names on back..........;)

[zibbler]

I think it's a personal choice, but I think tattoos are fine for a christian as long as they are not offensive. I have 5 tattoos, and have my nostril pierced. My husband has 4 tattoos an a couple of piercings. Maybe 20 years ago the only people that had tattoos were "bad people", but nowadays it's so mainstreem, even lawyers, judges and othe high profile types are sporting them.

As far as what the bible says about tattoos, that is part of the law, which Jesus abolished. Many of us also eat pork and shellfish, which the law says not to do. Does that mean we are sinning when we eat "forbidden foods"? Of course not. Again, I think it's an individual thing.

[roadie432002]

why would a christian want to identify with the pagan world ?

[Shannonkish]

We already do.. regardless of whether we want to or not... Satan takes anything remotely related to Christianty and distorts it...

So why can't Christians do the say thing?

The Trinity symbol... if altered is a satanic symbol.
The Cross... if altered is a satanic symbol.

Music... was distorted by Satan..

Worship- the sacrifices that were made in the OT have been distorted by Satan and are now used to worship Satan..

[missygirl852000]

I voted not at all becasue I really don't want and let's say i wanted to get it removed, That means i would have to pay a lot of money to have surgery. Plus I'm a diabetic and it would propbaly ruin my skin. That's why I really don't want to get one. Even though my brother and sister have one.

[kaleidoscope_visions]

I think that tatoos are ok, I have a large one running down my arm and I fully intend on geting more.

[all2elohim]

If Lev. 19:28 condemns tats on Christians then verse 27 condemns Christians for shaving their heads and beards. If we hold to Lev. 19:28 we must hold to the rest of the law as perfect and obey it. I'll take grace please. The verse is meant for Israel to not be like their pagan neighbors who mutilated their bodies for the sake of their dead. Our body is the temple, and Jesus is much more concerned with the heart of the temple then what the outside appearance is.

[~PICKLE~]

:D Wow, I was waiting for something like this. Personally, I think tats symbolize beauty and art. I have 3 right now, and when our tax gets here, I plan on more. I have a cross with a <>< on my right ankle, on my left calf I have a colorful mushroom man. And my Husband and I have matching wedding ringings. That one hurt, but I like it cause we devoted ourselves to each other 4 ever. And you can't lose it, can pawn or sell it, and most of all, when ya get mad ya can't take it off and throw it at him. My husband has 6, I won't tell ya all of them cause I don't want to bore you, but their all clean and beautiful to me. He's my human art museam. :hug: My favorite is his Lizard that covers his whole right calf. Anyways, Also I know a lady that had to have a breast removed b/c of breast canser. She felt aweful afterwards, to the point of suicide. She then went and got this colorful "thing" (i don't know how to explain it, you'd just have to see it to understand.) to cover her scar that she was so ashamed of. Now she loves herself again and it has really given her life back. I don't think God would detest the beauty one has to decorate their temple.If that makes any sense. :sorry:

[~Madi*J~]

As of now I have 2 piercings in both my ears, and i plan on getting a cartilage piercing and my navel done, plus a tattoo(s)... Also as of now i believe that all these are ok as long as you dont do them in excess. people who have every inch of their body pierced and tattooed, that i dont agree with...but if you have your ears pierced or piercings or tattoos in places not normally shown in public, that i think is ok. Sure, my views may change as I get older and/or have kids, but while im still in the 'rebellion stage' ;) that is how i feel.

[Lizquests]

LEV 19:28 " `Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

its a moral code given by the lord.

This pretty much sums it up for me. :prayer:

[CraigNobbs]

are a temple of God. In what right mind do you think that you can defile the temple? Would you spray paint graffiti on the side of a church? I think not.

But then agian, there are those who would argue, "What if the tatoo is meant to be a sign of devotion towards God?", or "What if it was done to honour Him?". In this case, well then I suppose that it is alright. There are so many possibilities, so many different thoughts, how could anyone person really argue one side and stand with both of their feet firmly planted?

Although I personally would never get a tatoo, I believe that it is what is in the heart that really matters. But, one should be careful to say that they recieved a tatoo because God told them too..... But then again, who am I to argue that point.... maybe God did, I can't tell.... I've got this thing.... a giant plank of wood protruding from my eye, so I can't see.

I do however know that the vast majority of tatoo's don't even relate to anything godly, in which case, then they are wrong. Entirely.

Rarely are thing so cut and dry as the line between black and white. Almost always there is a Gray area, and usually, it's quite large.

[hischildsindik]

I think it's the intent behind the tattoo and the content of the tattoo that matters more than having one or not having one. God looks at the heart of a person. I have one, it has a cross as the center (body) of a butterfly, representing Christ as the center of my freedom.

[Oblivious]

aren't tattoos usually associated with people who behave badly?
:rolleyes: I hope you're not serious

I have one on my ankle. I like it. Big deal.

Also, Jesus came to establish the NEW law. Therefore, we do not live under the OLD law any longer. So anyone who quotes Leviticus on tattooing and doesn't live by all of the other laws that they lived by back in that time, is a hyprocrite, aren't they?

[bigsierra]

I think they are fine, but I don't have one.

[Shannonkish]

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At one point in time, so was rock music, cell phones, pagers (used to be associated with drug dealers), and many other things....

[GraceReborn]

Tattoo are part of my life and everyone I have represents a memory or a time in my life. When I saved... not too long ago I got a great one that says Jesus in a tribal pattern with the cross. I designed all my tattoos and will continue to do so. I pay tribute to the Lord with my newest and there is nothing more precious I belive I could have done to show my love for God. I am proud of my tattoos and see them as meaningful to ME. They are NOT for anyone else. They are NOT a fad, a fashion, something cool to make me as an individual... most of them can't be seen with my clothes on. They are for ME and that makes them special.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

I have a small tattoo on my ankle. I have no problem with tattooing in general.

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I am pretty heavily tattooed - just got my half-sleeve finished last month. (My ninth tattoo, and by far the largest) I love 'em! :clap:

[And when I'm dressed business casual, no one can see any of 'em!]

