Benny Hinn

[whomiked]

Hey, I wanted to know what yall thought about Benny Hinn. The stuff he does is amazing. I'm not sure if hes filled with the holy spirit, or he's just faking.

[daveleau]

I don't like his focus on money as I have seen on his TBN shows. He seems to want to suck the viewers dry of money. I can not doubt his ability to heal because that is a gift of God. Many of His gifts can be faked. I leave that alone, as it is way above my pay grade to judge that.

[whomiked]

It's his focus on money that makes me think twice about him.

[oldrooster]

He remids me of Apu on The Simpsons........

[oldrooster]

Hey, I wanted to know what yall thought about Benny Hinn. The stuff he does is amazing. I'm not sure if hes filled with the holy spirit, or he's just faking.
He is a fake, a fraud & a phony.....period......

[whomiked]

He remids me of Apu on The Simpsons........
Haha yeah

[rainbowprism]

He guilts people into giving money....and I think he is a fake. Not to say that some of his 'healings' aren't true, there is some power in false religion/prophets though I don't know why God allows it, but I'm not in control of that so I'm trusting Him.

[Bradford]

He is a fake, a fraud & a phony.....period......
AMEN!

[LADY DI]

He is a fake, a fraud & a phony.....period......
I'd have to agree with you on that, oldrooster!!!

A couple of those news shows 60 minutes and 20/20 have done undercover investagations on him. They don't make him look good, thats for sure.
But I was aready expecting that to begin with.

[Blade]

Wow it's so nice to see the love of Jesus at work. So let me get this right, you got all this wisdom from watching him on TV? What if he prays every night to change and always do the right thing? I don't know if you do the same. And he says something you don't like or agree with so this makes him a fake, fraud and phony? Lets see, I see people give there live to Jesus by what he does. But we should not look at that because money is more important. Now Jesus did say it right. You who are without sin cast the 1st stone. How many times must I forgive my brother? I don't watch him or follow him.

Ok what I am saying and don't get to bent out of shape is if this was you, is this how you would want your brothers and sisters to talk about you? Gee maybe if you or I see others in sin we should pray for them.

[oldrooster]

Wow it's so nice to see the love of Jesus at work. So let me get this right, you got all this wisdom from watching him on TV? What if he prays every night to change and always do the right thing? I don't know if you do the same. And he says something you don't like or agree with so this makes him a fake, fraud and phony? Lets see, I see people give there live to Jesus by what he does. But we should not look at that because money is more important. Now Jesus did say it right. You who are without sin cast the 1st stone. How many times must I forgive my brother? I don't watch him or follow him.

Ok what I am saying and don't get to bent out of shape is if this was you, is this how you would want your brothers and sisters to talk about you? Gee maybe if you or I see others in sin we should pray for them.
I am also not on tv acting holier than thou, or fleeceing people out of their money. I also do not perform fake healings, or other dubious entertainment. He should be off the tv along with the rest of his ilk....

[OddBeani]

I don't like his focus on money as I have seen on his TBN shows. He seems to want to suck the viewers dry of money. I can not doubt his ability to heal because that is a gift of God. Many of His gifts can be faked. I leave that alone, as it is way above my pay grade to judge that.

AMEN!

The guy is a ripoff. My gram has given him so much money and claims that all he does is good and all...BS! Yeah, my gram went to one of his conventions and he ignored her. The rich prob people sat up front. Money is the root of all things evil..well that pretty much says it all.

Yeah he does claim to be holier than thou too, so OldRooster I concur!

[servant4ever]

Yes, Oddbeani...

Money is the root of all kinds of evil. If Benny is looking to money for the reasons for his crusades, then it is evil, so his miracles are not of God, but of satan. I watch him on tv and I am skeptical of how real those miracles are. I mean, come on, 100% of the people that go on stage are "slain in the Spirit" or whatever they are when they fall down. I do believe God does miracles, but everyone is not slain in the spirit when a miracle is performed on them, so I don't think Benny's miracles are real.

servant4ever

[OddBeani]

Here's some proof I just dug up on Mr. Hinn, read it and carefully re-read to realize how taken people are by him:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/h01.html

http://www.thedoormagazine.com/theheretic.html

http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/bennyhinn.htm

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/5834-Benny_Hinn_Back_In_Orlando.html

http://forums.christianity.com/html/P969686/


Just so you people knowI am not just biased or something, I gave you those to prove my accusations, and many other peoples' accusations about this fraud.

[oldrooster]

I am biased against him and his kind, it cheapens the Body Of Christ to have those germs inside of it. He gives us all a bad name, and when non-saved folks see people like him, do you really think that they want any part of Christianity ?

[servant4ever]

He remids me of Apu on The Simpsons........
lol, that made me laugh so hard I woke my parents up :D

servant4ever

[SH89]

Hey, I wanted to know what yall thought about Benny Hinn. The stuff he does is amazing. I'm not sure if hes filled with the holy spirit, or he's just faking.
Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

In his book, war in the heavenlies, he states that Jesus is an angel. If you don't believe me, read his book:War in the heavenlies

[Duggie]

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servant4ever]lol, that made me laugh so hard I woke my parents up :D
Yeah that was funny :D :D

[PaladinGirl]

He's a heretic for one thing. I also think he's a fake and that he's mainly in the "ministry" to try to suck people's wallets dry. But then again, I don't know for sure. That's just the impression that I get.

