Kill Him!

[mjterry87]

How come we don't stone people to death anymore? The torah says to do it, right? So how come we don't do it?

[mjterry87]

LOL!

Sorry guys, maybe I did not word my quest right. What I ment to say is that the Torah says in some places that if somebody does something like cheat on their spouce, or have homosexual relations then they should be killed, right? Well howcome Orthodox Jews don't do this? Is it because the temple is not here? Anyways maybe a stupid question and the answer maybe obvious, but I was just wondering.


And to answer the previous question, I don't think that I have. I mean I try to observe sabbath and eat Kosher, but it is somethime pretty hard. Plust I may have done something that I should'nt have, what do you guys think?

[visionary]

We are under the covenant of grace, where the punishment is dished out by the legal authorities and we have our advocate in heaven who is pleading our cases before our heavenly Father.

[mjterry87]

I guess the question is whether it is even possible to do this now in this day and age. Even if people wanted to do this, it would cause a quite a stir.
There would be so much outrage from the entire world community... the UN would get involved to prohibit it ;)

So that is why the ultra-orthodox don't do it? I was just wondering because they follow the Torah so closley it seems.

[Henaynei]

LOL!

Sorry guys, maybe I did not word my quest right. What I ment to say is that the Torah says in some places that if somebody does something like cheat on their spouce, or have homosexual relations then they should be killed, right? Well howcome Orthodox Jews don't do this? Is it because the temple is not here? Anyways maybe a stupid question and the answer maybe obvious, but I was just wondering.


And to answer the previous question, I don't think that I have. I mean I try to observe sabbath and eat Kosher, but it is somethime pretty hard. Plust I may have done something that I should'nt have, what do you guys think?rabbinic Law (aka Oral Tradition) tells us that we may not do things like that when it is against the law of the land in which we live. The Jewish community had endured fatal persecution for millinea and they worked very hard to both honor and obey HaShem AND keep themselves below the radar of the local people and those in authority where they lived. How much more violent and devasting would be the onslaught of the people around them if they went aroung stoning folks??

Until Israel is a Theocracy run by Torah some things will not be applied.

[insaneinthebrain]

Until Israel is a Theocracy run by Torah some things will not be applied.
You stole my answer! :P

[Mother Vashti]

LOL!

Plust I may have done something that I should'nt have, what do you guys think? Nonsense, m'boy!
"Nothin' spells LOVIN' like marryin' yer COUSIN", and don't let nobody tell you different!

*spits* ptooie

[SaintGeorge]

Perhaps because Yeshua said, "Let he without sin cast the first stone."

[Mother Vashti]

Excellent response, Esran.

[mjterry87]

Well I would not stone anyone because Yeshua said not to, but I was just wondering why Jews don't. Anyways thanks for your answers you guy. LOL
Kind of a stupid question,huh? :sorry:

[CharlesYTK]

Not a stupid question really.

There are many things in te Torah that would seem to be either set aside, on hold or no longer applies in some way. For example the sacrifies of the feasts days and daily offerings. How to deal with false prophets. (lots of them walking around breahing good air.) So who desides what applies and what doesn't. How do we pick and choose from Gods law?

Some would divide the law into secions, like sarificial laws, moral laws, laws of commerace. However not all agree with this division and say there is only one complete law and all must be followed.

Where do YOU draw the line? and by what authority?

Charles

[ShirChadash]

It would seem that some would say this is the very reason one must have halacha, and the Talmud.

[CharlesYTK]

Except the Talmud is a collection of arguements and opinions and does not agree in every detail. In fact it contains restrictions and curses against "Missionaries" who were those who believed in Messiah Yeshua. This is why I think the most complete Halacha, and the one that is incumbent upon us is that of Yeshua.

Charles

[ShirChadash]

I knew you couldn't resist replying to that, Charles ;)

[CharlesYTK]

That is because it was baiting. But I believe you are on the exempt list aren't you? ;-)

[ShirChadash]

That is because it was baiting. But I believe you are on the exempt list aren't you? ;-) Uhm, no Charles it wasn't baiting. :confused: I was actually replying that it seems to me some people have a very good point about the need for halacha in response to your comment/mentioning of the difficulty in determining who what where when why etc.

And just what "exempt" list do you think *I* am on, exactly? *I* do not bait people, Charles (once again, I should think your and my history posting to one another on these and my own forum makes your comments to me -- not to mention your attitude -- unwarranted), and I also don't intend to lecture and to post disrespectfully to people, so what is it I need to be exempt from? I don' get it -- I was really happy to see you posting here again when you came back, Charles, but you seem to have come in gunning after having gotten your second-wind or something... and I can't figure out why you are making it out like everyone here except a token few are on your "hit list". S'not pleasant to me, Charles, and I am confused over and over why you have such an attitude??

[CharlesYTK]

Zem,

As they say. Don't get your knickers in a twist! That's what the little wink symbol was for, to let you know that I was just playing with you. Please forgive me for my comment. It was just a light hearted remark in response to yours about knowing I could not resist responding to your comment. We have had some good conversations in the past and I hope that we will in the future as well.

Charles