[beautifulheartache]

i don't have a problem with the idea of a tattoo, in fact i have one and i might get another... mine is a butterfly, a symbol of resurrection and new life, i take this symbol very seriously and i am happy to have a permanent reminder. many of my friends also have tattoos and lots of them are spiritually significant.

on the law from leviticus, i would have the same response as some of the other posters... Jesus came to give us the good news that we are saved by grace, not by following the law. i would dare say all of us, no matter what, are breaking multiple laws in leviticus. this doesn't mean we shouldn't study the laws and learn from them, but we are not required to follow these detailed laws. (pierced ears are against some of the ot laws as well...)

[sl55]

I don't see anything wrong with it. I have two tattoos, one on my ankle and one on my arm.

[SiteCR2]

stigma has changed on them in recent years. however, I continue to think, how will it look in a few years. IF i gain weight, lose weight, age (nothing like an eagle that looks like a large smudge), grow in muscle size or shrink. what seemed like a good idea and image is now wasted.

[fairyshyone]

I dont have one, but I sure dont judge others if they do. I know alot of good people with them.

[Jesusfrk4life77]

There are a lot of diff wayz to look at gettin tattoos! I mean, yeah the Bible does say to tattoo yourself but like one person said....itz for God! Good Charlotte, ya know, the non-Christian rock band....well...they dont sing Christian music but the lead singer has a tattoo of Jesus on his arm and neck and a tattoo of Mary i think it is on his other arm! I personally dont think itz wrong unless like ur gettin it just to look cool or if itz a bad tattoo...as long as ur gettin it 4 the Lord!
O yeh, what that other person said...YEESH! thatz the ONLY thing keepin me from gettin a tattoo (besides my parents ;) ) haha is when i think of how it will look when i get older! how gross is that to have a shriveled up and saggin tattoo when u get older~! AHHHH! ok! Well, thatz my opinion on all this! One Love,One God, One Way!
Souled Out 4 Jesus,
Alexis M

[Shannonkish]

I think the argument of "what is it going to look like..." is a valid one.. however, if you are smart, and you get the tattoo in a place that normally doesn't grow- ie ankle, etc. Mine is on my ankle which probably won't grow unless I get pregnant, and even then it will then become normally again.

[Pastor_Benjamin]

I have a fraternity tatoo that I got before I was saved. Do I regret getting it of course I do. I do not condem those who have them and are getting more, but I use mine as a testimony of the life style that I use to live as a comparison to the life style that I live now. "We weren't always saved so dont act like you were always bible toting scripture quoting." "If you never experienced anything then you dont have anything to testify about."

God bless,

Pastor Bruce Benjamin
New Beginning Outreach Ministries (DOC)

[sapphire12002]

every time i think about getting one i always think of an elderly person with a distorted tatoo that you cant really see clearly because of the wrinkles.

[LadyBird]

I think that having a few SMALL tatoos is okay, but covering one's entire body (you get the idea) with tatoos, I don't think is okay. Our bodies are temples of the holy spirit and we should take care of them.

[jenny1982]

i think tatoos are cute :) a little butterfly for example

[NiemandheißtBoshaftigkeit]

I know that it says we should not permanently alter our bodies but if i were so inclined I would get a tatoo.

[Shannonkish]

I know that it says we should not permanently alter our bodies
What says?

[Domi_Adsum_05]

every time i think about getting one i always think of an elderly person with a distorted tatoo that you cant really see clearly because of the wrinkles.
Yeah, but by the time I'm elderly and wrinkled, no one will be looking at me anyway! ;)

[Jesusfrk4life77]

hmmm...good point but ull be able to see em...YIKES!
Alexis M

[BillJohnson]

I have a tattoo on my wrist that was done with an electric beard trimmer. It looks just as good as a tattoo done with a professional gun and it was done properly. My friend did it so it only cost me 20$ and it looks great.

[Shannonkish]

I would be interested in seeing a picture of your tattoo BillJohnson.

[HeatherJay]

I want a cover up done for the tattoo I currently have. I have my zodiac sign on my lower back and I don't feel it's appropriate. I want a phoenix to cover it up, but not a scary looking phoenix. Actually, I want a beautiful girly looking phoenix with a tiny cross chained around it's neck or something. Any of you guys know of any links I could check out that might have what I'm looking for?

[BillJohnson]

Shannon,

Unfortunately I do not have a digital camera or a webcam at this time and I cannot post pictures because I do not have enough posts. I do have a picture that I drew out in a paint program but like I said I cannot posts pictures yet. :( If you want I can email it to you.

My friend said he would give me a free tattoo if I let him put it on my bald head but I refused. I don't think it would look that good and besides I wouldn't be able to shave my head for a couple weeks and I like it slick. I don't have a shiny head like Mr. clean which is a good thing because it blinds people.

[obuchiteck]

I have a few.. I've also designed everyone of them and they are a kind of road-map of my life. Some of them, I feel the lord would appreciate.. they remind me of some bad times or great obstacles I've overcome.. During a time of temptation or self loath I notice them and remember what a great life I have and earned..

Also, someone mentioned a Leviticus. Chapter.. (If that was law, I'm going to hell when I die, because I'm donating my organs to save lives.. ) I was hoping that someone out there could show me something from the new testament.

[Death66]

I guess they're fine and some can be quite amazing pieces of art but I don't find them attractive on women and want to beat people who get "tribals."


:scratch: What is wrong with people who get tribals?

Both my wife and I have tribals. I have one on my upper right arm and my wife has two. I don't find anything wrong with tats or piercings.

[Blessed75]

:scratch: What is wrong with people who get tribals?

Both my wife and I have tribals. I have one on my upper right arm and my wife has two. I don't find anything wrong with tats or piercings.
I have one as well - plus a piercing in my navel.........I don't get it either and I'm a believer in Christ. Go figure! ;)

[Shannonkish]

BillJohnson, you can email it to me.. my email is in my profile.