[PaladinGirl]

Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

In his book, war in the heavenlies, he states that Jesus is an angel. If you don't believe me, read his book:War in the heavenlies
Oh my! Are you joking me??? I don't have access to the book so I can't read it. I don't think I'd want to read a book by him anyway. But if this is true, then this confirms my belief that he is a heretic.

[SH89]

Oh my! Are you joking me??? I don't have access to the book so I can't read it. I don't think I'd want to read a book by him anyway. But if this is true, then this confirms my belief that he is a heretic.
:)

[Father Rick]

Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

In his book, war in the heavenlies, he states that Jesus is an angel. If you don't believe me, read his book:War in the heavenlies I have not read the book, but I would like to clear up a point of theology that may explain what was said.

In a number of places in the Old Testament there are references to "the Angel of the Lord". Virtually ALL Bible scholars agree these are references to the 'pre-incarnate' Christ-- meaning it was Jesus appearing to people before the incarnation, when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, etc. This is correct proper theology, and as I said is held true by even the most conservative scholars. If this is what Benny Hinn referred to, then he was actually very accurate in his theology.

[Father Rick]

Yes, Oddbeani...

Money is the root of all kinds of evil. If Benny is looking to money for the reasons for his crusades, then it is evil, so his miracles are not of God, but of satan. I watch him on tv and I am skeptical of how real those miracles are. I mean, come on, 100% of the people that go on stage are "slain in the Spirit" or whatever they are when they fall down. I do believe God does miracles, but everyone is not slain in the spirit when a miracle is performed on them, so I don't think Benny's miracles are real.

servant4everNOWHERE does the Bible say that money is the root of all kinds of evil-- rather it says 'the love of money is the root of all evil'. In one of Jesus' parables, Jesus says to make friends of money, so that you may use it for good ends. Jesus actually talks more about money than he does prayer (go check it out if you don't believe me). If Jesus put more emphasis on money than on prayer, can we fault someone for following his example and doing the same thing?


As to the issue of being 'slain in the spirit', if you watch again, this does not happen to EVERYONE who comes on the platform, althoug it does happen to most. Remember though, that you have a 2+ hour crusade editted down into 30 minutes so the parts they are going to show on tv are going to be the 'most exciting' parts.

[TheScottsMen]

Benny Hinn is a false prophet.

In his book, war in the heavenlies, he states that Jesus is an angel. If you don't believe me, read his book:War in the heavenlies I have a feeling this isn't incorrect or your taking it out of context, because the word Angel means a messenger or an angelic being. For example:

Lets look at John the Baptist:

Behold, I will send my messenger [mal'ak, the Hebrew word for "angel"], and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger [again, the Hebrew word is mal'ak] of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts. But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness. (Mal. 3:1-3)

For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. (Mat. 11:10, 11)

As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. (Mark 1:2)

He began to speak unto the people concerning John. . . . This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. (Luke 7:24, 27)

That should be enough....

Now what about Christ?

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire. (Rev. 10:1)

And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. (Rev. 4:3)

And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. (Mat. 17:2)

And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. (Rev. 1:13-16)

Why is Christ referred to as an "Angel" when He is not an angel, not a created being? Because He, more than any other being is the One who reveals the Father to us. This important work of Christ fits the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words for "angel."

So again, if Hinn did say that Christ was an "angel", not divine, and was created, so be it, but if you just trampled him and accused him of something he did not say, one should watch what they say, because some day we will give an account of every word we speak.

[rhemarob]

I refuse to come against Benny Hinn since if even one of his miracles are true then I stand in judgement so I just don't do it.

Off the subject, my pastors mom can never remember Benny Hinn's name so she always refers to him as " Henny Penny"
" The sky is falling - the sky is falling"

[SH89]

So again, if Hinn did say that Christ was an "angel", not divine, and was created, so be it, but if you just trampled him and accused him of something he did not say, one should watch what they say, because some day we will give an account of every word we speak.
Read Mr.Hinn's book: War in the heavens.

[dsdumpling]

I made the mistake of going to see him. There was a wonderful spirit in the place. People were saved, he called one young man up on the stage and publicly made fun of him because he had earrings in his ears. For a baby christian I can't imagine what that did to him. I left after that.

[TheScottsMen]

Read Mr.Hinn's book: War in the heavens.If this is to be true, quote it for us. I could easily say, "The Pope said that Jesus was not God!" in so and so book, but does that make it true? If you wish to slander someone for what they said or did not say, how about giving a reference to the page? If I wish to quote something that Jesus said, would I not give the book, chapter and verse to prove it? How about you do the same.

[SH89]

Announcer: </B>The following is another dynamic message by Benny Hinn, healing evangelist, author, teacher and pastor of the Orlando Christian Center.
Benny Hinn: [Tongues] The Lord says this year - the Lord says "this year in Orlando, you're going to see new ministers arise. Some are going to move into Orlando to start new ministries, but I'm not in it. I am not in it. They will come here because of the growth," and the Lord says to tell you that "what I don't begin, where I do not begin, will fall. But there'll be some, three of which I'm sending to this city. Three. One will spark the fires of evangelism. A second will spark the great commitment I'm waiting for in My church. These are not churches," the Lord says. "These are ministries, nationwide ministries, national ministries. And the third will be a ministry that is new, just been birthed, that will reach the young people of America from Orlando. And this church is going to be [tongues] is going to be in fellowship with that new ministry for the youth. They will expose Satan's last hidden secrets. They will be criticized for the way they look, but I am in them," says God. "They will not be your typical church-goer, but when they speak, you'll recognize the anointing. Yes," says the Lord, "they will even go into the high schools of America and bring God back into the classrooms." And the Lord says "it won't be easy, but this is a new breed of fighters that will even affect the minds in Washington, DC concerning Me."

