Did God forgive Judus?

[Neenie]

I was just thinking when Judas did the grievous sin of betraying Jesus, was he forgiven when he was deeply remorseful and hanged himself? I know it says somewhere that Jesus said it would have been better if had not been born, and he was given plenty of warnings prior to the event. I’m just curious.

[seangoh]

Hi Janine, i've actually answered this in another thread but i can't seem to find it..this forum is so big!!. I won't go into typing my thoughts but so far this (http://www.whiteestate.org/books/da/da76.html)is the best explanation of what happened and why Judas won't be seen in heaven. Hope you're the reading kind..:)

[SpiritPsalmist]

From all appearences in scripture Judas never repented. He felt bad for himself but he did not repent.

[drdeancrosby]

The problem is that sins can not be forgiven unless they are repented for.People who commit suicide violate the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment but unlike members of the military who can frequently repent and ask God for forgiveness if they kill someone,suicide victims are unable to ask for forgiveness.Their only hope is if they are rescued from death which of course didn't happen to Judas.His story in the bible is a good example of why the "once saved always saved" theory just is not true.Judas was one of Jesus' most trusted disciples before he fell into sin.

[Neenie]

Thank you for your posts :)

So Judas never repented but he was remorseful and I do believe he would have said sorry in his heart to God, he felt very bad in what he did and so he should. But wouldn’t God acknowledge that and be easier on him? Although he does deserve to be condemned.

[Neenie]

The problem is that sins can not be forgiven unless they are repented for.People who commit suicide violate the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment but unlike members of the military who can frequently repent and ask God for forgiveness if they kill someone,suicide victims are unable to ask for forgiveness.Their only hope is if they are rescued from death which of course didn't happen to Judas.His story in the bible is a good example of why the "once saved always saved" theory just is not true.Judas was one of Jesus' most trusted disciples before he fell into sin.

So if a Christian who loves God got very depressed made some mistakes couldn’t take the heat and resorts to suicide, Does God shun that person and cast them into hell for eternity? Because he or she could not repent of one sin? If your statement is true I think it’s very sad :(

[SpiritPsalmist]

Judas may have "felt sorry", but he did not repent and ask God for forgiveness. If he had, God, according to His own word would have forgiven him. It is my opinion that until Christ, on the cross announced "it is finished", Judas nor any of the other disciples were "saved" by grace. Judas did not repent, therefore Judas was not saved.

I personally don't know about suicide. We are saved by Grace not works. In my opinion, suicide shows a complete lack of knowing God. Since we don't know what takes place in those last moments of death only God can say. I believe that it is His desire that NONE perish without Him and I believe that He did and does go to great lengths to secure that in a persons life.

[seangoh]

Judas may have "felt sorry", but he did not repent and ask God for forgiveness. If he had, God, according to His own word would have forgiven him. It is my opinion that until Christ, on the cross announced "it is finished", Judas nor any of the other disciples were "saved" by grace. Judas did not repent, therefore Judas was not saved.

I personally don't know about suicide. We are saved by Grace not works. In my opinion, suicide shows a complete lack of knowing God. Since we don't know what takes place in those last moments of death only God can say. I believe that it is His desire that NONE perish without Him and I believe that He did and does go to great lengths to secure that in a persons life. Agree. Judas never ever imagined that his plan would go awry. And he never expected that his actions actually caused Jesus' death since he never expected Jesus to willingly die at that point in time. He expected Jesus to redeem Himself but oh was he so wrong. (Pro 14:12) That proved too much for him to handle and so he felt sorry about the whole situation but then, i believe he did not repent of his wrong doing. He was like "oh my, what have i done!" and he went to hang himself. period.