[FlyingDestiny三]

I think not. God would put them on our bodies if he'd want them. I consider them really unorganized to your body.

[hiz_child]

I wouldn't get one, but I don't have anything against someone that does.

[Shannonkish]

I consider them really unorganized to your body.:confused: Can you elaborate on that?

[Blessed75]

:confused: Can you elaborate on that?
no kidding.......:scratch:

[Domi_Adsum_05]

Q: You know the difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people?
A: Tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed.

;)

[Kathryn]

Q: You know the difference between tattooed people and non-tattooed people?
A: Tattooed people don't care if you're not tattooed.

;)

:clap:

[Domi_Adsum_05]

:clap:

Oh goodie! One more superficial and completely irrelevant thing that we can use to make ourselves feel holier than others. :priest:
Oh my word. :eek:

I am so sorry that I added a humorous comment (even followed by a wink to make my meaning clear.)
Mea culpa. Forgive my levity.
And thank you for judging me.

[white dove]

I didn't vote: I'm actually not sure whether or not getting a tattoo is "unholy" or "unchristian" . I just know that I got one before I fully realized Christ and who God really is to me...does that help? prolly not, hey? I remember hearing someone say that those who have tattoos will not get into heaven...um, correct me if I'm wrong but I thought it was through Christ that we are saved and also, we're gonna have heavenly/different bodies in heaven anyway, so what's the difference? So long as you don't get devil horns or swastickas on ya, I don't think God'll slap you upside the head..by the way, I was thinking of adding to my tat....s/t along the lines of "God's property" ???

[Staind]

Personal decision ;) not like it's a sin. :)

[Domi_Adsum_05]

I got all my tats before I came to know Christ. I don't regret them, but I also don't know if I'd get any if I didn't have any... It can be iffy, probably prayer can help with this one.

[unbound]

I suppose the question I would ask myself would be this: Does God really care if I have a tattoo or not? Would the tattoo be for me, or for God? Since we are supposed to take the best care of our bodies, would the tattoo have any damaging effects? I can answer the first question, the tatto would probably be for my own gratification. If I believed it were some gift to God, would God really consider putting ink on my skin as some sort of "sacrafice"? Or would it just be "vanity" in Gods eyes? As to whether a tattoo has any health problems to consider, Im not informed enough to answer that question.

I have seen some tattos that looked good. However, I would still want to be able to "wash" it off in the shower. Let us not forget, thier are those people who are obsessed with extreme cutting, and sticking things through thier skin. Some do it to even deform thier bodies. I believe God doesnt want us to do these things. Ive even known a few people who felt "compelled" to cut themselves with a knife. Such a thing as this is surely a work of a demon.
This is not to say a tattoo makes a person evil. It all depends on the intent.

[Jeremiah the Bullfrog]

I hate needles, therefore, I would never get a tatoo. I also, think that they are wrong, and that they are a health hazard.

[jive]

my body is my temple, and im just painting the walls. would show some but need more posts to do so. im a newb.

[faver]

well i don't want one, don't think they really look good, however some small ones aren't that bad i don't think, especially ones for the soliders that have like USMC or something small like that, but to be tatted up your whole body, looks really bad, and disgusting.

[jive]

I hate needles, therefore, I would never get a tatoo. I also, think that they are wrong, and that they are a health hazard.
how are they wrong?

[Kathryn]

Oh my word. :eek:

I am so sorry that I added a humorous comment (even followed by a wink to make my meaning clear.)
Mea culpa. Forgive my levity.
And thank you for judging me.

No, no, no! I was clapping for your post and then adding my commentary. I agreed with your post. Sorry 'bout the confusion!

[ilovethelord]

Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

Now Look At This New Testament Verse

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

This Verse Clearly Says your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost

The Word Body Their in the Greek is
Greek Ref #4484 so-mat-ee-kos' = Physical body

as christians we are purly just the dirt=Body that is holding the holy Ghost in us..

So we are not to have tattos :pray:

[BillJohnson]

The Bible says alot of things, but it doesn't mean you should abide by its rules. There is rape in the Bible, murder and ritual animal sacrifice and Jesus condones it.

Mt. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.

Mt. 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Mt. 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practises and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

2Ti. 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,

2Ti. 3:15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

2Ti. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

2Ti. 3:17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

Here is something I found on a Christian website.

This same chapter (Leviticus 19) also provides instruction for appropriate conduct in conjunction with offering animal sacrifices. It requires leaving certain portions of one’s crops unharvested (in the interest of the poor). The sowing of two types of seed in the same field is prohibited. The Hebrews were not to wear a garment with two different fabrics combined (e.g., wool and linen). When new fruit trees were planted, none of the fruit was to be eaten for the first three years. There are restrictions about how the man’s hair was to be cut, and the manner in which his beard might not be trimmed. Keeping the Sabbath is enjoined, etc.
Why should we focus on one of these injunctions to the exclusion of the others?

The immediate context of Leviticus 19:27-28 suggests that Moses was attempting to inoculate Israel against the emulation of certain heathen practices related to idolatry.
For example, the prophet forbids “cutting the flesh” in the passage under consideration; yet no one contends that medical surgery is being condemned. Rather, “cuttings” in the flesh “for the dead” are in view (cf. also 1 Kgs. 18:28). This was an idolatrous practice.

Too, ancient archaeological evidence indicates that some of the Canaanites would tattoo themselves with the names or symbols of their favorite “gods.” This appears to be what the prophet is condemning, not the modern custom of “esthetic” tattooing - regardless of how distasteful such a practice may be to many people.

Since the New Testament does not address the issue of tattooing specifically, one must be guided by principle. Any practice that is vulgar, gaudy, or a distraction to one’s Christian influence should be avoided. But, to some extent, this is a matter of taste and judgment. No one can presume to prescribe conduct for everyone else in matters of this nature. Is it appropriate for women to wear make-up? How about permanent eye-liner? May men and women adorn themselves with jewelry? May they pierce their ears?