The Lord also says that two of His great giants "will die in the mid-90's. They've held the torch of revival for the last 40 years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep, and the other will die with sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90's, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move, and the new move of God will begin, which I have promised. Remember, when Moses died, Joshua arose, and when the Moses's of this day will die, two of them still walking this earth, whose callings are of Moses, My Joshua's will arise.

"Yea," says the Lord, "you're going to see what your eyes have never seen, what your ears have not heard, what you've only dreamed about. Yes," says God, "because I am God, I will do it. There will be many raised from the dead in that day, many visitations of angels that will come as young men knocking at your door. You will not recognize them as angels at first, but then you will be burned within your hearts. Yes," says God, "Satan will not be able to stop the people I'm raising. Yes," says the Lord, "My Name is in them and many of them are in this room tonight."

The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid-90's, about '94, '95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [Round of applause] But He will not destroy it with what many minds have thought Him to be. He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.

God tells me to tell you there's a new disease that will arise on the scene unknown to mankind that will kill many. The Spirit of God tells me to tell you that there is a demon spirit - my goodness! - his name is Apollyon. He's written up in the book of Revelation. His name is The Destructor Destroyer. He will come from the south, from South America, into America itself, and will plague many who are living in rebellion.

God told me to tell you that the drug problem of America will cause many to die with that plague. This new plague will be birthed because of a new drug that will come on the scene in the '90s, and it will come from South America, and the United States government will look on that day and say "Where do we go now?"

But my people will arise with healing in their wings even as healing are in Mine. The economy of the United States of America is going to fall. Many businesses will go bankrupt. Many will be bought over by foreign companies even as they are now, but God says they will be bought by nations that now are considered under-developed, but says "Japan will turn away from America and will join hands with Europe and America will stand alone economically and will be rejected by the nations. But in that day I will bring America to its knees and I will visit it one more time." [Tongues] "And what will bring America to its knees," says the Spirit, "is the economic collapse. The allies she has depended upon will turn their backs and in that day I will reveal My glory to America and I will remember the seed that she has sown. I will remember My high, My high love for her."

The Spirit of God tells me to tell you that "because this nation has sown blood into the mission field, that I have heard the voice of My saints who have been sown into the nations out of this land, and because of that seed which is the blood of My saints, I will look again on this nation even as I've looked on Israel long ago and I will restore its greatness. In that greatness, I will be magnified.

"Canada will be visited by a mighty revival that will start in the West Coast of British Columbia. It will sweep across the West. It will sweep across even Alaska. It will come East. The great move of God that I have planned for America will not begin on the West Coast but on the East Coast. It will break loose in the next 3 years and sweep across to the West."

The Spirit of God tells me an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the '90s. Not one place will be safe from earthquakes in the '90s. These who have not known earthquakes will know it. People, I feel the Spirit all over me! [Tongues]

The Spirit of God tells me "there will be a woman that will arise as a leader in the West. In her day, much evil will take place. She will be very powerful." And the Spirit tells me that "the church, once raptured, following the rapture a woman President will be in the White House and that woman President will destroy this nation, but My church will be gone, and My saints will be home."

The Spirit tells me that Europe, who's already now becoming powerful, will rule the nations and influence the world. The Spirit tells me that South and Central America will have the greatest revival since Acts. As the worlds of communism have been broken in Europe, they will be broken in Central America.

The Spirit tells me Fidel Castro will die in the '90s. Oh, my! "Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed, but there will come a change in his physical health and he will not stay in power and Cuba will be visited of God. I will visit Cuba."

Holy Spirit, do you mean he'll die physically? What do you mean, Holy Spirit? Tell me, please? My! Oh! The Holy Spirit just said to me it will be worse than any death you can imagine. There's some question in my spirit on what kind of death the Lord means. I'm not sure. I see him, I see Castro bent over behind bars. I don't know what it means.

A world dictator is coming on the scene. My! He's a short man. He's a short man. I see a short man who's a perfect incarnation of Satan. [Tongues]
Never in my life have I had anything happen like what's happening to me now!
"This man will rule the world. In the next few years you will see him. But not long after that you will see Me." [Tongues]

And finally the Lord tells me to tell you this: "My church in America will be persecuted. Some of you are going not to understand it. In that day you will see the greatest glory on your person. Many families will turn away from Me and will deny Me, yet their children will follow Me, and I will be exalted by the young more than the old and as this persecution begins, many will turn against you and lead many of you into painful positions and painful places. But I will be closer to you that day than you've ever known Me to be," and now the Spirit says, "be strong and be courageous. I've not left you comfortless. I have come and I will build you and make you a mighty army for Me. I will cause you to know My power and the healing of My virtue. Yes," says the Lord, "this is the hour I'm preparing My church. Don't be afraid. Your days ahead are bright. Your days ahead are glorious. And to businessmen, I say, I will bless your business and the world will envy you. I will prosper you and you will be a helper to many. Yes," says God, "America on that day will lack, but My church will feed the hungry in America." Stand and praise Him.

