Slain in the Spirit

[JVD]

I have never been "slain in the spirit". I have been to many services where I have watched people "go down under the power" and have seen Benny Hinn blow on people and have them drop by the dozens.

I am actually a cynic in this regard and believe that most of the people slain in the spirit have some cooperation with the "slayer"...in that they are accepting of the idea and emotionally ready for it to happen. ( I know that it is many times faked as well but I am not talking about the fake ones.)

However, I do think there are cases where people who did not believe in being slain in the spirit and who did not want to drop on their faces or back still were overcome and collapsed. I am wondering if there are any on this forum like that. If so could you tell me what you actually felt that caused you to collapse, what was the physical sensation?

[Blade]

Well I will tell you mine. I think and I could be wrong but I think most people don't really know any better so they just fall. When I was young I was at work and my mom just happen to work at the same place. Well she was on the phone one night and I over heard her talk about people falling down and such and I asked if I could go to. About a week later we went to chruch a friday night and somewhere in the service the man (preacher) said "if there was anyone that wanted to experience something form God to come up there". I thought to myself sure I want to know so I went up there. I was up there and he had his back to me and then he turned around and just touched me on the forhead with his finger and the next thing I new was I was on the ground on my back. I had no idea how I got there. Now the rest I don't know how to put in words but as I started to get up something hit my feet and shot right into my chest. It was one of the MOST wonderful experinces of my life. Such a peace, love just wow. Now that has only happen once. Now my mom for so many years has never had it happen and just told me about a week ago she was at chruch and went up front for something and she said some people just started to fall and said she keep trying to stand but she could not stand and fell :D

So I can see if this has never happen to someone they would think it was just people falling down. I believe it is just so much of Jesus that....
John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Go for Jesus not man..

[JVD]

Thanks Blade.

That is similar to another account I have read. That was of a reporter in Toronto covering the revival at the vinyard church there.

This man was not a believer...still isn't. But he got a little to close to the preacher (John Arnot??) and the preacher turned around and touched him on the forehead and said "and bless this one Lord" after which he fell to the ground. He said it felt like a bolt of electricity went through him and he started laughing unconrollably. He was there quite awhile and when he started to revive the pastors wife came and touched him again and he went back down for longer.

He still can't explain it and is still not a believer.

That is the thing that keeps getting to me...a cynic...but a follower of Jesus.

[riverpastor]

Hey JVD,

We can only authenticate, IMO, what happens to us personally.

I was at a revival back in 1997 and hungry fo God to move in my life. I was an assistant pastor back then.

An evangelist from Australia asked for ministers and pastors to come up for prayer (mind you, this is before the preaching of the Word) and a few of my congregation members were there and urged me to get up and go to the front of the church for prayer.

When I got up there, I was thinking to myself, I'm not going to be manipluated by a man. If this is God, it's going to be God all the way!

I raised my hands to receive prayer and he told me to stop being so religious and to put my hands down. I nearly had time to get offended but he started praying, "Lord, just bless him, Father. Just love on him God."

His hand hovered over my head but he never touched me. About the time I was thinking, "I'm not going dow(n)......"

BAM! The power of the Spirit just sucked the strength right out of me. Yeah, there was somebody standing behind me to catch me should I go down. The funny thing is, I fell to my knees and fell face first into the carpet.

I laid there for several minutes unable to move.

When I did try to get up, I felt like I weighed a ton. He just finished praying for someone and turned around and I was lined up right in front of him. This time he did connect and I wound up underneath the drum kit.

Finally, I staggered back to my seat... I was drunker than "Cooter Brown" as we say here in the south.

And my body stayed physically intoxicated for two straight, solid weeks.

Some of the actual "feeling" that I had was simply a response of my body to the tangible Presence of the Holy Spirit.

When you touch eletricity, you "feel" it.

When you are touched by the Life Essence of the Holy Spirit, you can feel it too.

So I felt my strength leave my body causing me to have the inability to stand.

There is also a sensation of warmth that passes through my physical body. It is unlike anything you have ever felt before. There is a feeling of being "emptied out" while at the same time being "filled up".

