What do you think of tattoos?

[TasManOfGod]

I guess Tattoo's automatically make you really cool or something.... being cool is obviously worth the all the pain that comes with getting one.. hah. i dont see the point.. unless its on your face.. no one can see it if your fully clothed.

We are the body of Christ.. :wave:
Yes we sure are the body of Christ and Jesus will be coming for His - without spot or wrinkle

I wondered about your post and perceived this:
Supposing that when we go to be with the Lord certain parts of our nature might remain in our spiritual bodies that were once in our earthly bodies. When I bought tattoos into this equation I wondered if they may go with the believer and why wasn't the "washing of the water of the word" cleanse us of this. When contemplating this I immediately thought that perhaps those who had appropriated the Word in regards to tattoos would receive that "washing" but that those who didn't would not. It is not inconceivable therefore that tattoos wherever they might be might be in our terrestial state a constant reminder of our earthliness

just some of my thoughts
blessing
Tas

[Alice the Sister]

As long as you can still maintain respect and set a good example. nothing is 'wrong' with tattoos as long as you...


"Don't trash your temple, man...."

~GCD

[TasManOfGod]

As long as you can still maintain respect and set a good example. nothing is 'wrong' with tattoos as long as you...


"Don't trash your temple, man...."

~GCD
Let's not trash the Word too eh man?

TMOG

[Shannonkish]

Let's not trash the Word too eh man?

Heaven forbid we paraphrase the Bible or put it into modern language.

[porcupine]

By the way I repeat something that I previously posted and that is I dont have problems with Christians who have tattoos just that they are glad they have them

I dont regard that as a personal attack rather an expression of my own opinion of tattoos themselves (Lev 19:28)
If I was against people with tattoos I would have said so in the comment

Just by way of further explanation; I would not be against homosexuals either but abhor homosexuality
I would also not hate somebody who prostituted their daughter (Lev 19:29) but I would hate the practice of it

blessing
Tas

No it probably doesn't qualify as a personal attack like name-calling, but it does indicate a condemnation or strong diaproval of someone being glad they have a tattoo -- regardless of the initial motive for the tattoo. In this case, Shannon has given an explanation about her reason for getting a tattoo and i think we should be gracious enough to believe her report unless we have evidence to the contrary. Love believes all things and is slow to take account of offenses.

[Shannonkish]

In this case, Shannon has given an explanation about her reason for getting a tattoo and i think we should be gracious enough to believe her report unless we have evidence to the contrary. Love believes all things and is slow to take account of offenses.

Porcupine,

Thank you! That was rather encouraging and I needed that today.

[TasManOfGod]

I repeat for those who are hard of hearing

I dont have problems with Christians who have tattoos

I just have problems with tattoos

This is one of two choices I have in respect to the thread question :
"What do you think of tattos"
Now if people have problems with me for having that view there is nothing that I can do about it save changing my opinion.

And I am not about to do that !!!

blessing
Tas

[Shannonkish]

But Tas,

The problem comes with your posts... you don't make it sound like all you have is a problem with tattoos, but rather a problem with the people..

Examples--
I perceive by your answers that you really do consider tattoos as mutilation otherwise you would have have no problem in doing your face or your baby
Well I hope the Lord understands. You will be able to compare body piercings too now

Oblivius, The matter of having tattoos is not in question What is tho is the heart attitude towards them

The problem is not about having them but whether you have acknowledged that getting them was a sin, repenting of that and asking forgiveness. It certainly is not allright to support others who want them or to "show-off" the ones you have.


The laws of God are now written on the heart. Can God be responsible for illiteracy?