My Lord, My Lord. How many feel an awesome presence of Almighty God? Lift your hands and praise His Holy Name, people. Hallelujah! What a way to start the nineties. What a way to start the nineties.....I wish that somebody would make sure to tell me what I said. Did you tape that brother? Did you tape that? I was totally drunk. I'm still drunk. (Prophecy For The 1990's, This Is Your Day, Orlando Christian Center, January 1, 1990)

all taken from raptureready.com

[TheScottsMen]

Announcer: </B>The following is another dynamic message by Benny Hinn, healing evangelist, author, teacher and pastor of the Orlando Christian Center.
Benny Hinn: [Tongues] The Lord says this year - the Lord says "this year in Orlando, you're going to see new ministers arise. Some are going to move into Orlando to start new ministries, but I'm not in it. I am not in it. They will come here because of the growth," and the Lord says to tell you that "what I don't begin, where I do not begin, will fall. But there'll be some, three of which I'm sending to this city. Three. One will spark the fires of evangelism. A second will spark the great commitment I'm waiting for in My church. These are not churches," the Lord says. "These are ministries, nationwide ministries, national ministries. And the third will be a ministry that is new, just been birthed, that will reach the young people of America from Orlando. And this church is going to be [tongues] is going to be in fellowship with that new ministry for the youth. They will expose Satan's last hidden secrets. They will be criticized for the way they look, but I am in them," says God. "They will not be your typical church-goer, but when they speak, you'll recognize the anointing. Yes," says the Lord, "they will even go into the high schools of America and bring God back into the classrooms." And the Lord says "it won't be easy, but this is a new breed of fighters that will even affect the minds in Washington, DC concerning Me."

The Lord also says that two of His great giants "will die in the mid-90's. They've held the torch of revival for the last 40 years, these two. One of them has been to this church, and the other has not. One will die suddenly while asleep, and the other will die with sickness. And as both giants die, which will be in the mid-90's, I will shake this world with a last revival. Their death will be the closing pages of this move, and the new move of God will begin, which I have promised. Remember, when Moses died, Joshua arose, and when the Moses's of this day will die, two of them still walking this earth, whose callings are of Moses, My Joshua's will arise.

"Yea," says the Lord, "you're going to see what your eyes have never seen, what your ears have not heard, what you've only dreamed about. Yes," says God, "because I am God, I will do it. There will be many raised from the dead in that day, many visitations of angels that will come as young men knocking at your door. You will not recognize them as angels at first, but then you will be burned within your hearts. Yes," says God, "Satan will not be able to stop the people I'm raising. Yes," says the Lord, "My Name is in them and many of them are in this room tonight."

The Lord also tells me to tell you in the mid-90's, about '94, '95, no later than that, God will destroy the homosexual community of America. [Round of applause] But He will not destroy it with what many minds have thought Him to be. He will destroy it with fire. And many will turn and be saved, and many will rebel and be destroyed.

God tells me to tell you there's a new disease that will arise on the scene unknown to mankind that will kill many. The Spirit of God tells me to tell you that there is a demon spirit - my goodness! - his name is Apollyon. He's written up in the book of Revelation. His name is The Destructor Destroyer. He will come from the south, from South America, into America itself, and will plague many who are living in rebellion.

God told me to tell you that the drug problem of America will cause many to die with that plague. This new plague will be birthed because of a new drug that will come on the scene in the '90s, and it will come from South America, and the United States government will look on that day and say "Where do we go now?"

But my people will arise with healing in their wings even as healing are in Mine. The economy of the United States of America is going to fall. Many businesses will go bankrupt. Many will be bought over by foreign companies even as they are now, but God says they will be bought by nations that now are considered under-developed, but says "Japan will turn away from America and will join hands with Europe and America will stand alone economically and will be rejected by the nations. But in that day I will bring America to its knees and I will visit it one more time." [Tongues] "And what will bring America to its knees," says the Spirit, "is the economic collapse. The allies she has depended upon will turn their backs and in that day I will reveal My glory to America and I will remember the seed that she has sown. I will remember My high, My high love for her."

The Spirit of God tells me to tell you that "because this nation has sown blood into the mission field, that I have heard the voice of My saints who have been sown into the nations out of this land, and because of that seed which is the blood of My saints, I will look again on this nation even as I've looked on Israel long ago and I will restore its greatness. In that greatness, I will be magnified.

"Canada will be visited by a mighty revival that will start in the West Coast of British Columbia. It will sweep across the West. It will sweep across even Alaska. It will come East. The great move of God that I have planned for America will not begin on the West Coast but on the East Coast. It will break loose in the next 3 years and sweep across to the West."

The Spirit of God tells me an earthquake will hit the East Coast of America and destroy much in the '90s. Not one place will be safe from earthquakes in the '90s. These who have not known earthquakes will know it. People, I feel the Spirit all over me! [Tongues]

The Spirit of God tells me "there will be a woman that will arise as a leader in the West. In her day, much evil will take place. She will be very powerful." And the Spirit tells me that "the church, once raptured, following the rapture a woman President will be in the White House and that woman President will destroy this nation, but My church will be gone, and My saints will be home."

The Spirit tells me that Europe, who's already now becoming powerful, will rule the nations and influence the world. The Spirit tells me that South and Central America will have the greatest revival since Acts. As the worlds of communism have been broken in Europe, they will be broken in Central America.

The Spirit tells me Fidel Castro will die in the '90s. Oh, my! "Some will try to kill him and they will not succeed, but there will come a change in his physical health and he will not stay in power and Cuba will be visited of God. I will visit Cuba."

Holy Spirit, do you mean he'll die physically? What do you mean, Holy Spirit? Tell me, please? My! Oh! The Holy Spirit just said to me it will be worse than any death you can imagine. There's some question in my spirit on what kind of death the Lord means. I'm not sure. I see him, I see Castro bent over behind bars. I don't know what it means.