Sometimes, I have dreams where I am drunk in the Spirit or get "slain in the Spirit" and even though I'm asleep, I feel the tangible anointing as though it happened while awake.

And at times, the drunkenness in my body comes and goes as the Spirit wills. When I get close to the Lord in prayer or worship, this happens. At church, for sure, but also at work or at the grocery store. And when it comes, I just relax and rest in it. I simply yield to His Presence and let Him love on me.

[JVD]

River Pastor... Thanks

That was very interesting. I take it the preacher from Australia was Rodney Howard Browne. He was in my area to and began my interest in this. The people I worked with attended all his meetings and I would have to say that their life has been changed.

Also, he was instrumental in the Toronto Blessing in an indirect way. He laid hands on Randy Clark who had a similar experience to you who went up to Toronto and started the whole thing there.

On the other hand...perhaps this wasn't Rodney Howard Browne that ministered to you??

[riverpastor]

Rodney is from South Africa, actually.

Later on after this initial experience, I attended Rodney's ministry school in Tampa for a while.

I have also been to Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship (back in 2000). It's the same type of anointing as Rodney's meetings, just a different manifestation and atmosphere of it.

I would actually say it is gentler there (to me anyway).

[LynneClomina]

Hey JVD,

We can only authenticate, IMO, what happens to us personally.

I was at a revival back in 1997 and hungry fo God to move in my life. I was an assistant pastor back then.

An evangelist from Australia asked for ministers and pastors to come up for prayer (mind you, this is before the preaching of the Word) and a few of my congregation members were there and urged me to get up and go to the front of the church for prayer.

When I got up there, I was thinking to myself, I'm not going to be manipluated by a man. If this is God, it's going to be God all the way!

I raised my hands to receive prayer and he told me to stop being so religious and to put my hands down. I nearly had time to get offended but he started praying, "Lord, just bless him, Father. Just love on him God."

His hand hovered over my head but he never touched me. About the time I was thinking, "I'm not going dow(n)......"

BAM! The power of the Spirit just sucked the strength right out of me. Yeah, there was somebody standing behind me to catch me should I go down. The funny thing is, I fell to my knees and fell face first into the carpet.

I laid there for several minutes unable to move.

When I did try to get up, I felt like I weighed a ton. He just finished praying for someone and turned around and I was lined up right in front of him. This time he did connect and I wound up underneath the drum kit.

Finally, I staggered back to my seat... I was drunker than "Cooter Brown" as we say here in the south.

And my body stayed physically intoxicated for two straight, solid weeks.

Some of the actual "feeling" that I had was simply a response of my body to the tangible Presence of the Holy Spirit.

When you touch eletricity, you "feel" it.

When you are touched by the Life Essence of the Holy Spirit, you can feel it too.

So I felt my strength leave my body causing me to have the inability to stand.

There is also a sensation of warmth that passes through my physical body. It is unlike anything you have ever felt before. There is a feeling of being "emptied out" while at the same time being "filled up".

Sometimes, I have dreams where I am drunk in the Spirit or get "slain in the Spirit" and even though I'm asleep, I feel the tangible anointing as though it happened while awake.

And at times, the drunkenness in my body comes and goes as the Spirit wills. When I get close to the Lord in prayer or worship, this happens. At church, for sure, but also at work or at the grocery store. And when it comes, I just relax and rest in it. I simply yield to His Presence and let Him love on me.
awesome testimony! thanks for sharing it. :hug:

[LynneClomina]

i think being slain in the Spirit is not so much that the Holy Spirit takes your legs out from under you (knocks you over), it's that you feel His presence so totally and overwhelmingly that your body just gives way. it's just too much, in a wonderfullly too much way..... :bow:

i watched a few hours of RHB on the net a few weeks ago, and i REALLY enjoyed his teaching. :) it was the first time i'd heard of/seen him.

[JVD]

River Pastor...

Would you say that this experience was a major turning point in your life?

[Iosias]

As far as I am concerned being slain in the spirit is unBiblical.

[JVD]

AV...that wasn't the question.