Your mind probably believes that tats are OK and your will says you wont change your will and God let's you have your own free will

Perhaps you ought to give up all your preconceived ideas and hear what God is really saying to you

I suppose you also believe that a little sin is alright with God but a big one is not. Further He doesn't show us where the dividing line is so that in that way we can do a big one and think it was a little one

Well I don't serve that kind of God


Shannon
It is a nce story and I believe that you genuinely believe it is OK - but it was still your will to go get it- it was what YOU wanted . Was it what God wanted for you to have? God doesn't interfere with our will. He never did with Eve (or Adam) and nobody since.


have judged no one but judged sin and found it guilty. If you think that is playing at being God so be it
I personally think it is playing at being God when people believe that they can enhance what God has created

Do you think your body looks better now?

Then have you asked God to forgive you for making it look worse than when He made it? By the Way-- in this post you were basically calling those with tattoos sinners because of the fact that they have tattoos...

Well I dont guorge holes in the walls and fill them with indelible ink if that is what you are asking - I just put some nice clothes on it

Anyway you already said you naughty girl and sorry for getting tattoo and I hope you never ever do it again

Actually it is liberal christianity that makes it confusing
Remember that Jesus wanted people to be more righteous than the scribes and pharisees .. and they obeyed the laq.

Perhaps Shannon's debaing "skills" could be better used convincing tattoo enthusiasts about her love of God rather than convincing God enthusiasts about her love of tattoos. That way she would be quite fruitful


By the way I repeat something that I previously posted and that is I dont have problems with Christians who have tattoos just that they are glad they have them

[TasManOfGod]

Anything that is not of God is sin....

.....and tattoos are not of God otherwise He would not have spoken against them in Lev 19:28 "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you. I am the Lord." (NKJV)

When the great I AM says something dont you think we ALL should listen

blessing
Tas

[TasManOfGod]

Here is an interesting article that may interest some:









Are Tattoos OK For Christians?




Question) Is it okay for a Christian to get a tattoo?


Answer) No. The Bible is clear that is not a practice of a believer. Scripture says,
Leviticus 19:28 (KJS) Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 19:28 `you shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

In The Old testament many people had tattoos made for religious or worldly purposes.

Most people I know who have tattoos had them made before they were Christians (while they were drunk). The biggest emotion I hear from them is regret. There is no condemnation to those in Christ. Scars (and tattoos) are reminders of where you never want to go again.

As a new believer I was tempted to get a tattoo of a cross on me, thinking it would be a witness for the Lord and have meaning for me. I opted not to do this after someone pointed out the previous scriptures. Scripture also says to "glorify God in your body" (I Corinthians 6:20), not have Vinnie the tattoo artist carve a crucifix or butterfly on your posterior.

I love and accept people who have tattoos! I just don’t encourage them to get any more. I have a cousin who is a tattoo artist with his own shop. He has over 70% of his body tattooed. He has probably been featured in a magazine. I love him, but would not be impressed on a job interview.

Our desire and response to popular opinions or fads should be to honor God’s word.

1Thessalonians 5:23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.



My sentiments exactly

blessing
Tas

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Anything that is not of God is sin....

.....and tattoos are not of God otherwise He would not have spoken against them in Lev 19:28 "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you. I am the Lord." (NKJV)

When the great I AM says something dont you think we ALL should listen

blessing
Tas

Tas: Do you have a beard with the corners untrimmed? Do you wear tassles on the corners of your clothes? We are free from the Law, get out of the OT and read Galations. Should all males be cicumsized? Do you advocate stoning rebellious children at the ctiy gates? Don't pick and choose the parts of the Law you want people to be under. Paul says plainly that if you are under any of it then you are under all of it!

[Neenie]

Good points flesh99! :clap:

[TasManOfGod]

Tas: Do you have a beard with the corners untrimmed? Do you wear tassles on the corners of your clothes? We are free from the Law, get out of the OT and read Galations. Should all males be cicumsized? Do you advocate stoning rebellious children at the ctiy gates? Don't pick and choose the parts of the Law you want people to be under. Paul says plainly that if you are under any of it then you are under all of it!Ceremonial and sacrifice laws are one thing
Laws pertaining to holiness/righteousness are another

I dont think we should ignore verse 28 nor others including 29 the one straight after the one on tattoos :


Lev 19:28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Lev 19:29 Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.

