Fulfill??

[Buccaneer]

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
Fulfill
To bring into actuality; effect: fulfilled their promises.
To carry out (an order, for example).
To measure up to; satisfy. See Synonyms at perform. See Synonyms at satisfy.
To bring to an end; complete.

complete end meet make whole

2. To accomplish or carry into effect, as an intention, promise, or prophecy, a desire, prayer, or requirement, etc.; to complete by performance; to answer the requisitions of; to bring to pass, as a purpose or design; to effectuate.
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Whenever I read this verse I am always confused about the exact meaning as used in this situation. To me, the word fulfill can mean mainly two very different things. one would be to end: "After thirteen long years, the car had had it; it had fulfilled its purpose well.",the subject's purpose is terminated and is its function well served but now it must be retired. In this understanding the law would have been like a chain which is responcible for the balance of man's righteousness, with one link missing and as messiah came he filled the void thus finishing it and rendering the purpose served. This is the christian's popular belief.

The other interpretation of 'fulfill' is not to complete it as in to end it, but in to MAKE it complete and whole. To add the final touch. This is the popular jewish belief. I was wondering what the original hebrew and or greek word for fulfill was and its exact meaning. No speculation really just definition.

[ShirChadash]

Shalom

I haven't the GK/Hebrew in front of me (and am not the best to answer this question on that level, anyway.) But I wanted to mention that, if I am not mistaken, my understanding is that the Judaic meaning of to fulfil is to interpret correctly. To destroy Torah is to interpret it incorrectly. Yeshua came to fill Torah full in OUR understanding of it, to interpret it correctly, to ratify it even.

[CharlesYTK]

The word Fulfil in the Greek means "to bring to its fullness" or "To correctly interpret"

He follows this with the assurance that the law has not passed away.

[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Righteousness shall excede the scribes... Righteousness means compliance with or obedience to the law. Now he goes on with the rest of the sermon. He fully establishes the law correctly, as it is meant to be.

The context of the verse varifies this. As we read on we see through many examples that Yeshua give that he is not puting an end to the law, but is corectly interpreting it and brining into its full meaning.

MT 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

(He has moved the law from a outward physical action to a matter of the heart)


MT 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: [28] But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

(He has moved the law from a outward physical action to a matter of the heart)

MT 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: [34] But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

(He has moved the law from a outward physical action to a matter of the heart)

MT 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: [39] But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

(He has moved the law from a outward physical action to a matter of the heart)

MT 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;

(He has moved the law from a outward physical action to a matter of the heart)

This is the promise of Jer 31, I will write my Torah upon their hearts and minds. He does this by filling us with the spirit and making the law written upon our hearts a feature of our new nature.

Do you see it now?

Charles

[RyanLJohnson1]

I have the Greek.

Mat 5:17Think3543not3361that3754Iamcome2064todestroy2647the3588law,3551or2228the3588prophets:4396
Iamnot3756come2064todestroy,2647but235tofulfill.4137


G4137
πληρόω

plēroō

play-ro'-o

From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

The key words here are furnish, satisfy, finish, and verify.

I was just about to post a thread about this titled "Matthew 5:17-20... Arguments?" As well as having a KJV Bible, I have a Catholic NAB Bible, and the sidenote I found for Matthew 5:17-18 is well... odd. Here it is:

5, 17-20: This statement of Jesus' position concerning the Mosaic law is composed of traditional material from Matthew's sermon documentation (see the note on 5, 1--7, 29), other Q material (cf 18 and Lk 16, 17), and the evangelist's own editorial touches. To fulfill the law appears at first to mean a literal enforcement of the law in the least detail: until heaven and eath pass away nothing of the law will pass (18). Yet the "passing away" of heaven and earth is not necessarily the end of the world understood, as in much apocalyptic literature, as the dissolution of the existing universe. The "turning of the ages" comes with the apocalyptic event of Jesus' death and resurrection, and those to whom this gospel is addressed are living in the new and final age, prophesied by Isaiah as the time of "new heavens and a new earth" (Is 65, 17; 66, 22). Meanwhile, during Jesus' ministry when the kingdom is already breaking in, his mission remains within the framework of the law, though with significant anticipation of the age to come, as the following antitheses (vv 21--48) show.

What does anybody have to say about this? :confused:

Love in Yeshua,
Ryan

[RyanLJohnson1]

Matthew 5:18

Let's take a look at the word "pass" in the Greek.

G3928
παρέρχομαι

parerchomai

par-er'-khom-ahee

From G3844 and G2064; to come near or aside, that is, to approach (arrive), go by (or away), (figuratively) perish or neglect, (causatively) avert: - come (forth), go, pass (away, by, over), past, transgress.
Keywords: perish, neglect, go, pass, transgress.

To my knowledge, the earth is still here and has not been neglected. The same goes for Heaven. When was Heaven closed? :scratch: Or neglected?