The question was specifically what was the physical sensation felt when slain in the sprit.

I don't want to debate whether it is biblical or not.

[riverpastor]

It was a turning point JVD, but not because of the experience or feeling of being slain in the Spirit. It was a turning point, because when I got up from that floor, the "scales' fell off of my eyes, so to speak. I saw myself as what I had become over the years... a pharisee.

And through meeting the Lord by His Presence, my mind and heart was renewed to Him and Him alone.

And to all others, I would say, that if the devil caused the experience, then I thank God that he did. Because, whatever it was, it caused me to fall in love with Jesus!

I would definitely call it a paradigm shift, JVD!

[CCWoody]

AV...that wasn't the question.

The question was specifically what was the physical sensation felt when slain in the sprit.

I don't want to debate whether it is biblical or not.Why do you not want to debate whether it is Biblical?

I'm sure those possessed by demons feel something. Best be to determine whether it is a good thing or not.

Don't you think?

[ShaunJ]

Although I myself have never been "Slain" I have a testimony from my fiances dad that I can share. I asked him basically the same question and he told me a story that makes me hunger for God like no other.

Many years ago back in the 70's he was searching for a church to call home. Being raised catholic he was broading his horizons and checking out other churches because he said he always felt like something was missing.

He started attending churches that were talking about baptism in the Holy Ghost and he said the more he read and studied his bible the more he desired this spiritual gift. So one night he was baptised in the HS and blurted out a few words in tongues.

He went for a few weeks wondering if any of it at all was real. He wasn't speaking in tongues any more after the experience and he questioned if he was really baptised at all. (Now weather or not any believes we must be baptised in the HS or not is not the issue here..I'm getting to it lol)

So he prayed one night...'God if what happened to me is real I want you to tell me. I don't care if it takes a baseball ball bat to my head I need to know!'

The following sunday he was visiting a friends church (so happens to be the same one he is in today) and they had a guest speaker (can't remember his name). His friend urged for him to sit up front with him and so after much begging he gave in.

The guest speaker at some point singled him out, asked him to stand, and walked off. He is thinking...'Whats this guy up to? He asks me to stand and walks off' Just as he was about to sit down the man turns around and snaps his fingers. He wakes up on the floor no clue what happened. Every time he trys to get up the man snaps his fingers and he is out. He said that it happened 11 times during the service and he had no clue what was going on. He said that at one point he crawled under the pews to hide from the man and he got him back out, made him stand, snapped his fingers, and BOOM! Back out again.

Well, to shorten the story here... He said at the end of service he bolted for the door trying to leave. He just wanted to get out. The guest speaker met him at the back door and he turned around saying 'Get away from me!'

The Guest speaker calmed him down and assured him that he wasn't going to do anything else to him. Then he said to him, 'I have no clue why I did that to you but the Lord kept leading me to you and I knew that this service was ment for you.'

Later on he told his wife about the experience and she said to him..'Maybe God gave you your baseball bat'.

To this day he is convinced of the power of God.

Its an amazing story and I hope it helped you some what...although he never really got into to how it made him feel. The only thing he ever told me is he just didn't know what was going on. It was liking getting knocked out over and over again.

I don't think it has ever happened to him sense.

[riverpastor]

ShaunJ,

Incredible testimony!

[JVD]

Why do you not want to debate whether it is Biblical?

I'm sure those possessed by demons feel something. Best be to determine whether it is a good thing or not.

Don't you think?

If you want to debate it biblically go ahead and start another thread. My purpose was to find the actual physical sensation. Especially of those who were not expecting it to happen or who really didn't want it to happen.

I appreciate those of you who responded.

Obviously, if you have had an experience like this it is bound to stick with you awhile. It is also likely to be a change point in ones life.

[JVD]

I have been up front about my cynicism. But also I am one who has many family members and friends who have been slain in the spirit. It is hard to tell someone who has had this experience that biblically it can't be supported, and I don't do that. In fact I don't think you can make a real good argument one way or another on this biblically. Like so many other issues, it comes down to interpretation.

And experience along with a favorable interpretation is very powerful.