Christians must attempt to employ sound judgment in such matters, and give no occasion to the adversary for reviling (1 Tim. 5:14). Moreover, a Christian’s personal privacy and right of choice must be respected in ambiguous areas of judgment. This is the most a wise Bible instructor can say.

I am not Christian so I will continue to get tattoos and shave my head and even if I was Christian I would do the same. It would be ironic if someone got that Leviticus verse tattooed on themselves.

[ilovethelord]

The Bible says alot of things, but it doesn't mean you should abide by its rules. There is rape in the Bible, murder and ritual animal sacrifice and Jesus condones it.

Mt. 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.

Mt. 5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the
smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Mt. 5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practises and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

2Ti. 3:14 But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it,

2Ti. 3:15 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

2Ti. 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

2Ti. 3:17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.



Here is something I found on a Christian website.



I am not Christian so I will continue to get tattoos and shave my head and even if I was Christian I would do the same. It would be ironic if someone got that Leviticus verse tattooed on themselves.

[ilovethelord]

I quoted you beacuse I wanted to let you know I will pray for you beacuse you are quoting something you dont even belive in nor have any concept about its very interesting how you can quote it but yet not study it you just go and cut and paste something with out thought I pray you Think about taking someone elses answers and using them for your self beacuse if you studyed any of those verses you would see how you just destroyed the True Meaning of them >>... God Bless and if you want to learn about Scripture I pray you would study it for your self instead of using someone else answers..

[BillJohnson]

Well, I can assure that your prayers have no effect on me because I have a prayer firewall up. By the way I do study the Bible and it happens to be very strange book.

Jesus allegedly tells you to cut-off body parts because he believed that they caused you to sin but in fact they are unrelated to thinking.

Mt. 18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

Mt. 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.

[deu58]

hello all

All though it is true that we are not under the Old Testament still it gives us an understanding of what God approves and disapproves of.

Isa 3:16 Moreover the LORD saith, Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet:

Isa 3:17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the LORD will discover their secret parts.
Isa 3:18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments about their feet, and their cauls, and their round tires like the moon,
Isa 3:19 The chains, and the bracelets, and the mufflers,
Isa 3:20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the earrings,
Isa 3:21 The rings, and nose jewels,
Isa 3:22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping pins,

We can plainly see that God did not agree with bodily ornamentation or piercings, { 3:21 mentions nose jewels which seem to popular now in the west which is a piercing}

We do see a carry over of this teaching in the New Testament,

1ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

It would appear the the Apostles did not believe it proper for a Christian to decorate their fleshly temples in a worldly manner so I do not think it would be any leap of the imagination to say they would not have permitted the early church members to get tattoo's religious or otherwise.

Being a seaman I have 5 tattoo's myself which I had done before I became a Christian, My wife also has several small gang tattoos from her bad days also, when we talk to people who are interested in tattoo's or piercings we always counsel against them.

I just do not see how a person can use the Old or the New Testament to say such things are ok today.

yours in Christ
deu58

[deu58]

hello bill Johnson

Mt. 18:8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

Mt. 18:9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Was he serious? Yes he was, The obvious statement he is making is it is better to suffer temporary pain than eternal pain, the less obvious statement is that if your faith and love of God is so great that you would go to such an extreme measure to avoid sinning against him then surly you have enough love and faith to accept the atonement that he provided us through Christ so you do not have to worry about whacking of various body parts.

yours in Christ
deu58

[deu58]

hello Jive

yousked
how are they wrong?
We are created male and female in Gods image and we would be willingly defacing the image of God.


yours in Christ

deu58

[BillJohnson]

hello bill Johnson


Was he serious? Yes he was, The obvious statement he is making is it is better to suffer temporary pain than eternal pain, the less obvious statement is that if your faith and love of God is so great that you would go to such an extreme measure to avoid sinning against him then surly you have enough love and faith to accept the atonement that he provided us through Christ so you do not have to worry about whacking of various body parts.

yours in Christ
deu58

Why does he say that your body parts cause you to sin when in fact they have nothing to do with thinking?

[Mudhoney]

I have a tat of the the the Jesus Christ Pose cover art on my back and a \m/ sign as well.

Also, I am lying.

[ilovethelord]

Why does he say that your body parts cause you to sin when in fact they have nothing to do with thinking?
Beacuse if you did not have them it would only be a thought and not an action once its in action its in the light...

[MagusAlbertus]

i said Christians shouldn't 'have' them, but what i intended was Christians shouldn't
'get' them.

But personal conviction here, i just don't see how it brings Glory to God's temple.

[Shannonkish]

Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I [am] the LORD.

Now Look At This New Testament Verse

1Cr 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

This Verse Clearly Says your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost

The Word Body Their in the Greek is
Greek Ref #4484 so-mat-ee-kos' = Physical body

as christians we are purly just the dirt=Body that is holding the holy Ghost in us..

So we are not to have tattos http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/pray.gif

Ilovethelord,

This is a completely erroranus accusation.. the verse you quote says nothing about tattoos or body ornamination, but rather that our bodies are not our own. No where in context is that verse talking about body ornamination. Therefore, your study and interpretation has proven itself to be incorrect.

1ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;


Let me guess, you are one that takes every word of the bible as literal, rather than the several genres and literary types that it is.

One could say that this verse is literal, and that is literally means not to braid your hair, or wear jewlry, OR....

One could study the verse in context and read the verse and see that this chapter is not talking about outward appearances as it is talking about the attitudes of the heart. You understand this when you read it in context: The following verse talks about good works.... which is not a physical thing, or an outward appearance thing, it is a matter of the heart.

Jas 2:2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;
Jas 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

Again, in context.. this verse has NOTHING to do with the fact that the man is wearing a gold ring, nor is it condemning the man that does.. It is a matter of the heart saying that as christians we should treat all men, poor and rich, equally...

Please, if you are goin to quote verses... study them, and read them in context... because when you take them out of context you can infere whatever meaning you want... but that doesn't make you right.

[Shannonkish]

Beacuse if you did not have them it would only be a thought and not an action once its in action its in the light...