A world dictator is coming on the scene. My! He's a short man. He's a short man. I see a short man who's a perfect incarnation of Satan. [Tongues]
Never in my life have I had anything happen like what's happening to me now!
"This man will rule the world. In the next few years you will see him. But not long after that you will see Me." [Tongues]

And finally the Lord tells me to tell you this: "My church in America will be persecuted. Some of you are going not to understand it. In that day you will see the greatest glory on your person. Many families will turn away from Me and will deny Me, yet their children will follow Me, and I will be exalted by the young more than the old and as this persecution begins, many will turn against you and lead many of you into painful positions and painful places. But I will be closer to you that day than you've ever known Me to be," and now the Spirit says, "be strong and be courageous. I've not left you comfortless. I have come and I will build you and make you a mighty army for Me. I will cause you to know My power and the healing of My virtue. Yes," says the Lord, "this is the hour I'm preparing My church. Don't be afraid. Your days ahead are bright. Your days ahead are glorious. And to businessmen, I say, I will bless your business and the world will envy you. I will prosper you and you will be a helper to many. Yes," says God, "America on that day will lack, but My church will feed the hungry in America." Stand and praise Him.

My Lord, My Lord. How many feel an awesome presence of Almighty God? Lift your hands and praise His Holy Name, people. Hallelujah! What a way to start the nineties. What a way to start the nineties.....I wish that somebody would make sure to tell me what I said. Did you tape that brother? Did you tape that? I was totally drunk. I'm still drunk. (Prophecy For The 1990's, This Is Your Day, Orlando Christian Center, January 1, 1990)

all taken from raptureready.com

Can't find the quote on the heresy hunter sites huh?:)

[SH89]

Benny Hinn and Necromancy (Talking to the Dead)

"Now, I don't understand why the Lord allowed me to see that. I've not just seen angels; I've seen saints. Can I tell you? This might even shock you a little more. The Lord gave me a vision of Kathryn Kuhlman sitting with what seemed to be a group of people . . . and every one of them seemed to be urging me to pray. Now, I know this sounds crazy, but it's all right. I don't mind crazy because I liked what I saw . . . I was in prayer at uh, least hours . . . At least fifty to seventy of them sitting in a group, and they were saying to me, 'Pray! Ask God to give you a healing ministry that will touch the world! And suddenly, I heard Kathryn's voice and suddenly there she was its crystal clear. And she in her beautiful smile, she said, 'Ask! We're waiting for you to ask! We're praying with you to ask!' And the vision disappeared. And suddenly I said, 'Lord!' And I asked. A week later the anointing hit my life. I believe the saints in Heaven urge us to pray. Urge us to do it! ." (Excerpted from message presented at the Blaisdale Arena, Honolulu, HI, 2/28/97).

Necromancy is communication with the dead and is absolutely forbidden by Holy Scripture. Moses stated, "There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer." (Deuteronomy 18:10-11). Isaiah added a clear warning that we are to seek our God by seeking His law and His testimony and if we seek any other source or spirit it is because there is no light in us. "And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them." (Isaiah 8:19-20).

[SH89]

Jesus Is Going to Appear Physically at Benny's Meetings


"I believe - hear this, hear this - I believe that Jesus, God's Son, is about to appear physically
in meetings and to believers around the world to wake us up. He appeared after His resurrection and He's about to appear before His second coming.

"You know, a prophetess sent me a word through my wife right here, and she said 'Tell your
husband that Jesus is going to physically appear in his meetings.' I'm expecting to see - I'm telling you, I feel it's going to happen.

"I'm careful in how I'm saying it now, because I know that people in Kenya are listening. I know deep in my soul something supernatural is going to happen in Nairobi, Kenya. I feel that. I may very well come back - and you and Jan are coming. Paul and Jan are coming to Nairobi with me - But Paul we may very well come back with footage of Jesus on the platform.

Now hear this - I'm prophesying this: Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is about to appear physically in some churches and some meetings and to many of His people, for one reason - to tell you He's about to show up." (TBN Praise-a-thon, April 2, 2000)




Benny: I got to tell you this quickly, just before we go. I had a word of prophecy from Ruth Heflin. You know who Ruth Heflin is? Ruth prophesied over me back in the '70s and everything she said has happened. She's just sent me a word through my wife and said, the Lord spoke to her audibly and said that He is going to appear physically in one of our crusades in the next few months.

Steve Brock: My God! I'm ready for that!

Benny: Yeah. She - I'm telling you! - she said, the Lord spoke to her audibly and said "Tell Benny I'm going to appear physically on the platform in his meeting." (This is Your Day, March 29, 2000)




Matthew 24:23-27

"At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' [or in Benny Hinn's meetings] do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. "

[SH89]

Jesus Could have Sinned


Benny Hinn: Now, Jesus endured the cross and looked towards the cross by the power of the Holy Ghost....
And here's something that's amazing. Paul! He was kept sinless by the Spirit. Because the Bible says He offered Himself spotless through the Spirit. Watch this, it's right here. "How much more shall the blood of Christ Who, through the eternal Spirit, offered Himself without spot." So had the Holy Ghost not been there, then Jesus would have sinned.
Now I know, some of the, well -

Paul Crouch: The heretic hunters.

Benny Hinn: Some won't like it, but it's in the Bible.

Paul Crouch: Yes, it is. I've never heard that.