[chris0513]

I think we are all missing one core point. Judas did not take his own life. He took the life God gave him. None of us have the right to "resort to" suicide, because we were bought with the blood of Christ. Regardless of the implications of whether Judas repented beforehand or afterward (who's to say we can't repent afterwards?) Judas was the ultimate Indian Giver. He took what was not his and destroyed it. If our bodies are God's temple, then, at the time, he rejected the ultimate gift God gives; life. As for someone's comment about someone committing "one sin" by resorting to suicide: believe me, if someone is to the point where they are considering suicide there has been many more than one sin. At the very least, suicide impugns the very nature of God. We know that all things are possible with God, (Phillippians), ergo, someone who is depressed (i.e. manic, catatonic schizophrenia, etc) must believe God for healing. We as the Church are not doing enough healing. We need to be out there laying our hands on people, healing the lame, but that's another post.

Chris

[SpiritPsalmist]

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[zao77]

judas was tortured by demons until his death. luke 22:2,3, or 4 talks about how satan entered the body of judas to betray jesus. this meaning that satan himself was the responsible for jesus' demise not judas. judas was not at fault for what he did.... it was all preordained. it had to happen for the salvation of the world. christ knew he didn't mean to do what he did and he can understand his reasoning for ending his life. i really don't think god would forsake judas.
imagine waking up one day and being held responsible for the death of our lord and savior jesus christ. though at that time he didn't know that jesus was to become our savior. all he knew is that he was responsible for death of the son of god. most people feel incredible guilt when they kill someone..... it haunts them for years. let alone killing the son of god. in his mind he was doing the world a favor and himself a favor by killing himself. it was either live a life of exile, tortured day after day of the thought that you killed your best friend and the greatest man to ever walk the earth or not to live life at all. i do believe that judas is in heaven, for he is one of the reasons all of us are going there.

[Neenie]

judas was tortured by demons until his death. luke 22:2,3, or 4 talks about how satan entered the body of judas to betray jesus. this meaning that satan himself was the responsible for jesus' demise not judas. judas was not at fault for what he did.... it was all preordained. it had to happen for the salvation of the world. christ knew he didn't mean to do what he did and he can understand his reasoning for ending his life. i really don't think god would forsake judas.
imagine waking up one day and being held responsible for the death of our lord and savior jesus christ. though at that time he didn't know that jesus was to become our savior. all he knew is that he was responsible for death of the son of god. most people feel incredible guilt when they kill someone..... it haunts them for years. let alone killing the son of god. in his mind he was doing the world a favor and himself a favor by killing himself. it was either live a life of exile, tortured day after day of the thought that you killed your best friend and the greatest man to ever walk the earth or not to live life at all. i do believe that judas is in heaven, for he is one of the reasons all of us are going there.

Interesting. So it was Satan? It doesn’t sound right that Judas would just turn around and betray Jesus like that, and then kill himself. He would’ve had to been under the influence of demons.

[ben hur]

BUT, Judas did steal money from the money box he was in charge of and did not repent of that. Thou shall not steal. He is burning in hell.

[CeCe]

judas was tortured by demons until his death. luke 22:2,3, or 4 talks about how satan entered the body of judas to betray jesus. this meaning that satan himself was the responsible for jesus' demise not judas. judas was not at fault for what he did.... it was all preordained. it had to happen for the salvation of the world. christ knew he didn't mean to do what he did and he can understand his reasoning for ending his life. i really don't think god would forsake judas.
imagine waking up one day and being held responsible for the death of our lord and savior jesus christ. though at that time he didn't know that jesus was to become our savior. all he knew is that he was responsible for death of the son of god. most people feel incredible guilt when they kill someone..... it haunts them for years. let alone killing the son of god. in his mind he was doing the world a favor and himself a favor by killing himself. it was either live a life of exile, tortured day after day of the thought that you killed your best friend and the greatest man to ever walk the earth or not to live life at all. i do believe that judas is in heaven, for he is one of the reasons all of us are going there.
The only reason any of us have the hope of heaven is because of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you have a scripture reference that Judas is in Heaven? Jesus said in John 17:12: While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled.