I disagree... if you entertain thoughts, you are sinning... that is why the bible says to take captive your thoughts... as well as Jesus says that if a man lusts after a woman in his heart [mind], he has committed adultery. If you have unrighteous anger (which is an emotion, which comes from thinking and the thought process) you have committed murder.

Thoughts by themselves, and when taken captive are not sins... but when you entertain those those... they become sin.

[ilovethelord]

Shannon Kish No but in the right context through studying and prayer and fasting.Also CrossRefrence you will see those scripters are not out of context look it up in any good vines strongs look up the very thing we are talking about I can give you the pages they are and the refrences its sad to say but you honestly should practice what you preach and study for your self the word of God before trying to justify your sin. Its all over the bible ask your Pastor if its a Godly THing I am sure you will get an answer you wont like. Thanks and God Bless..

[Shannonkish]

A) It is NOT a sin to get a tattoo... and no scripture in the OT will convince me of that...

B) A LOT OF PRAYER went into my getting a tattoo... and John 10:10 says that I hear the voice of my shepherd, a voice of a stranger, I do not listen to. I prayed, and felt that God was giving me the blessing and allowing me to get a tattoo.

C) As a Senior Christian Studies major who reads/interprets the bible for a living, I think I have a hold on what I am talking about. Check out a CREDIBLE commentary on those verses and you will find that the inferances that you made from them are not listed. By credible, I am not talking Matthew Henry's Commentary.. try something CREDIBLE!

D) My pastor has several tattoos himself... and is the pastor of one of the fasting growing churches in my area with about 1,000 members to date... One of the most godly men I know...

[Krystina661]

There is nothing wrong with tattoos. :)

[deu58]

Hello Shannon Kish

One could say that this verse is literal, and that is literally means not to braid your hair, or wear jewelry, OR..
One could study the verse in context and read the verse and see that this chapter is not talking about outward appearances as it is talking about the attitudes of the heart. You understand this when you read it in context: The following verse talks about good works.... which is not a physical thing, or an outward appearance thing, it is a matter of the heart.

Again, in context.. this verse has NOTHING to do with the fact that the man is wearing a gold ring, nor is it condemning the man that does.. It is a matter of the heart saying that as Christians we should treat all men, poor and rich, equally...

Please, if you are going to quote verses... study them, and read them in context... because when you take them out of context you can infere whatever meaning you want... but that doesn't make you right.
All these verses are literal, Paul is addressing how the members should present themselves physically as Christians, as Christians we are supposed to be separate from the world, If we adopt the habits and mannerisms of the world then how do we stand out as Christian witnesses when no body can recognize us?

Perhaps you think it is better for us to adorn our selves with expensive fashions and jewelry and from our churches condemn every body to hell. That is about the only way a non Christian can really recognize a Christian anymore. Just look for the person that is condemning every body to hell and you have found the Christian.

James is saying the same thing, The person of wealth who comes to church to show their wealth can distract the church from its original mission, eventually the people of wealth will gain control of the church much as has happened in many organized church's today. the poor are shuffled to the side,

Now I realize some think this means we should live in poverty and have to walk a mile to the creek to fetch water, this is just another form of extremism, So you are working in your house and your hair keeps falling in your face, is that what Paul meant by not Braiding your hair? No, What he was talking about was the habits of rich women who braided pearls into their hair,

The verses are in context, If you want to get a Tattoo go get one, It is your personal choice, But if we take the entire bible in context I do not think you can support a position that the bible says it is ok for Christians today to get tattoo's.

yours in Christ
deu58

[Shannonkish]

While, I don't have the time, the patience or the energy to respond or to argue with you about the verses you shared, mainly because even if I did present evidence that supports what I said (concerning the scriptures) you would probably still disagree.. So in saying that.. I will say that I disagree with you, and I will leave it at that.

HOWEVER...
The verses are in context, If you want to get a Tattoo go get one, It is your personal choice, But if we take the entire bible in context I do not think you can support a position that the bible says it is ok for Christians today to get tattoo's

If it is a matter of personal choice.. which you, yourself stated... then it is NOT a law, nor is it something that you can say is a sin for everyone.. Take for example 1 Cor. 8. To the Jews, who were born jewish and had learned and memorized the law from the beginning, eating meat sacrificed to idols was a sin.. HOWEVER, to those Gentiles, the new Christians, that weren't taught the mosaic law it wasn't a sin... Why? Because the convictions of the Jewish, were to not eat meat sacrificed to idols, The convictions of the Gentiles, why not eat meat? Jesus paid the ultimate Price for our sins and no amount of legalism, good works, etc can replace that.

As a gentile, not a Jew... I was NEVER under the Mosaic law... As a Gentile, it is a matter of "personal choice" or conviction that a tattoo is not wrong/sin FOR ME.. For you, it may be.. but that applies to a lot of places.. Alcohol is another HUGE issue that is argued to be a sin/not a sin many times... no blanket conclusion has ever been found in scripture.. why? Because depending on your walk of life... the path that God has chosen for you... drinking alcohol may hinder your witnes.. or it may help/enhance it. Depending on the walk of life that God chose for you.

Praise God that I do NOT live under the letter of the law, but rather the spirit of the Law and that He sent Jesus to die on the cross because even if I followed the letter of the law, I would not be worthy enough to enter God's presence. Praise God that He also sent the Holy Spirit to be my counselor and to guide me in the so called grey areas that are present, like alcohol, tattoos, etc. Praise God that I AM NOT CONDEMNED by God for what some call a sin, while others get offended and condemn me because of their legalistic views of scripture and life. Praise God that I cannot earn my way to heaven, but rather it was a gift given to me, out of love, from the one that sent his son to die on the cross for me. Praise God that I am the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus.. and that everything is permissable, but not all things are benefical and that He gave us the Holy Spirit to discern what things are beneficial.. Praise God that through my so-called object of sin, my tattoo, I was able to lead someone who would not have come into my life any other way (the Tattoo Artist) to Christ. Praise God, that HE is the judge of my righteousness and NOT humans, and that HE has called me righteous because I am in him.