[ShirChadash]

I have the Greek.

Mat 5:17Think3543not3361that3754Iamcome2064todestroy2647the3588law,3551or2228the3588prophets:4396
Iamnot3756come2064todestroy,2647but235tofulfill.4137


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[b]The key words here are furnish, satisfy, finish, and verify.

I was just about to post a thread about this titled "Matthew 5:17-20... Arguments?" As well as having a KJV Bible, I have a Catholic NAB Bible, and the sidenote I found for Matthew 5:17-18 is well... odd. Here it is:



What does anybody have to say about this? :confused:

Love in Yeshua,
Ryan
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The only thing I have to say about that is... this is all I see when I read the lame attempt to make Yeshua out to mean anything but what He actually said...

This statement of Jesus' position concerning the Mosaic law is composed of traditional material from Matthew's sermon documentation (see the note on 5, 1--7, 29), other Q material (cf 18 and Lk 16, 17), and the evangelist's own editorial touches. To fulfill the law appears at first to mean a literal enforcement of the law in the least detail: until heaven and eath pass away nothing of the law will pass (18). Yet the "passing away" of heaven and earth is not necessarily the end of blahblahblahblahblah, blahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblahblah
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Or as someone else here at CF succinctly said once in reply to such drivel... "balowneeeeee!". ^_^

[ShirChadash]

I have the Greek.

Mat 5:17Think3543not3361that3754Iamcome2064todestroy2647the3588law,3551or2228the3588prophets:4396
Iamnot3756come2064todestroy,2647but235tofulfill.4137


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[b]The key words here are furnish, satisfy, finish, and verify.

I was just about to post a thread about this titled "Matthew 5:17-20... Arguments?" As well as having a KJV Bible, I have a Catholic NAB Bible, and the sidenote I found for Matthew 5:17-18 is well... odd. Here it is:



What does anybody have to say about this? :confused:

Love in Yeshua,
Ryan
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Ryan, on a more serious note, remember that doctrine comes heavily into play when people/churches add their interpretation to the Word and Scripture passages. Many "churches" teach and believe that there is no literal millenial reign, that this now is the "kingdom of Heaven on earth" and that believers are supposed to step up to the plate and MAKE this be, now, Heaven on earth -- in other words, cause G-d's will to be done on earth as it is in Heaven (and oy IMO, do these same churches have some interesting ideas about just exactly what "G-d's will" is.)

[RyanLJohnson1]

The only thing I have to say about that is... this is all I see when I read the lame attempt to make Yeshua out to mean anything but what He actually said...


Or as someone else here at CF succinctly said once in reply to such drivel... "balowneeeeee!". ^_^[/size]
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The motives of the sidenote are apparent when it says, "at first glance..." This automatically proves that whoever was writing the sidenote had something they wished to prove. Then, when the explanation goes into the whole "blah blah blah, blah blah" syndrome then you know that there is something wrong. This is a very long sidenote compared to the rest... not that this means anything, but it goes to show that there is a lot of "blah blah blah" in it ;)

The disciples continued to follow Torah after Christ was crucified and resurrected, correct? :cool: Or am I mistaken?

[CharlesYTK]

All the Church under the Jerusalem line, that is Apostolic Jews which included the aithful Gentile converts as well, (Messianics) did follow the law, and continued even to this day to follow the law. Look into the future and you can see the vision of those who are true followers of Messiah at the time of his return, and we see them described in this way:

Rev 12:[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Antichrist is out to destroy those who are righteous and faithful. They keep the commandments of God, as well as have faith in (the testimony of )Yeshua the Messiah. They do both.

[Henaynei]

What does anybody have to say about this? :confused:

Love in Yeshua,
Ryan I say it is a lot of back flips and hair pin turns to say the passage did not say what it said because saying that would put the lie to everything THEY said!! ;) And you can say I said that!! :):pink:

[RyanLJohnson1]

All the Church under the Jerusalem line, that is Apostolic Jews which included the aithful Gentile converts as well, (Messianics) did follow the law, and continued even to this day to follow the law. Look into the future and you can see the vision of those who are true followers of Messiah at the time of his return, and we see them described in this way:

Rev 12:[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Antichrist is out to destroy those who are righteous and faithful. They keep the commandments of God, as well as have faith in (the testimony of )Yeshua the Messiah. They do both.
That's an interesting perspetive. I'll keep that one handy :cool:

I say it is a lot of back flips and hair pin turns to say the passage did not say what it said because saying that would put the lie to everything THEY said!! And you can say I said that!!
Hey everyone, Henaynei said that the sidenote is nothing but a lot of back flips and hair pin turns! ROCK ON! ;) :P

[debi b]

I say it is a lot of back flips and hair pin turns... And you can say I said that!! :):pink:


OY! The picture i got :P

[JewishHeart]

Interesting Note: In the Hebrew the word Tzedek or Righteousness can mean both righteousness and justice.