He also says in the 6th chapter of John (v.64) that "there are some of you who do not believe." He also goes on to call Judas "a devil" (v.70)

There is no scripture that states Judas ever believed. He may have allowed the enemy to control him, but he and he alone is responsible for that. Not God.

"The devil made me do it" may have been a popular saying in the 60's, but it has no scriptural foundation.

[the publican]

While Jesus mentioned that it would have been better if Judas had not been born, I believe that Jesus forgave Judas when, in the Gospel according to Matthew, Jesus told Judas, "Friend, why are you here?"

Although Jesus called Judas his betrayer when Judas arrived at the garden, he still called Judas his friend.

It has been said that people lose their right state of mind when they resolve to commit suicide. Therefore, Judas is not at fault when he committed suicide because of "insanity".

Jesus revealed himself to us so that we may believe and not to fully comprehend the totality of the Lord nor His love for us. :wave:

[oldrooster]

There are many parts of Jesus' teaching that our puny minds have a hard time understanding.

[Krystina661]

BUT, Judas did steal money from the money box he was in charge of and did not repent of that. Thou shall not steal. He is burning in hell.


Oh PLEASE!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[Rafael]

So if a Christian who loves God got very depressed made some mistakes couldn’t take the heat and resorts to suicide, Does God shun that person and cast them into hell for eternity? Because he or she could not repent of one sin? If your statement is true I think it’s very sad :(Ofcoure, suicide is sad for all envolved with it.:(The Lord is the only one that knows how to have perfect mercy and judgment towards the vessels of life He has created. We, as creatures, can only speculate, at best, how much God gave this vessel and what its purpose was in life. He then knowing what was given, knows to what degree one bears responsibility and then knows how to judge. We have not given life to Judas or any creature and therefore cannot judge. We can, however, love, as is our command and give the benefit of the doubt to all and hope the best for them without any malice in our own hearts.

[Neenie]

Ofcoure, suicide is sad for all envolved with it.:(The Lord is the only one that knows how to have perfect mercy and judgment towards the vessels of life He has created. We, as creatures, can only speculate, at best, how much God gave this vessel and what its purpose was in life. He then knowing what was given, knows to what degree one bears responsibility and then knows how to judge. We have not given life to Judas or any creature and therefore cannot judge. We can, however, love, as is our command and give the benefit of the doubt to all and hope the best for them without any malice in our own hearts.


Execelent post! I agree.

No one really knows If one commits suicide where they go. I know i have attemted a few times since I've been a Christian. Once we find the lord, the enemy gets very Jealous. I have been on a spiritaul rollercoaster for the last year or so, and i am going through very tough times at the momen't, since i have recommited my faith. If someone here can pray for me, i will be very greatfull, because i need it.


i do believe that judas is in heaven, for he is one of the reasons all of us are going there.

Well it does make sense, Did God plan it out? :scratch:

[Krystina661]

Ofcoure, suicide is sad for all envolved with it.:(The Lord is the only one that knows how to have perfect mercy and judgment towards the vessels of life He has created. We, as creatures, can only speculate, at best, how much God gave this vessel and what its purpose was in life. He then knowing what was given, knows to what degree one bears responsibility and then knows how to judge. We have not given life to Judas or any creature and therefore cannot judge. We can, however, love, as is our command and give the benefit of the doubt to all and hope the best for them without any malice in our own hearts.
I also agree. Wonderful post.

"..give the benefit of the doubt to all and hope the best for them without any malice in our own hearts." That makes for a great quote, that I think many should always keep in mind.

[12volt_man]

The problem is that sins can not be forgiven unless they are repented for.People who commit suicide violate the THOU SHALT NOT KILL commandment but unlike members of the military who can frequently repent and ask God for forgiveness if they kill someone,suicide victims are unable to ask for forgiveness.

Not to get off the subject, but since you brought it up, remember that the word used for murder is ratsach and that, in none of the handful of suicides we see in scripture do we see that word or an equivilent word used. If God considered suicide to be murder, then I would think that the word would be used at least once in conjunction with a suicide.