[deu58]

hello Shannon

You are putting words in my mouth, The topic is should a christian get a Tattoo. I say no. The topic expanded ,as it should ,does the Bible support getting a Tattoo. Again I say no and I also said the verses are in context. But neither did I say or allude to that you would be condemned for it.

It is like polygamy. God permitted it but the bible shows that those marriages were full jealousies and problems. It is better to follow what God originaly intended.

as to taking verses out of context you have taken a whole slew of verses that relate primarily to food and used them to justify Tattoo's.

Then you bring up alcohol. The scripture is plain, Drunkeness is a sin, But does that mean having a beer or glass of wine or what not is a sin? no. In fact there is a Old Testament verse where God tells Israel he has set aside a day where they can drink till they drop


De 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

I do not drink, that is my choice, you want to get another tattoo go ahead, Get your ears tattood as port and starboard running lights so what?^_^ But no matter what you say the Bible does support you saying tattoo's are a good thing for a Christian to get and That we should encourage other Christians to get some to.

And you are probably right that I would not accept your interpretations of scripture, I still believe in God as a King and ruler of the universe and not a big fluffy Teddy Bear who says anything goes, This is not an insult , I am just saying I do not buy into the new generation of Dr. feelgood theology

yours in Christ
deu58

[Krystina661]

I still believe in God as a King and ruler of the universe and not a big fluffy Teddy Bear who says anything goes
Very true. ^_^

[jepvc4]

Ditto that kristina.

About tatoos, I do not think that they are a sin, nor are they inherently wrong.
Two verses, then my thoughts.

1 Corinthians 10:23
"Everything is permissible"–but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"–but not everything is constructive.

1 Corinthians 9
20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some.

Now, my take on things. I don't think that a tatoo is wrong insomuch as it is breaking God's law. Sin is more a matter of the heart than it is a matter of deeds or action (this can be seen in Jesus's sermon on the mount where he uncovers lust and hatred as being equal to the actions of adultry and murder, although they are deeds in the heart), and if in some reason you are getting the tatoo and it is causing you in your heart to sin, then yes, the tatoo is wrong.

Secondly, Paul says that not everything is beneficial, as stated above in 1 Corinthians 10:23. I did not post the passage, but when Paul is talking about eating meat sacrificed to idols, he specifically puts forth an example of a situation where what you are doing isn't inherently wrong but may still cause someone else to stumble. This could be the case with the tatoo, because it may lead someone to confusion or mixed feelings about Christians and how they behave. On the other hand....

The second passage explains how Paul strives to be able to relate to all people so that he might bring the gospel to them. Paul knows that in order to be trusted, he must be accepted by all peoples he encounters. To make an example, you wouldn't go to France, set up a church, and preach to people in english. You would learn French, you would study the culture, you would associate with French, so that you might be able to build a relationship and reach them for Christ. Another example would be how there are Christian organizations for bikers, trucker churches, etc. In my college campus church, we have all types of people. We have a rock band that plays worship, but also play secular songs that have some sort of message that ends up being addressed in some way. We have people into skateboarding, and people who are into coffeeshops. People who are into hip hop, and people who are into sports. The main thing is, these people all have the opportunity to reach a select people group. If your tatoo fits you and your image and the people you associate with, then you're no different than them except for the Spirit living inside of you.

James

[jepvc4]

I am just saying I do not buy into the new generation of Dr. feelgood theology



I agree with almost everything else you say in that above post, but I think that there is less Dr. Feelgood theology than you would think. At least, in proper God-fearing Bible preaching churches there's not. I hope I'm not taking you out of context though (and forgive me if I am!), and if this isn't aimed specifically at younger generations, then I apologize. There is a difference however, in preaching the love of God alongside the gravity of condemnation due to sin, and only preaching the love of God. The latter doesn't tend to persuade anyone of anything.

[deu58]

hi jepvc4

No offense taken, You can have 5 people who claim they hold the bible as true and have them each write a paper and get 5 different views, I should clarify generation, I am talking about the new bible interpretations of the modern church, I did not mean a specific age group.

We`would never really know if we are like minded or not unless we met face to face and look each other in the eye and explain our views where we can question each other directly.

I have butted heads with a few people who claim to believe the bible is their only authority and have a completly different view than others, mostly SDA's. I am married to an SDA so I know something about them and bang heads with them all the time.

Sometimes I get tired of calling them legalist so I come over to these threads and let other people call me a legalist for a while^_^

yours in Christ
deu58

[ilovethelord]

Shannon Kish

C) As a Senior Christian Studies major who reads/interprets the bible for a living, I think I have a hold on what I am talking about. Check out a CREDIBLE commentary on those verses and you will find that the inferances that you made from them are not listed. By credible, I am not talking Matthew Henry's Commentary.. try something CREDIBLE

I am sorry but seriously Where are y ou taking Senior Christian Studies at what university ? a secular one beacuse I would love to talk to your Theology Teacher. I also Graduated from Dallas Siminary School and now currently attend GlobalUniverisy
if you can please tell me where you study I would love to talk to them on their possition beacuse I belive that if you call your self a Christian but you live Luke Warm your going to hell and if anyone teaches you or guides you that way they are judge accordenly..

[Tangnefedd]

There is nothing unchristian about a tattoo, but one should think very carefully about having one as they are difficult to remove.

[HeatherJay]

Shannon Kish

C) As a Senior Christian Studies major who reads/interprets the bible for a living, I think I have a hold on what I am talking about. Check out a CREDIBLE commentary on those verses and you will find that the inferances that you made from them are not listed. By credible, I am not talking Matthew Henry's Commentary.. try something CREDIBLE

I am sorry but seriously Where are y ou taking Senior Christian Studies at what university ? a secular one beacuse I would love to talk to your Theology Teacher. I also Graduated from Dallas Siminary School and now currently attend GlobalUniverisy
if you can please tell me where you study I would love to talk to them on their possition beacuse I belive that if you call your self a Christian but you live Luke Warm your going to hell and if anyone teaches you or guides you that way they are judge accordenly..
Be careful. It's against the forum rules to imply that any person is not a true Christian. Wouldn't want you to get reported.

