Same sex marriages

[Droobie]

Do you support or oppose?

Note: This is not to be a homosexuality debate...

[Wolseley]

Oppose. Marriage is between one man and one woman only.

[Roxa]

I oppose. God made marriages to be between a man and a woman.

[<><beckie><>]

oppose, for the same reason as wolseley

[msjones21]

I do not support homosexuals marrying. I do support civil unions. Homosexuals are people to and while I don't agree with their sin I don't understand why many Christians act as if abortion, homosexuality, and not being allowed to pray in schools are the worst issues. Instead of focusing on how wrong everyone around me is I try and ask God to do a work in my life. It's the only way I can reach those around me for Christ. Not only that, but homosexuality is just as sinful as gossip or lying in God's sight. Sin is sin to God.

[theeyesoftammyfaye]

support gay marriages. marriage has been around much longer than christianity, and in every culture across the globe.

[msjones21]

support gay marriages. marriage has been around much longer than christianity, and in every culture across the globe.
When did the first "marriage" take place, pray tell? The first marriage was between Adam and Eve. There are numerous marriages in the Bible. There are also countless examples of entire tribes being struck down for sexual disobedience; pedophilia, beastiality, incest, and homosexuality. Now, Christianity came to pass after Jesus died on the cross and was gloriously resurrected; however, even in God's Word prior to Jesus, homosexuality was covered in some detail.

[River88]

support gay marriages. marriage has been around much longer than christianity, and in every culture across the globe.
Yes, marriage has been around longer than Christianity, but Christianity comes from the Jewish religion, which was around thousands of years before. And it is not as if homosexuality just became wrong in God's eyes as Christianity came about with the birth of Christ, but references of the sin in homosexual relationships can be found in the Old Testament, as well.
And no, I do not support homosexual marriages.

[Konnie]

Yes, a marriage is between a husband and a wife.

[VigoMedic]

Without giving my opinion as a Christian and making this into, yet another, homosexual thread, I will just give my political opinion. :)

I think that homosexuals, as taxpayers themselves, should have EQUAL rights as far as the state is concerned. You can call it a "civil union" or a marriage or whatever, but gays and lesbians deserve their equal share of state benefits.

Peace!

[johnhusswannabe]

Oppose, God Created Adam and Eve. Marriage is an institution founded by God to encourage one another in their growth in Jesus Christ. How can homosexuals in a marriage encourage each other to grow in Jesus Christ when their lifestyle in sinful? It can't be done.
And yes homosexuality has been around longer than "Christianity" but God who created the universe and made the laws has been around longer than anything or anybody including homosexuals. Noah committed homosexual acts and God called it sin. And of course He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for its sinful debauchery, and homosexuals were incuded in the destruction. Quit jumping through hoops of fire to appear open minded. God is not open minded.

[sunshine]

I think that homosexuals, as taxpayers themselves, should have EQUAL rights as far as the state is concerned. You can call it a "civil union" or a marriage or whatever, but gays and lesbians deserve their equal share of state benefits.

Peace!
I like your answer, and I fully agree!

[Pray4Isrel]

Oppose it and will until the day I die :)

[stubbornkelly]

I agree with VigoMedic.

[Eleana]

Oppose...cos it's not God's will for adult of same sex to become one flesh.

[Eleana]

Vigomedic is right in saying they are taxpayers and enjoy state rights, civil rights, country rights and whatever rights you called it. I think most of the ppl here oppose to it is because married to same sex take away their Heaven rights...

[JillLars]

I support homosexual marriage.

All this talk about preserving the sanctity of marriage is a bunch of junk as far as I'm concerned, if marriage as God intended it is so important then why is divorce and adultery so rampant among heterosexual couples? I have yet to hear any outcry about the 52% divorce rate between heterosexual couples, including Christian couples. Instead of looking at our own faults, our own desires taking us away from the sanctity of marriage we focus all our energy on one group of people, homosexuals who want to commit themselves to one another for life, which is more than most people can say nowadays.

[*Jessica*]

God ordained marriage to be between a man and a women.:)

[Shimmerstar]

I support same sex marriage.

Love is blind, and Gods word is often twisted by the phobias of man.

"Love looks not with the eyes, but with the mind
And therefore is winged Cupid painted blind."

[Wolseley]

All this talk about preserving the sanctity of marriage is a bunch of junk as far as I'm concerned, if marriage as God intended it is so important then why is divorce and adultery so rampant among heterosexual couples? I have yet to hear any outcry about the 52% divorce rate between heterosexual couples, including Christian couples. Instead of looking at our own faults, our own desires taking us away from the sanctity of marriage we focus all our energy on one group of people, homosexuals who want to commit themselves to one another for life, which is more than most people can say nowadays.That's sort of the equivalent of saying that because so many people commit murder anyway, we might as well legalize it, don't you think?

The truth and rightness of the teaching of a church does not depend on the actions of it's members, fortunately.

Love is blind, and Gods word is often twisted by the phobias of man.How do you feel about the phobias of bestiality, incest, polygamy, pedophilia, and "group marriage", just out of curiosity?