Benny Hinn: The Holy Spirit is the One Who kept Christ sinless. Because without the Holy Spirit, Christ would have sinned. And remember something: the devil would not have tempted Him had he thought that Jesus could not sin....

Paul Crouch: He wouldn't have bothered.

Benny Hinn: Exactly. The devil would not have tempted Christ had Christ -

Jan Crouch: Not been able to sin.

Benny Hinn: Not been able to. In fact, if Jesus could not sin, you and I could not have identified with Him.....

Benny Hinn: He offered Himself without spot to God through the eternal Spirit. It's right there. You can't argue with it. And anybody that thinks Jesus could not sin, you haven't read the Bible right, because the Bible says He was tempted in all points. (Praise The Lord, Trinity Broadcasting Network, April 24, 1998)

[Mother Vashti]

I don't know what to think of him. For all the harsh criticisms I've seen of the guy on TV ... he seems like a decent fellow to me. To be perfectly honest, there's always something about the critics that strikes me as shady, not Hinn himself. If he's asking for dough all the time, well, whatever, he's gotta pay bills like the rest of us (only his bill-collectors are television stations)...

To the person who said "he reminds me of Apu on the Simpsons", you're an ignorant hick.

[TheScottsMen]

Lets see who else we these heresy hunters consider "fakes" and "heretics".

Billy Graham
http://www.clrc.net/bgraham.html
http://www.texemarrs.com/051998/deceive.htm

Martin Luther
http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/luther1.htm
http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/gesu.htm

Paul (The Apostle)
http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_02.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/yhwh/Paul%20Thirteenth%20or%20False%20Apostle/apostleorheretic.htm

Heck, why stop at Paul? How about Jesus the heretic?

Jesus:
http://www.therationalist.org/kk.php/s,3280
http://www.geocities.com/trailofjesus/ewindex.htm

Do I really need to keep going? If you look for garbage, you will know doubt find it, the interent is full of garbage, you proved it with the above post. But see, I can I can dig into the trashbin and find garbage too!:)

[Mother Vashti]

Exactly, Scottsmen. You make a great point.

[Father Rick]

Jesus Could have Sinned This is actually correct proper theology. This debate goes on back and forth in seminaries constantly, with most scholars agreeing that Jesus COULD have sinned but did not.

If it were not possible for Jesus to sin, then He could not be an example for us. Furthermore, scripture says Jesus was tempted in every manner even as we are. If He could not have sinned, then it is impossible for Him to be tempted to sin.

[Father Rick]

Benny Hinn and Necromancy (Talking to the Dead)
On the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus himself talked with Moses and Elijah. Was Jesus also a necromancer?

Benny does not say he was trying to contact the spirits of the dead. Rather, he states this was a vision of what was happening in heaven. This actually sounds very much like what happen to St. John in the giving of the Revelation. He saw different things and a man (most think it was an angel, but the text does not actually say that) talked to John about what things were to come.

[Father Rick]

Jesus Is Going to Appear Physically at Benny's Meetings First, Hinn was quoting someone else and relating that another person had made these statements.

Secondly, this is the very method by which Jesus appeared to St. Paul as well as to the disciples in the upper room after his resurrection-- as well as to at least 500 others scripture says.

So what's the problem?

[TheScottsMen]

First, Hinn was quoting someone else and relating that another person had made these statements.

Secondly, this is the very method by which Jesus appeared to St. Paul as well as to the disciples in the upper room after his resurrection-- as well as to at least 500 others scripture says.

So what's the problem?
Great stuff above!

[OddBeani]

Here's a reminder: Lets all try to keep innane comments and disrespect away from these threads no matter how angered others can make us, ok? I read one certain post and found it to be very disrespectful and hurtful, please refrain from these tactics in the future.

I believe wholeheartedly that Benny Hinn is a liar. I have seen how he is in person and know that he is deceitful and scheming. Begging for money from people and implying that it will help them be healed (oh blah blah we need $ to continue to pray for you...be healed)

That is all a bunch of lies. Somewhere in the bible it talks about not standing on a street corner or something like that and making a spectacle of yourself, no matter what this man claims his purposes are, I still say they are self-beneficial and evil.

Hmm...AntiChrist...Apu...whatever.

[Duggie]

[OddBeani]Here's a reminder: Lets all try to keep innane comments and disrespect away from these threads no matter how angered others can make us, ok? I read one certain post and found it to be very disrespectful and hurtful, please refrain from these tactics in the future.
I agree, and obviously your not about to do the very same thing are you?



I believe wholeheartedly that Benny Hinn is a liar. I have seen how he is in person and know that he is deceitful and scheming. Begging for money from people and implying that it will help them be healed (oh blah blah we need $ to continue to pray for you...be healed)

That is all a bunch of lies. Somewhere in the bible it talks about not standing on a street corner or something like that and making a spectacle of yourself, no matter what this man claims his purposes are, I still say they are self-beneficial and evil.

Hmm...AntiChrist...Apu...whatever.
Oh, you are :sigh: and there's me thinking you wasn't going to do the exact same thing you accuse others of doing. :doh:

[rainbowprism]

If Benny Hinn was truly annointed, connected, true prophet of God then I don't see why he would cause so much division amongst us and not peace. Seems more like there's a fox in the henhouse.

[rainbowprism]

I agree, and obviously your not about to do the very same thing are you?


Oh, you are :sigh: and there's me thinking you wasn't going to do the exact same thing you accuse others of doing. :doh:


I think the poster was disagreeing (which is allowed) but in a respectful manner (which makes all the difference).