So please don't debate this.

I still believe that most of the "slain in the spirit" instances are emotions or fake but there are those that I cannot explain and are obviously a real physical phenomenon of some type. Those that have been shared on this thread seem to be of that sort.

[riverpastor]

JVD,

Your cautious attitude will eventually allow you to enter into greater joys in the Lord. Not because it is cynical, but I believe you are hungry for more of God in your own life. I describe that as caution.

Cynicism is when you don't care to experience, don't care if others have experienced, you throw the baby out with the bathwater concerning experiences with a Living Tangible God.

May God bless you tremendously in your search for more of Him and less of you!

[Blade]

It was a turning point JVD, but not because of the experience or feeling of being slain in the Spirit. It was a turning point, because when I got up from that floor, the "scales' fell off of my eyes, so to speak. I saw myself as what I had become over the years... a pharisee.

And through meeting the Lord by His Presence, my mind and heart was renewed to Him and Him alone.

And to all others, I would say, that if the devil caused the experience, then I thank God that he did. Because, whatever it was, it caused me to fall in love with Jesus!

I would definitely call it a paradigm shift, JVD!
Amen...

[Blade]

ShaunJ vbmenu_register("postmenu_8783207", true); that was great. I think I would just want a bunt not the bat.

[ShaunJ]

I would love to have an experience like that. I came to Christ in January and that would be just the thing to take my faith to a new level. Sometimes I feel that I'm not set on solid rock in my faith.

How could I deny any of Gods powers if that were to happen to me?


I guess I can only :pray: that it will.

[Iosias]

How could I deny any of Gods powers if that were to happen to me?
How would you know that it came from God?

[ShaunJ]

How would you know that it came from God?

Well, if it was satan he would be doing a poor job of keeping me from God, because it would do nothing but firmly establish my beliefs in him.

Why would satan be running around doing that to people if it would bring them closer to God?

[Iosias]

Well, if it was satan he would be doing a poor job of keeping me from God, because it would do nothing but firmly establish my beliefs in him.

Why would satan be running around doing that to people if it would bring them closer to God?
How do you know that it would bring you closer to God? From my experiences with Charismatics the opposite is true...it becomes a drug with each fix needing to be more and more wild...I have even heard of 'competitions' whereby people try to out do one another in getting slain more than others...if we judge things by their consequences this unBiblical practice disrupts fellowsip and attacks the spiritual well-being of brethren. All you need to do is look at the posts in the advice section by Charismatics to see how destructive it is!

[GeorgiaPeach]

[QUOTE=ShaunJ
Why would satan be running around doing that to people if it would bring them closer to God?[/QUOTE]
Because it gives them a false hope. They find peace in an experience to prove God's existence, as you just said, rather than just believing His Word.

Satan loves to get us to hope and seek something that isn't in God's Word.

[ShaunJ]

I have seen no instances of that in my church nor anything in my experiences to support your claim. Wich doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. I just thank God that I'm not surrounded by people like you discribed.

I have noticed your post history and I have to wonder to myself... Are you on a mission to save us all from our unGodly practices? There is always one in the group...

[riverpastor]

Have we altogether missed what the Lord is saying in His Word? His Word is a portion of His Kingdom, not the whole of it. When we die, will our spirits go into the Word???

The Lord stated in John 15 that we are to have a vital union and fellowship with Him. We are not only to abide in His words but actually abide IN Him...

Would anyone like to explain how this is done???

[CCWoody]

How would you know that it came from God?The funny thing here is that there seems to be absolutely 0 interest in figuring out if these things are Biblical and come from God. It seems the only interest is in describing the experiences. That has been my experience traveling through the Charismatic world. In fact, anyone who wishes to ask the questions: "Is this right & is this Biblical?" are labeled as being divisive.

At best, this is "cart before the horse" theology.

It seems to me that there is already a presumption that all of this does come from God.

BTW, I believe you asked where in the Bible "Slain in the spirit" can be found. Have you received an answer yet?

[riverpastor]

Revelation 1:17 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...