Love is blind, after all.........

[Dr Kimble]

Judge not, lest ye be judged --Matthew 7:1

Do not look at the speck in your brothers eye, until you take the log out of your own eye --Matthew 7:4

[Rainbow.]

Do you support or oppose?

Note: This is not to be a homosexuality debate...

This has just been made legal in England.
To be honest i was quite surprise, i never thought it would happen, but then again i never really thought about it at all! lol :rolleyes:
Erm, i think if im being honest i'd have to say im against it :scratch: But then again it's not for me to be the judge of it, so i guess im not sure. I'd say im more on the No said than the Yes. :confused:
Maybe i wouldn't be so against a civil wedding ceremony, as i would a church one.

[Inspired]

Do you support or oppose?

Note: This is not to be a homosexuality debate...


looks like a debate to me

[Stormy]

I am totally against gay marriage.


Still, I know it is not my responsibility to hold the morals for this world. If they want a civil union and their share of tax credits and such, this is not mine to control. I see this as outside of my religion and faith... as is so much that takes place on this earth. :(

However, I can not give them my blessings.

[Rainbow.]

Oooops sorry, ok if i have to say one or the other i shall oppose.

[Stanfi]

Oppose. Marriage is between Man and Woman as God instituted. Anything else is a mockery of God's work.

[Droobie]

looks like a debate to me
True... a debate on homosexual marriage, not the act of homosexuality itself.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

If you don't believe in gay marriage, don't have one.

If you oppose it but are intellectually honest, cease criticizing LGBTs for promiscuity.

A loving marriage between two of the same gender is every bit as holy as one between heterosexuals.

[JillLars]

That's sort of the equivalent of saying that because so many people commit murder anyway, we might as well legalize it, don't you think?

So, you choose to equate two people of the same sex loving and caring for one another for life to murder? I'm sorry but I don't see any sort of comparison so that argument is moot. This isn't a matter of legalizing anything, its a matter of allowing same-sex couples to have the same rights as every other couple in this country is allowed.

The truth and rightness of the teaching of a church does not depend on the actions of it's members, fortunately.

It seems to me that the truth and rightness that many churches are teaching nowadays has more to do with the "sin" of homosexuality, than with the sins heterosexual Christians are committing that has been destroying the sanctity of marriage long before same-sex marriage ever became an issue.

[Wolseley]

So, you choose to equate two people of the same sex loving and caring for one another for life to murder?

No, I am simply saying that because people decide to engage in sinful behavior, that's not reason enough for society to legitimize it.

It seems to me that the truth and rightness that many churches are teaching nowadays has more to do with the "sin" of homosexuality, than with the sins heterosexual Christians are committing that has been destroying the sanctity of marriage long before same-sex marriage ever became an issue. I agree. For the record, my particular Church---being the Catholic Church---places the sin of divorce and remarriage in the same category as the sin of homosexual activity, the sin of unmarried fornication, the sin of pornography and masturbation, and the sin of pederasty: all are grave transgressions of God's law and can in no manner be approved.

[JillLars]

No, I am simply saying that because people decide to engage in sinful behavior, that's not reason enough for society to legitimize it.

The fact that some people in a society consider it to be sinful behavior is not reason enough for society to outlaw it.

I am glad that your church treats all sexual sins the same. It just seems to me that many Christians are way too ready to hop on the hatred towards homosexuality bandwagon and ignore all other sins that are going on in this world.

I don't think churches should have to recognize same-sex marriages if they don't want to, but in this country two people of the same sex who love, honor, and cherish one another should be entitled to the same rights as any other couples would be.

[Wolseley]

Personally, I think that legitimizing homosexual activity of any kind is detrimental to society, because it puts forth the idea that deviancy and perversion is normal and acceptable.

If we approve one form of deviancy, what happens when the next deviant wants his form approved?

Where do we draw the line? What standards do we adopt, based on whose moral and ethical base?

It's already beginning to lead to calls for legitimization of further oddities----you might be interested in perusing this thread: http://www.christianforums.com/t73694

I think MichaelFJF is probably right---what happens next is that what Michael Jackson is accused of will be perfectly fine.

I dont expect you to agree with me.

[d0c markus]

When did the first "marriage" take place, pray tell? The first marriage was between Adam and Eve. There are numerous marriages in the Bible. There are also countless examples of entire tribes being struck down for sexual disobedience; pedophilia, beastiality, incest, and homosexuality. Now, Christianity came to pass after Jesus died on the cross and was gloriously resurrected; however, even in God's Word prior to Jesus, homosexuality was covered in some detail.
When Christians rationalize is when we lose ground. "well its there own buisness" well the way our countries morals form is our buisness. One concession leads to another and another and it cascades into millions nationwide because its not our buisness. We rationalize and it becomes acceptable. Im waiting for God to lay down judgement upon our wicked nation. Im sad to be called an american. :cry:

[JillLars]

The fact is these other "moral crimes" that you are talking about do not involve two consenting adults, children cannot consent, animals cannot consent, murder (as you chose to equate homosexuality with earlier) is not an act between two consenting people. The entire basis for these "moral crimes" is that one person is not consenting, there is a victim, someone who is being hurt and having their civil rights taken away. In a consenting homosexual relationship between two adults, these conditions do not apply. I do not think that this will open doors for things like murder, pedophilia, bestiality, ect, because the circumstances are completely different. The reason a man and a woman are allowed to have sex with each other and marry one another is because they are consenting adults, so why shouldn't this same reasoning apply to other adults who can consent.