What about the ten commandments. Is what God says there now
irrelavent too or have not all these "laws" been written on our hearts?

blessing
Tas

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

The verse right above the one about tattoos, how about that one? You are trying to impress the old Law here. We can leave the heavy ten out of it, they have no bearing on tattoos. You are picking and choosing and using lines not drawn anywhere in the scripture. Show me once that Paul says we are under ANY part of the Law. Your attempts to put us under the Law will not fly. I have 25 or so tats and will get more, and it is not a sin for me to do so, it is clear in the New Tetsament that we are not under the Law.


Lev 19:27 'You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard.


Do you follow that one?

[TasManOfGod]

get out of the OT and read Galations

good suggestion

here are some of relevant verses



Gal 3:20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.


There are many such passages that simply confirm that the righteousness once contained within the Law is now received by faith

blessing
Tas

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

Galations 3:1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ (2) was publicly portrayed as crucified?
2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Your own quote proves my point look at the last two verses, we are not under the Law man. Why do you want to be under that curse? Experience some of the freedom we have in Christ. Toss off the bondage of the Law!

[TasManOfGod]

Galations 3:1 You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ (2) was publicly portrayed as crucified?
2 This is the only thing I want to find out from you: did you receive the Spirit by the works of the Law, or by hearing with faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?

Your own quote proves my point look at the last two verses, we are not under the Law man. Why do you want to be under that curse? Experience some of the freedom we have in Christ. Toss off the bondage of the Law!
Surely you are not confusing covenants with righteousness . I thought not when you said to leave the 10 commandments out of the argument

[TasManOfGod]

What I hear out of the comments of some christians today is as if Paul is saying to the Galatians
"OK you ill informed Galatians, now that you follow Jesus you don't have to follow the law anymore so you can go out and get yourself tattooed and cause your daughter to become a prostitute. BUT if you keep the Law you have to make temple sacrifices instead of receiving Jesus but you can't have tattoos and you can't cause your daughter to be a prostitute."
I am sure that would have been completely understood by the Galations

[Shannonkish]

Flesh,

I wholeheartedly agree with you over this topic... however I most point out that arguing with Mr. Tas is futile and a waste of time. He is dead set in his ways.... he is dead set in following some laws but not the others... even though the new testament is VERY clear... you can point scripture out to him all day.. and it wouldn't matter because he will read into it however he so desires. Just give up arguing with him.. he talks in circles.

[Shannonkish]

Romans 4:6- But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Romans 5:17- For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Romans 9:30- What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;but Israel, pursuing a law of righteousness, did not arrive at {that} law.

For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Romans 10:3-4
For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

2 Cor. 5:21-He made Him who knew no sin {to be} sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. (I am the righteousness of God in Christ.)

Galatians 2:21- I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness {comes} through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

What I hear out of the comments of some christians today is as if Paul is saying to the Galatians
"OK you ill informed Galatians, now that you follow Jesus you don't have to follow the law anymore so you can go out and get yourself tattooed and cause your daughter to become a prostitute. BUT if you keep the Law you have to make temple sacrifices instead of receiving Jesus but you can't have tattoos and you can't cause your daughter to be a prostitute."
I am sure that would have been completely understood by the Galations

Sending your daughter out to prostitue would break the second most important commandment, you know the two most important, the ones that Christ gave us. In fact he said if you keep those you would fulfill the Law. You apprently don't know what the main issue Paul was dealing with Galations on was so furthring this conversation is useless. You can remain in bondage to Law if you so choose. I have been set free and he who is set free is free indeed.

[Shannonkish]

Great point Flesh!!!

[Hix]

Hooray!! everyone is free to break the law!! thats EXACTLY why G-d gave it and said it was eternal and Jesus taught it!! *points to sig*

Deuteronomy 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore His statutes, and His commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong [thy] days upon the earth, which the LORD thy G-d giveth thee, for ever.

Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear Me, and keep all My commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant (Jesus) [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~

[TasManOfGod]

Adding another post on my stats..
Do you have a Scripture verse to support that ? ;)

Tas

[TasManOfGod]

Hooray!! everyone is free to break the law!! thats EXACTLY why G-d gave it and said it was eternal and Jesus taught it!! *points to sig*

Deuteronomy 4:40 Thou shalt keep therefore His statutes, and His commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong [thy] days upon the earth, which the LORD thy G-d giveth thee, for ever.

Deuteronomy 5:29 O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear Me, and keep all My commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ezekiel 37:24 And David my servant (Jesus) [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

Shalom and G-d bless
~Hix~
Shalom

[TasManOfGod]

Sending your daughter out to prostitue would break the second most important commandment, you know the two most important, the ones that Christ gave us. In fact he said if you keep those you would fulfill the Law. You apprently don't know what the main issue Paul was dealing with Galations on was so furthring this conversation is useless. You can remain in bondage to Law if you so choose. I have been set free and he who is set free is free indeed.
wasn't this the main issue?


Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

My feeling is that this shows tattoos are still out

Tas

[porcupine]

Shalom

However,

Exodus 19:5-6
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Exodus 31:16
16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant.

The covenant is with the children of Israel, not with gentiles.

On another point,

What I hear out of the comments of some christians today is as if Paul is saying to the Galatians
"OK you ill informed Galatians, now that you follow Jesus you don't have to follow the law anymore so you can go out and get yourself tattooed and cause your daughter to become a prostitute. BUT if you keep the Law you have to make temple sacrifices instead of receiving Jesus but you can't have tattoos and you can't cause your daughter to be a prostitute."
I am sure that would have been completely understood by the Galations


Galatians 5:19-25
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[obuchiteck]

I heart my tattoo.. LOL ..


DAUM GENNA LIGHTEN UP..

[TasManOfGod]

Hix
From a Messianic point of view, you must be appalled at the understanding of the liberal Christians of today. It is almost at that point where you might ask a "believer" what church they attend and they would reply:
"Oh I go to the First Church of the Holy Tattoos, it's on the corner of Soddom Street and Gommorah Ave. just next to The Church of Causing your Daughters to be Prostitutes."

Tas

[obuchiteck]

Taz! i just gave ya 500 blessing.. why?? Because my tattoo told me to.. You just crack me up. Really! You make my day.. LOL.

[Oblivious]

Whenever someone can produce the "Thou shalt not tattoo" verse, let me know. And try going for a law that we actually live under today, okay?!

Until then, this whole thread has just become :sleep: , offensive, and should be locked.

Way too much stone throwing going on here. Don't anyone dare tell me to ask for forgiveness for something that you think is a sin. When you become perfect, talk to me then.......

[TasManOfGod]

Taz! i just gave ya 500 blessing.. why?? Because my tattoo told me to.. You just crack me up. Really! You make my day.. LOL.
If I had a tattoo I sure it would be telling me to say thanks ;)

[Shannonkish]

[Shannonkish]

Hix
From a Messianic point of view, you must be appalled at the understanding of the liberal Christians of today. It is almost at that point where you might ask a "believer" what church they attend and they would reply:
"Oh I go to the First Church of the Holy Tattoos, it's on the corner of Soddom Street and Gommorah Ave. just next to The Church of Causing your Daughters to be Prostitutes."

Tas
How INCREDIBLY judgmental of you!

[TasManOfGod]

How INCREDIBLY judgemental of you!
Indeed as I have said:

I have judged sin and found it guilty
Tas

[Blessed-one]

Rule No. 1 - No "Flaming"

1) You will not post any messages that harass, insult, belittle, threaten or flame another member or guest. This will include misquoting another member out of context. You may discuss another member's beliefs but there will be no personal attacks on the member himself or herself. This includes implied accusations that another member is not a Christian.

Flaming from both sides.

Thread closed for the time being.