Here is some scripture of the experience but not the exact wording "slain in the Spirit". However, what you are going to do now, because you have never exeperienced it, is twist it into your theology of experience which is no experience of it at all.

If you ever experience it, you would then see its validity. But you haven't so you can't.

But, I want to see how you twist it...

[Iosias]

The funny thing here is that there seems to be absolutely no interest in figuring out if these things are Biblical and come from God. It seems the only interest is in describing the experiences. That has been my experience traveling through the Charismatic world. In fact, anyone who wishes to ask the questions: "Is this right & is this Biblical?" are labeled as being divisive.
Agreed on all counts!


BTW, I believe you asked where in the Bible "Slain in the spirit" can be found. Have you received an answer yet?

Unsurprisingly I have not! I wonder why? :scratch:

[riverpastor]

Revelation 1:17 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...

Here is some scripture of the experience but not the exact wording "slain in the Spirit". However, what you are going to do now, because you have never exeperienced it, is twist it into your theology of experience which is no experience of it at all.

If you ever experience it, you would then see its validity. But you haven't so you can't.

But, I want to see how you twist it...

[CCWoody]

Have we altogether missed what the Lord is saying in His Word? His Word is a portion of His Kingdom, not the whole of it. When we die, will our spirits go into the Word???

The Lord stated in John 15 that we are to have a vital union and fellowship with Him. We are not only to abide in His words but actually abide IN Him...

Would anyone like to explain how this is done???I think the point here is that the Bible is the only written and sure revelation to us of who He is. How is it possible for you to have a "vital union and fellowship" with someone you know nothing about? It is possible to get completely fooled into thinking that your experiences are a vital relationship when they were nothing more than Satan masquerading as a angel of light.

I was once experientially based. Then, I actually met the Lord and figured out that I had been a self-deceived fool.

[riverpastor]

Uh, yeah, right...

[riverpastor]

Woody, the experience is not the vital union and fellowship. I fellowship in Spirit with Christ all the time. Only on occasion do I get drunk in the Spirit... :D

You still haven't answered: How is it done?

[riverpastor]

Acts 2:13 - Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

You obviously mock me... :clap: :wave: :D

[CCWoody]

Revelation 1:17 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...

Here is some scripture of the experience but not the exact wording "slain in the Spirit". However, what you are going to do now, because you have never exeperienced it, is twist it into your theology of experience which is no experience of it at all.

If you ever experience it, you would then see its validity. But you haven't so you can't.

But, I want to see how you twist it...John fell down because he had a vision of the Lord. He wasn't zapped by a pastor wielding the power of the Holy Spirit as has been described here on this thread. Just who is "twisting it into your thology of experience" here?

Just because I have never had a Benny Hinn knock me into a trance or had another pastor snap his fingers and knock me under the pew doesn't mean that I have not had intimate encounters with the Lord.

BTW, just to let you know how unBiblical some things are, I had a pastor tell me Monday that "the Holy Spirit is at our beck and call." Yeah, right.

Do you have another scripture which describes "slain in the spirit" as has been described on this thread? Might I suggest something in Ephesians!

[Iosias]

Revelation 1:17 - And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last...

Here is some scripture of the experience but not the exact wording "slain in the Spirit".
So let me get this straight...you are saying that this one passage proves that being 'slain in the spirit' is Biblical?

Firstly, there is no reference to this being due to the Holy Ghost.
Secondly, falling to the floor in front of someone in this way is a sign of deep respect.

The fact is that this passage has nothing to do with gifts of the Holy ghost or even the Holy Ghost Himself. So may be you had better shew me how this proves you case!

[CCWoody]

Uh, yeah, right...So, when people describe trying to escape under pews, this is an amazing testimony, but when I describe a conversion from being a self deceived fool, I get this reaction from you.

Interesting.




Acts 2:13 - Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.You obviously mock me... :clap: :wave: :D

No, I was describing my own conversion. But, it is interesting to see the way you reacted to my testimony.

[riverpastor]

No, Woody. I actually posted the second twice, so I deleted the first one and put "yeah, right" :D

Yeah, I get goosebumps because of the love that's oozing out of you, brother... :)

[riverpastor]

I fall down when I have a vision of the Lord. What is the difference here???