[admtaylor]

The fact that some people in a society consider it to be sinful behavior is not reason enough for society to outlaw it.
More than some as was evidenced by the CNN poll that I believed backfired on them. It was 61% that said that it shouldn't be allowed. But I guess it's alright for appointed judges to write law right? I thought that was part of the legislative branches job not the judicial branch. You're a social sciences major can you correct me if I'm wrong here?

[JillLars]

The first thing I will point out to you is to read the disclaimer on cnn polls, they are not scientific, and do not claim to be an accurate representation of the entire population, they are a random survey of those who choose to complete the poll while visiting the website, any knowledge of statistics will let you know that the survey will not be an accurate portrayal. appointed judges don't write the law, but they are there to uphold the constitution, as are all people involved with the legal system, and very clearly by denying same-sex couples of their civil rights the constitution is not being upheld. I am a social studies Education major, and I'm not very far into my program yet, I don't claim to know everything, I am simply sharing my opinion.

Edited to add:

Here is the official disclaimer from the cnn website poll.


This QuickVote is not scientific and reflects the opinions of only those Internet users who have chosen to participate. The results cannot be assumed to represent the opinions of Internet users in general, nor the public as a whole. The QuickVote sponsor is not responsible for content, functionality or the opinions expressed therein.

[admtaylor]

The first thing I will point out to you is to read the disclaimer on cnn polls, they are not scientific, and do not claim to be an accurate representation of the entire population, they are a random survey of those who choose to complete the poll while visiting the website, any knowledge of statistics will let you know that the survey will not be an accurate portrayal. appointed judges don't write the law, but they are there to uphold the constitution, as are all people involved with the legal system, and very clearly by denying same-sex couples of their civil rights the constitution is not being upheld. I am a social studies Education major, and I'm not very far into my program yet, I don't claim to know everything, I am simply sharing my opinion.
With the liberal crowd that watches CNN I'd have to agree that it's not scientific, it would be a higher percentage if it were. As far as the law statement they are setting precedent that if unchallenged will automatically subject any state in the union to that standard unless they have a bill or law in place to prevent it. It happens all the time. So in essence they are writing law.

[JillLars]

They are upholding the constitution, preventing states from writing unconstitutional laws that deny people of their civil rights. As far as civil rights are concerned, I don't have a problem with that. Government officials have a responsibility to uphold the constitution within this government. I think many of them would rather uphold their personal beliefs, but that is not what they are there for, and they do not have the right to deny others of their constitutional rights.

Edited to add:

I don't see how any person can logically say that its ok to deny two people of the same-sex who love, honor, and cherish one another for life, the benefits that two people of the opposite sex receive. We may as well take the vote away from women and african americans, and ban interracial marriages, and maybe bring back slavery while we're at it. The basis of all those beliefs are same, and believe it or not religion was often used to justify things like slavery, and denying women and african americans the vote.

[East Anglican]

God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman. The whole idea of same sex marriages is a joke. They could see a lawyer and both sign a declaration of loyalty. But to actually do it in front of God in a church is a joke because God will not get involved.

It may be a covenant betweento same sex people but God will not honour it.

[Rainbow.]

Personally, I think that legitimizing homosexual activity of any kind is detrimental to society, because it puts forth the idea that deviancy and perversion is normal and acceptable.



Don't you think that's a bit harsh?
Surely people who are gay don't choose the fact, as i didn't choose to be straight.
The law allows homosexual activity at a certain age in many countries, so that is why i suppose the issue of gay marriage's being legalised has come up. I think whether or not we agree with homosexual marriage or not, being so harsh about it seems pretty unkind to me, and it's not really sticking to the OP question. There are many perversions and deviancy in the straight and religious world, it's not only gay people who can be stuck with this tag. I have my views on gay marriage as i stated before, but i respect homosexuals and their views, as i would hope they would respect mine.

[La Bonita Zorilla]

God ordained marriage to be between a man and a woman. The whole idea of same sex marriages is a joke. They could see a lawyer and both sign a declaration of loyalty. But to actually do it in front of God in a church is a joke because God will not get involved.

It may be a covenant betweento same sex people but God will not honour it.
Of course all you have stated here is your opinion and nothing more. People who have had same gender Holy Union Ceremonies believe otherwise and you are in no position whatsoever to say they are wrong.

[Lotar]

"Gay marriage is something that should be between a man and a woman"
-Arnold Schwarzenegger

[E-beth]

Ahem

There is a thread about this topic in the Sexuality and Christianity forum. That is the place to debate, not here.

Since this thread has turned into a debate and has the potiential to get rather ugly, I am closing it.