Love, Heather

[ilovethelord]

Thanks Heather, I dont mind seriously If I get banned for standing up for the word of God Give him all the Glory Amen.. But anyone that says they are a christian and belives in tattooing may be a christian but a Luke Warm one I think that is what I was saying.. hehe and well the bible says what happens when your luke warm not sold out.. for the God Fight the good Fight and don't give up beacuse glory is comming soon..

[Krystina661]

But anyone that says they are a christian and belives in tattooing may be a christian but a Luke Warm one

:rolleyes:

[GodBoy809]

i'm in the not sure crowd on this one. However, i believe that this is something that is up to the person to decide whether or not its right for them.

[jepvc4]

I belive that if you call your self a Christian but you live Luke Warm your going to hell and if anyone teaches you or guides you that way they are judge accordenly..

Can you give us some scripture for this? If you quote Revelation, them be sure to note that Christ is saying "I am ABOUT to vomit you out of my mouth".

Be very careful about what you judge to be lukewarmness. I think this looks like a slippery slope type argument. Also, someone might not know something they are doing is wrong, or may just not be convicted of it. It doesn't mean that they are lukewarm though, unless of course they know how they should be, and aren't striving for that.

James

[ilovethelord]

Can you give us some scripture for this? If you quote Revelation, them be sure to note that Christ is saying "I am ABOUT to vomit you out of my mouth".

Be very careful about what you judge to be lukewarmness. I think this looks like a slippery slope type argument. Also, someone might not know something they are doing is wrong, or may just not be convicted of it. It doesn't mean that they are lukewarm though, unless of course they know how they should be, and aren't striving for that.

James


Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. THIS IS THE KJV of the bible it says I will spue thee out of my mouth..also I am not the Judge brother but the word is a lamp unto my feet and in which I live my life according to..

[jepvc4]

Reading further into that passage....

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Christ is persuading them to come to him and become hot. So, although it does say "Spue thee" in the KJV, and in several translations says "will vomit" and also some other translations "about to vomit", I must think that they are not totally lost at this point, and this is more of a warning.

Also, again I say that you cannot judge someone to be lukewarm based on having a tattoo, or some other minor thing, without looking at the person as a whole. I've seen several Christians who you wouldn't expect to be at first glance on the outside, but are white hot for God inside and put many a suit-wearing-Sunday-going-blood-bought Christian to shame.

In all, I advise strongly to be careful of judging someone who claims Christ to be going to hell. You just might end up finding them a little closer to the head of the table than you are at the big ol' dinner banquet.

[ilovethelord]

Also, again I say that you cannot judge someone to be lukewarm based on having a tattoo, or some other minor thing, without looking at the person as a whole. I've seen several Christians who you wouldn't expect to be at first glance on the outside, but are white hot for God inside and put many a suit-wearing-Sunday-going-blood-bought Christian to shame.

sadly enough I dont think its minor at all nothing is minor when God says it thats like saying that a sin does not equil a sin it does murder or a thief is all a sinner and I am not saying also I am not a sinner beacuse we are born in to sin.. But here is the thing we need to Stand up for the word of God and the Word of God is Clear on this..

Remember that we are called to be are brothers watchmen..

[Shannonkish]

am sorry but seriously Where are y ou taking Senior Christian Studies at what university ? a secular one beacuse I would love to talk to your Theology Teacher. I also Graduated from Dallas Siminary School and now currently attend GlobalUniverisy
if you can please tell me where you study I would love to talk to them on their possition beacuse I belive that if you call your self a Christian but you live Luke Warm your going to hell and if anyone teaches you or guides you that way they are judge accordenly..

I go to Union University in Jackson, TN. A Southern Baptist School...

But anyone that says they are a christian and belives in tattooing may be a christian but a Luke Warm one I think that is what I was saying.

Wow, pretty strong words... especially for something that has yet to be proven a sin... I guess according to YOUR standards, I am a Lukewarm Christian simply because I have a tattoo.... THANK GOD THAT HE DOES NOT GO BY YOUR STANDARDS!

[Shannonkish]

sadly enough I dont think its minor at all nothing is minor when God says it thats like saying that a sin does not equil a sin it does murder or a thief is all a sinner and I am not saying also I am not a sinner beacuse we are born in to sin.. But here is the thing we need to Stand up for the word of God and the Word of God is Clear on this..

Can you please use the college degree you received and retype that paragraph because none of it is coherent?

[Droobie]

:topic:

Please be aware of forum rule number 1. We are here to edify the body of Christ, not belittle, or flame one another.

[Oblivious]

To those who "think" that tattooing is a sin - please show me some specific Biblical prove of such. And I don't need to see the verse from Leviticus, as Jesus came to fulfill the new law not the old law.

I believe when it's judgment day God is going to be looking at my heart and how I conducted my life according to His will, and not the fact that I have a tattoo on my ankle

[jepvc4]

Amen

[Shannonkish]

To those who "think" that tattooing is a sin - please show me some specific Biblical prove of such. And I don't need to see the verse from Leviticus, as Jesus came to fulfill the new law not the old law.

gee. it got awfully quiet in here after that... :)

[msjones21]

I think tattoos can be an awesome expression of one's self. Just make sure you're getting exactly what you want and where you want it.

[Ann M]

In reply to Oblivious,

when this subject came up in a bible study a few years ago the passage quoted was 1 Corinthians 7:19 :holy:

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own."

This line was quoted repeatedly by a member who was tatooed and hated her tatoos now. :(

My faith tells me to do unto others as I would have them do unto me, so I cannot judge whether a christian should or shouldn't have tatoos, but I know that I do not wish to have one myself.

I respect others right to their own opinion on this matter . :pink:

[godslilangel]

I think that as long as the tattoo is like, a Christian sign, like a cross, then I think it's a great way to lead people to Christ. But, I'm not totally sure that it's ok to have one since the Bible tells us to respect our bodies (meaning no piercings or tattos).