[riverpastor]

Woody: I missed your testimony, unless it was where you were belly-aching about how others abuse their leadership in the Kingdom. With this I do agree with you.

I hate that you have seen some terrible things in the show-boat called the church.

I can honestly say, that hasn't been a part of myt experience.

You did say that you had intimate encounters with the Lord. Does He not speak to you in those times? What actually takes place when you encounter Him?

[Iosias]

Woody: I missed your testimony, unless it was where you were belly-aching about how others abuse their leadership in the Kingdom.
:sigh: And I can feel the love oozing from you as well.

[riverpastor]

Okay, I'll ask for forgiveness first. Without seeking anything in return.

Will you forgive me, av and aggie?

Still, this doesn't end the debate. And Woody was the provocateur here, suggesting things. All I'm getting here is twisted sister, er uh, twisted scripture...

Otherwise, he was belly-aching... :D

[CCWoody]

Still, this doesn't end the debate. And Woody was the provocateur here, suggesting things. All I'm getting here is twisted sister, er uh, twisted scripture...

Otherwise, he was belly-aching... :DWhat I suggested and outright stated was that I had once been experientially based and then I actually met the Lord and discovered that I had been a self-deceived fool.

I said nothing about you or anybody else.

As far as scriptures go, I have YET to see a single verse of scripture which describes what people have experienced on this thread. For instance, please show me the snap your fingers and knock people under the pews verse.

"Twisted scripture" indeed. More like Scripture AWOL.

[JVD]

The reason I did not want to debate this biblically is that it becomes a matter of interpretation.

"my interpretation is better than your interpretation" This is why I am right and you are wrong. No you aren't...yes I am....ad nauseum (is that how you spell it?)

As in any experience based issue...it cannot be proven from scripture. Just like calvinism can't be proven from scripture. It is an interpretation of scripture...a reasonable one in my opinion...but there are other interpretations held by respected theologians.

I am of the belief that much of the experiences people have in the charismatic world (and I have close relations with many) are either wishful thinking, emotion, manipulation, fake, or a combination of the above.

However, I believe that some of the experiences are real (as the ones on this thread seem to be). In that I mean they really have a physical sensation of some type. I hesitate to brush these off lightly and I also hesitate to say they are of the devil. I have known many people who have had their lives changed by these experiences. And thier lives were changed for the good...not for evil.

So, while I can't support it biblically, and really think there is some other explanation, I have to remain an honest skeptic and say that in these cases, SOMETHING real has happened. What would be the explanation of the case of the unbelieving reporter who was "slain in the spirit" do you think?

[CCWoody]

The Lord stated in John 15 that we are to have a vital union and fellowship with Him. We are not only to abide in His words but actually abide IN Him...

Would anyone like to explain how this is done???I honestly don't see how this scriptures has any relevance to a discussion of "slain in the spirit" unless it is your contention that John 15 is talking about "slain in the spirit."

Is that your contention?

[Sascha Fitzpatrick]

why do you call it slain? Do you know what that means? KILLED ;)

Well, I doubt all of you were killed in the spirit (at least I hope not) :)

One of those traditional terms, I take cause with...

How about just saying, coming under the power of God???

[CCWoody]

As in any experience based issue...it cannot be proven from scripture.
But, that is exactly my point. We have an entire group in the church going off and having these "experiences" without ever stopping to figure out if it is Biblical or not.

In my experience, it is almost exclusively in lieu of Scripture. I have repeatedly attempted to get them to study what God has already revealed to us in the Bible. Unfortunately, this is not exciting at all. Their sole relationship with the Lord is done through these experiences. The problem is that is no relationship at all; just a series of experiences.

A husband has experiences with his wife, but that doesn't mean that he has any kind of a real relationship with her. This is why the divorce rate is so high, even among those who should know better. A lot will discover that they never had any relationship at all.

The same can happen with the Lord. I can testify from personal experience that experiencing things doesn't mean one has a relationship. Unfortunately, most of these people into these experiences seem to be extremely resistant to these words of caution.