[oldrooster]

I still will say that he is a fake, a fraud and a phony, along with 90% of the rest of the televangelists.....

[Father Rick]

If Benny Hinn was truly annointed, connected, true prophet of God then I don't see why he would cause so much division amongst us and not peace. Seems more like there's a fox in the henhouse. ?!?!?!?!

Remember the Bible? They stoned the prophets.... or sawed them in half.... or chased them into hiding in caves... etc., etc.


Joan of Arc was burned at the stake... as a heretic... then canonized as a saint...

Martin Luther... condemned as heretic by his contemporaries...

The list goes on and on..

Sorry if I sound mean, Rainbow.... maybe I need my coffee this morning... I know from your posts that you are usually very gracious with everyone here.

It's just frustrating to me that the test everyone puts for whether someone is from God or not is "if they cause division, then they're not from God". Jesus actually said he would send his disciples out and put division even in the same household. God has always raised up prophetic voices in the church when there was error or falling away. These prophetic voices usually cause division because they bring rebuke and correction that not everyone wants to hear. (I really wish the whole church would stay sensitive to God and repent quickly, but I've been in this thing too long to think that will happen...)

I am NOT trying to say Benny Hinn is some great prophet. In fact there are many things the man does that I think are kind of fruity. But what I am saying is that he has led more people to Christ in his ministry than I have, so who am I to condemn him. When the disciples came to Jesus about some 'others' who were preaching in Jesus' name, Jesus said "If they are not against me, then they are for me". Paul, when speaking of people who were preaching strictly for personal gain said "From right motive, or from wrong motive, at least Christ is being preached." I think too often we are so quick to judge someone because they have a different style from us, but God is the only one who can determine what is in a person's heart. Again, Jesus said, "Do you judge another man's servant?". If Benny Hinn were on staff at my church and working under me, then I would have place to critique him on what I may feel he is doing right or wrong. Since he's not, then I have to leave it up to God to judge him, because God is the one to whom he will be accountable.

[rainbowprism]

?!?!?!?!

Remember the Bible? They stoned the prophets.... or sawed them in half.... or chased them into hiding in caves... etc., etc.

Yes, people knew these people didn't "feel" right. I'm not saying to say BH in half but I think you know what I was trying to say....

[Father Rick]

Yes, people knew these people didn't "feel" right. I'm not saying to say BH in half but I think you know what I was trying to say.... ???:confused: These were the true prophets they did these things to. Am I misunderstanding you?

[rainbowprism]

???:confused: These were the true prophets they did these things to. Am I misunderstanding you?

Oh I misunderstood...

I don't believe BH falls under that category though, as a true prophet I mean.

[Father Rick]

Oh I misunderstood...

I don't believe BH falls under that category though, as a true prophet I mean. The point here though is that the true prophets cause great division sometimes....

Again, I am not saying BH is perfect... see my earlier post...

[rainbowprism]

The point here though is that the true prophets cause great division sometimes....

Again, I am not saying BH is perfect... see my earlier post...
I gotcha

[Blade]

You people just don't see do you. Prophet where did he say he was a prophet? Did he? I really don't know. Now if you can not prove it then you should not be talking like you are. If he makes fun of some one (your words) then it's ok to let others do the same to him? And some of you wonder why you have so many problems in this life. Not one of you can say I would want people to talk about me this way. No you would say if you think I am in the wrong please pray:pray: for me and tell me to my face not behind my back. There is no place in the word of God that says to call others names.

Jesus I am so in love with you...

Jesus told us to love our enemies and just look how some of you talk about another believer. He leads others to Jesus, more than you and I. Yet some of you focus your thoughts on his failures, his mistakes as you think of them. Come on your so bold to say how bad he is what about you? The same thing happen when Jesus was here, others would say look this person is in sin yet he said "what about you?" You want the truth... You and I no matter what anyone does we HAVE to LOVE them and FORGIVE them. If we don't then Jesus will not forgive us. That is written. I am not mad so please don't take this in that way :). Some of you here don't even go to church every Sunday.

[Bible Addict]

I find that he's always pushing the sales of his books and asking for donations... I'm not going to try and judge what he does because I have no way of knowing, but I wonder about him too sometimes.

[Rebirth In Flames]

I've just read a few articles that were posted on the first few pages of this thread... in The Door Magazine (http://www.thedoormagazine.com/theheretic.html)

When asked why none of his healing really work.. or rather, why the people he heals, die a few months later; he said this:
"The reason people lose their healing is because they begin questioning if God really did it."

Man, that's really cruel. Just about everyone he heals, doctors say that those people never had the condition they were healed for in the beginning, or they think they're healed and stop taking their meds then die shortly after. Never has there been proof that his "healing" are real, but there's a whole lot of evidence to show that he's full of it and very cruel to people... and money, well, that's a completely different issue.

[TheScottsMen]

"The reason people lose their healing is because they begin questioning if God really did it."


I've heard him say that, don't remember where though, maybe CNN? Anyways, correct me if I'm wrong, but where did anyone lose their healing because of faith? Maybe I just forgot? But, if not one person lost it because of faith, thats adding to scripture.

TSM

[Tenorvoice]

Stay away from that man~~~~~

He is nothing more than a false teacher. He teaches that we can become little gods. For the devil is the great imitator, remember this please. I give you this warning out of love, please I beg of you stay away from his teachings. They are not of God.

But if you doubt me check out his works (written) closely and see for yourself.

