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CharlesYTK
8th August 2004, 07:42 AM
I really think we miss the point sometimes. Everyone wants to argue about doctrine, what is the correct way to worship, how should we tie our Tzi Tzi, how we should observe the feast days. It is really more of a problem in those following the Apostolic writings because there is always disagreement about what word was used, which translation is correct ect. Yes it sure would be nice if there were a couple preserved leather bound originals in Aramaic, or Hebrew and all word for word in agreement with a complete Lexicon in the back. That way we would end a lot of this. The Tanahk is close to this; at least it has the accuracy given by the scribal process of error checking. But the apostolic writings? And yet it is almost as if the Lord doesn’t care. He seems to be pretty silent on these arguments and seems almost, in my mind, to roll his eyes smack his forehead and say, ”Sheesh.. they missed the point.” In Col 2 Paul emphasizes the importance of maintaining our focus on Yeshua rather than the precision of our understanding, ritual, customs, religious practice. In the Sheep and Goats Judgment of the nations in Matthew, men are judged not according to their doctrine, what they believed, but rather on how they treated others in tangible ways. Maybe we don’t all do Torah exactly right, but we can all try and make progress toward obedience. But that is a side issue and not the priority.



Sure I believe there is a right way of doing things and that God gave us the instructions and we should follow them. However if a man has gone off the wrong way and deviated from Torah or perhaps never even heard of Torah we should tenderly and lovingly show him the truth. But we should not allow our differences become an occasion to further the breach between us. What matters is who is God, who is Messiah, and how do we live in response to that. In the Parable of the Good Samaritan it was not the priest (holy man and servant of the temple) or the Pharisee (who knew and kept the law meticulously) who did the right thing. It was the Samaritan, (one considered a sinner and a dog, who had deviated from Torah and the Temple and had even taken on some Pagan ways) yet he did this one thing right, he had love without restriction for another human being and expressed this love not though words alone but with action, spending his own money, providing his with his own transportation, to ensure the fallen mans needs. It all comes down to Loving God and loving our fellow man. As Hillel said in reference to the meaning of Torah, “ Love God and love your neighbor, everything else is commentary.”



In the town I lived the Synagogue would help with the annual Christmas dinner for the needy. (They did many other things all year as well) But Christmas feed? This seemed out of place I thought. Yet maybe it wasn’t. Perhaps they saw more in common with these needy people, many I would assume of Christian backgrounds and creed, who at least believed in the same God. It was an opportunity to do things right and to show love to others, even those who we might otherwise consider dead wrong or dead in their sins.



So how do we live a spirit filled Messiah centered life? You decide. But put Him first and everybody else next. And then if there is time left over, think about yourself a little too.



Shalom

Charles

JewishHeart
8th August 2004, 01:10 PM
A Huge Amen!!!!!!!

Mother Vashti
8th August 2004, 01:13 PM
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Judephraim
8th August 2004, 02:28 PM
Nevermind

Henaynei
8th August 2004, 03:58 PM
In Col 2 Paul emphasizes the importance of maintaining our focus on Yeshua rather than the precision of our understanding, ritual, customs, religious practice. In the Sheep and Goats Judgment of the nations in Matthew, men are judged not according to their doctrine, what they believed, but rather on how they treated others in tangible ways. Maybe we don’t all do Torah exactly right, but we can all try and make progress toward obedience. But that is a side issue and not the priority. Actually, doing of these things is clearly and specifically instructed in, and the doing of them IS obedience to, Torah :) Torah is instruction on how to treat our fellows and in how to please HaShem. It is not secondary to anything. That which makes the difference in HaShem's eyes is the kavannah (heart attitude) with which these instructions are followed, or rejected. THAT is what is alluded to when HaShem teaches that He "looks on the heart" of a man.

CharlesYTK
9th August 2004, 05:24 PM
I agree with the validity of Torah and the blessings it brings to our life, and keep Torah myself as well as is possible.

Here is how Paul views this subject: From Philipians:

[4] Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: [5] Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; [6] Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. [7] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. [8] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, [9] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Torah brings us to Messiah. It also Keeps us safe, as a guide to righteousness that we might please the Lord. And Yeshua is the Lord Himself who we live to please and who we are brought to know. He is the focus, or target at which the law is pointed.

Charles

JewishHeart
9th August 2004, 11:27 PM
Charles,

AMENNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JewishHeart
9th August 2004, 11:28 PM
Shaul even said once he knows nothing but Messiah and Him crucified.

Henaynei
10th August 2004, 04:04 AM
;) and Messiah IS Torah, personafied :)

ShirChadash
10th August 2004, 11:29 AM
Know Torah, Know Yeshua. ;)

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