Well, great. That means that these experiences tend to make people extremely resistant to self examination. It doesn't mean it happens this way with everyone and it doesn't mean they aren't saved and it doesn't mean that they don't have a relationship with the Lord.

So, don't get me wrong here. I'm merely trying to get people to be bit Berean about this thing.

"What saith the Scriptures."


Just like calvinism can't be proven from scripture. It is an interpretation of scripture...a reasonable one in my opinion...but there are other interpretations held by respected theologians.Wabbit chase! Besides, I have all the time in the world. You all will see that I'm right.

[riverpastor]

Woody, you're sincere. And you may be right as far as you are concerned. I gave you scripture and the scripture was wasted on your experience which is what we could say about mine as well.

You want scriptural proof that it CAN be. I want scriptural proof that it CAN'T be. What's it going to be, Woody?

We will all see that you are right??? Is this your intention??? To make sure that we all see that you alone are right...

in your interpretation?

I'll agree with you that you are right IN YOUR INTERPRETATION. I can't (and don't want to) change that.

No I do not contend that John 15 is speaking of being "slain in the Spirit" and you didn't answer that question either.

Let me make it a little easier for you: In what ways do you 'experience' intimacy?

Intimacy is something you 'experience', is it not? Do you experience anything in the Holy Spirit, Woody?

That's my question to you. I'm not looking for Scriptural jargon to explain away this or that or to prove this or that; it's just a simple question.

[riverpastor]

There also may be a difference in your experiences prior to and after you meet the Lord in a tangible way that I did.

I think I could say that I was once experience based as well. I had all the right moves. I played saxaphone in the band on the church platform. I could jump when I needed to. I could shout when I needed to.

But when I met the Lord face to face, I had no control over the experiences that I had in His Presence.

My body was physically drunk for two weeks solid. It started from the time I woke up in the morning until I went to bed at night. It gradually subsided and that was four years ago. Once again, I still experience the weight of His Glory and this drunkenness from time to time.

I'm not a seeker of experiences, but when God draws near, there is something about the flesh that cannot withhold its strength in His real and tangible acutely manifested Presence.

When I am intimate with the Lord, this is some of the ways that His closeness is revealed in me. I don't push Him away. These things usually happen when I am alone in prayer and worship... so, I don't have an audience to play to. It's just a genuine touch of His Glory.

And the Love... It is so extreme, Woody. That is the expression of the manifestation. His love is so intoxicating and so overwhelming...

Sweet Jesus!

I pray that you would experience this.

[ShaunJ]

I would love to experience the power of God like this but I'm not going to seek it out. If God wants me to have it he will give it to me.

For now my focus is on study of Gods word and ever increasing in my relationship with him.

I can't say that I'm experience based because the only experience I have had with him is speaking in tongues. The first time I did that I was driving my car and I felt drunk and thought I was going to have to pull over.

None the less I'm not going to let someone tell me that I can't receive things from God just because its not in his word. Especially when they can't prove to me that it isn't him.

God bless :)

[riverpastor]

ShaunJ,

Just seek Him.

[Yebo]

:wave: Greetings from a sunny South Africa :cool:

As far as I am concerned being slain in the spirit is unBiblical.

If the common understanding of “slaying in the Spirit” is that somebody falls over or even knocked back etc, consider then the following scriptures.

2 Chronicles 5:13 - 14 “It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking the LORD; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music, and praised the LORD, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud, even the house of the LORD; 14So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of God.”

1 Kings 8:10 -11 “10. And it came to pass, when the priests were come out of the holy place, that the cloud filled the house of the LORD, 11. So that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud: for the glory of the LORD had filled the house of the LORD.”

John 18:6 “As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground”

Acts 9:3-4 “3. And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4. And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?”

Revelation 1:17 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:”

Please note that in all the scriptures listed above the individuals went to ground not on their own accord. Furthermore also note that He was present in all instances.

No man will make me fall over, only He will if He wants to!!!