[msjones21]

I respect your opinion Ann M, and you certainly don't ever have to get a tattoo if you don't want one. To each his own. I did want to mention the verse you referenced. I believe the temple of the Holy Spirit means different things to different people. Overeating or eating unhealthy foods destroys the temple as well as not exercising or consuming caffeine. There are many ways to destroy the temple. I think oftentimes we, as Christians, tend to turn a blind eye to other ways we destroy it and point the finger at people who get tattoos or piercings.

[Shannonkish]

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own

While that is a great verse... no where in that verse is it saying that you shouldn't have tattoos or piercings... It simply states that the Holy Spirits dwells inside you and that you are not your own.

[Oblivious]

In reply to Oblivious,

when this subject came up in a bible study a few years ago the passage quoted was 1 Corinthians 7:19 :holy:

"Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own."

Not specific enough for me. That verse is very vague and could mean many things. I don't see how that verse can justify that it is wrong to have artwork permanently on your skin.


My faith tells me to do unto others as I would have them do unto me, so I cannot judge whether a christian should or shouldn't have tatoos, but I know that I do not wish to have one myself.

I respect others right to their own opinion on this matter . :pink:

Thanks and I respect your great attitude! :)

[deu58]

Hi Shannon

You said
Holy Spirits dwells inside you and that you are not your own
PleaseMeditate on your own words for awhile.

yours in Christ
deu58

[Shannonkish]

Deu..

Thanks.. I have and do on a daily basis... again.. it doesn't relate to tattoos in any way.

[Iddie4him]

I am a Christian and I happen to have 7 tattos on my arms and I don't see anything wrong with them. 4 of them are the names of my children and my wife. If you have a problem with inkwork, Then don't post here. I also have my ear and my tongue pierced. Does that make me a bad person or a lukewarm Christian ?
I think not......

[Shannonkish]

AMEN!

[deu58]

hello iddieforhim

yousaid
If you have a problem with inkwork, Then don't post here
Gee sorry, I did not realize this thread was only for people who agreed with your position.

yours in Christ
deu58

[Shannonkish]

deu,

Do you have to be so argumentative?

[ilovethelord]

I thought this was For everyone, Why put it on a board Then if you don't want good comments that are btw THE WORD OF GOD?>
hello iddieforhim

yousaid

Gee sorry, I did not realize this thread was only for people who agreed with your position.

yours in Christ
deu58

[deu58]

Hello shannon

My point exactly, Why was the thread not named something like this thread is only for people who agree with us that christians should have tattoo's

yours in Christ
deu58

[ilovethelord]

Well I praise god that I called your school I pray you would talk to

Dr.George Guthrie..
on this issue at your school as I belive that they dont teach this nor would teach this..

Thanks God Bless
[/font]

I go to Union University in Jackson, TN. A Southern Baptist School...



Wow, pretty strong words... especially for something that has yet to be proven a sin... I guess according to YOUR standards, I am a Lukewarm Christian simply because I have a tattoo.... THANK GOD THAT HE DOES NOT GO BY YOUR STANDARDS!

[Krystina661]

Well I praise god that I called your school


:eek:

[Shannonkish]

ilovethelord,

don't teach what?? And yes, thank you.. I know Dr. George Guthrie very well as well as the rest of the Christian Studies Professors... I don't need you telling me to talk to my professors about something... Congratulations, you called Dr. Guthrie, I hope you had a great time talking to him as well. I know that I love talking to him.

What did this prove??

One question-- and this is for everyone-- is the issue of getting a tattoo, or drinking alcohol, or any other similar issue really vital? Does it make a difference? an eternal one? If so, then why is it not specifially- not vaguely- addressed in the bible? If it is not, then why are we wasting time on this idle talk and arguing about something that will neither get you into heaven, nor keep you out of it? It is a pointless conversation... you won't convince me that it is a sin, I won't convince you that it isn't... we are at a deadlock.. no NEW information is being presented... that being the case, I say we drop the subject and talk about something more important...

It is for this reason, the bickering and the arguing about pointless topics that people are turned off of Christianity... these issues don't mean that much.. and I doubt that God is sitting on His throne right now worrying that the world is going to hell in a hand basket all because some Christians believe differently than others and chose to get a tattoo or drink alcohol.

Let's get to more pertitent issues please.

[mxyzptlk]

Here's an interesting article on BMEzine (Body Modification Ezine) called "Does God Hate Your Tattoos?", including mini interviews with tattoed Christians, even a youth pastor-to-be. I hope you find it interesting too (I still have only browsed through about ten of the twenty pages here, so I apologize if the article has been linked already!).

http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20031102.html

[Droobie]

*mod hat on*

I have been called out for my lack of direction here because I have not stated my own personal beliefs. Let me point out, the role of moderation on these boards is not so much teaching, but more a facilitation of discussion. Yes, one of the aims of Christian Forums is to inform and provide some form of teaching in a sense.

However, Christian Forums dos not exist to enforce a 'particular' interpretation of the Bble, or style of worship, or way of Chrstianity. We seek to have a non-denominational open forum for discussion for Christians all around the world, no matter what stripe you come in.

Yes, these forums are open to all to post. What our staff member Iddie4him was saying though is that if this topic irritates you so much, then please refrain from posting something non-edifying. That is, if you do not have something nice to say, don't say anything at all.

That does not mean we do not want conflicting discussions. Not at all, that would make for a very boring forum. However, there are 'ways' you can say things. That being said, I think a lot of people need to take a chill pill, and not get worked up over everything someone says. If I took to heart everything that people have said to me through CF, I would probably want to stab my eyes out to keep me from reading.

We would like discussions conducted in a friendly, and edifying manner. While we do tolerate differing viewpoints of scripture, we will not tolerate personal flaming of other members for their beliefs. Agree to disagree and then leave it be!

*mod hat off*

That being said, I shall venture my views on this subject.

I believe that it is okay to have tattoos. I do not have one myself. Nor do I believe that I