:clap:Be BLESSED by the BEST and stay within the confinements of PEACE:clap:

[Iosias]

None the less I'm not going to let someone tell me that I can't receive things from God just because its not in his word. Especially when they can't prove to me that it isn't him.
The question is: Can you prove that it is from God? If you cannot then is it not best to urge on the side of caution lest it be from an un-Godly source?

[CCWoody]

Woody, you're sincere. And you may be right as far as you are concerned. I gave you scripture and the scripture was wasted on your experience which is what we could say about mine as well.
Scripture was never intended to be interpreted by experience.


You want scriptural proof that it CAN be. I want scriptural proof that it CAN'T be. What's it going to be, Woody?
Does this mean you acknowledge that there is no Scripture anywhere that describes what people here are describing for their experiences? A simple admission that "slain in the spirit" is not Biblical would be in order.


I'll agree with you that you are right IN YOUR INTERPRETATION. I can't (and don't want to) change that.
I encounter this a great deal, BTW. I'm right in my interpretation and you are right in your interpretation.

Sorry, but there is only one right interpretation of Scripture.


Let me make it a little easier for you: In what ways do you 'experience' intimacy?

Intimacy is something you 'experience', is it not? Do you experience anything in the Holy Spirit, Woody?

That's my question to you. I'm not looking for Scriptural jargon to explain away this or that or to prove this or that; it's just a simple question.Considering that intimacy is all about private and personal things, I really don't think that is any of your business. This is a great deal about what bothers me about much of the Charismatic movement. It pries into things which are intimate and makes them a public spectacle in the church.

Furthermore, I often see it used as a means of exalting some people over others. This was a great deal of the abuse with speaking in tongues. I often hear pastors say: "You don't have to speak in tongues; you get to speak in tongues." The clear implication is that if you are not outwardly manifesting some gift, then you are being carnal and not spiritual and really don't have any experience with the Holy Spirit. This was a part of the abuse of the church in Corinth. The funny thing here is that Paul identified the spiritual brats as being the ones who were glorying in their gifts. From my personal experience through the Charismatic world, the same problems are still in the church.

And, I see no attempt to examine what is happening against the Scriptures. I've heard people speak in "tongues" where they were disruptive to the service, sounded like some kind of bug clickety-clack, & the "translation" was just a bunch of junk. Yet not a single person stopped to ask the question: "Is that Biblical."

I watched a conference, where everyone was "falling out" and my ushers were so excited that they didn't want to do anything else than continue in this kind of experience. It became all about them. This was followed up with testimonials about the experience. There was applause for the great spirituality of those who had the experiences. I was left wondering: "When did we quit worshipping the Lord."

The latest greatest craze in my neck of the woods is over prophecy. Everyone can prophesy and should practice doing it. It doesn't matter if people aren't even prophesying. The only study of scripture seems to be about how we go about doing this. Lost are the cautions about causing brothers to stumble into sin and the warnings against false prophets. In fact, you don't even have to be accurate in your prophecy; all you have to do be encouraging. "Prophecy is all about opportunity," I was told.

What happened to the truth. What happened to the gospel. What happened to the preaching of Christ. Sigh!

[riverpastor]

Experience became scripture.

Woody, I certainly see your frustrations. I am sincere when I say that I would not that your doctrine is changed. The only thing that we have focused on here was something that was negative for you and a positive for me.

We had ever yet to discuss your love for the Lord or your heart for ministry or what you feel like the Lord has called you to do or to be.

I'm sorry that we didn't get a chance to discuss those things.

I apologize if you think I was trying to profane your intimacy with the Lord. I wasn't. I simply wanted to know what experience in intimacy you had with Him. I bare my soul and intimacy with the Lord to people daily when I walk in Him. As do you. You can't hide it when you've been with the Lord.

Acts 4:13 - Now when they saw the boldness and unfettered eloquence of Peter and John and perceived that they were unlearned and untrained in the schools [common men with no educational advantages], they marveled; and they recognized that they had been with Jesus. (Amplified)

May we agree on this? That it takes the Holy Spirit to change a man or woman???

Peace I leave with you.

riverpastor

[riverpastor]

I updated. See my post above.