[Bible Addict]

That's something I never heard, I don't exactly watch him all the time if you know what I mean... lol... but that is really cruel, and it makes me sick to have people calling themselves Christian when they are so cruel to people like that!

[Tenorvoice]

This comes straight from http://www.letusreason.org/Pent39.htm

And what of blasphemy? The Pharisees called Jesus a blasphemer because he said he was equal with God. Many of Hinn's own previous statements of who he thinks he is can be construed as dangerously in the same category.

When you say, 'I am a Christian,' you are saying, 'I am mashiach,' in the Hebrew. I am a little messiah walking on earth, …You are a little god on earth running around" (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, November 6,'90) "Say after me: 'Within me is a God-Man.' … [Congregation repeats.] Now, let's say even better than that. Let's say, 'I AM A GOD-MAN.' …This spirit man within me is a God-Man. …Say 'I'm born- of- heaven- God-Man. I'm a God-Man. I'm a sample of Jesus. I'm a super being'" (Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990). "Is he God? Are you His offspring? Are you His children? You can't be human! You can't! You can't! God didn't give birth to the flesh...(Our Position In Christ #2 - The Word Made Flesh" video tape #255, 1991) "Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge....you are god" (" Our Position In Christ", tape # AO31190-1)

"SO, I'M BENNY JEHOVAH!" (Spiritual Warfare Seminar, May 2 1990).

"We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and we are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was." (The Berean Call, 1992 Media Spotlight Special Report, Feb 94)

I would suggest that everyone here check out this site. PLEASE!!

[Tenorvoice]

Yes, Oddbeani...

Money is the root of all kinds of evil.
I love it when this is misquoted~~~:sigh: NOT!!!

The Bible says (and I qoute)
1TI 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Peace and Joy in the Lord Always

(ps make sure you quote correctly in the future)

[Bible Addict]

I guess the moral to this thread is stay away from Benny Hinn, greedy, lying, blasphemer extraordinaire!

God forgive me if we're wrong about him, but I honestly don't think we are.

[LynneClomina]

I am also not on tv acting holier than thou, or fleeceing people out of their money. I also do not perform fake healings, or other dubious entertainment. He should be off the tv along with the rest of his ilk....
Lu 18:11 -
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men--extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector.

[LynneClomina]

Phillipians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from good will: 16 The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.

[riverpastor]

I am also not on tv acting holier than thou, or fleeceing people out of their money. I also do not perform fake healings, or other dubious entertainment. He should be off the tv along with the rest of his ilk...

Is all healing fake then???

And guys, the Word of God says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

If you're going to try to quote it, quote it right please...

[LynneClomina]

I made the mistake of going to see him. There was a wonderful spirit in the place. People were saved, he called one young man up on the stage and publicly made fun of him because he had earrings in his ears. For a baby christian I can't imagine what that did to him. I left after that.
yah, well, i've done some mean things in my life - SINCE being a christian. we are FAR from perfect, that's why God gives us grace, so we can get OVER it. our messes, AND OTHER'S.

[LynneClomina]

1 Samuel 24:4 Then the men of David said to him, "This is the day of which the Lord said to you, 'Behold, I will deliver your enemy into your hand, that you may do to him as it seems good to you.' " And David arose and secretly cut off a corner of Saul's robe. 5 Now it happened afterward that David's heart troubled him because he had cut Saul's robe. 6 And he said to his men, "The Lord forbid that I should do this thing to my master, the Lord's anointed, to stretch out my hand against him, seeing he is the anointed of the Lord." 7 So David restrained his servants with these words, and did not allow them to rise against Saul. And Saul got up from the cave and went on his way. 8 David also arose afterward, went out of the cave, and called out to Saul, saying, "My lord the king!" And when Saul looked behind him, David stooped with his face to the earth, and bowed down. 9 And David said to Saul: "Why do you listen to the words of men who say, 'Indeed David seeks your harm'? 10 Look, this day your eyes have seen that the Lord delivered you today into my hand in the cave, and someone urged me to kill you. But my eye spared you, and I said, 'I will not stretch out my hand against my lord, for he is the Lord's anointed.' 11 Moreover, my father, see! Yes, see the corner of your robe in my hand! For in that I cut off the corner of your robe, and did not kill you, know and see that there is neither evil nor rebellion in my hand, and I have not sinned against you. Yet you hunt my life to take it. 12 Let the Lord judge between you and me, and let the Lord avenge me on you. But my hand shall not be against you. 13 As the proverb of the ancients says, 'Wickedness proceeds from the wicked.' But my hand shall not be against you. 14 After whom has the king of Israel come out? Whom do you pursue? A dead dog? A flea? 15 Therefore let the Lord be judge, and judge between you and me, and see and plead my case, and deliver me out of your hand."

1 Samuel 26:7 So David and Abishai came to the people by night; and there Saul lay sleeping within the camp, with his spear stuck in the ground by his head. And Abner and the people lay all around him. 8 Then Abishai said to David, "God has delivered your enemy into your hand this day. Now therefore, please, let me strike him at once with the spear, right to the earth; and I will not have to strike him a second time!" 9 And David said to Abishai, "Do not destroy him; for who can stretch out his hand against the Lord's anointed, and be guiltless?" 10 David said furthermore, "As the Lord lives, the Lord shall strike him, or his day shall come to die, or he shall go out to battle and perish. 11 The Lord forbid that I should stretch out my hand against the Lord's anointed. But please, take now the spear and the jug of water that are by his head, and let us go." 12 So David took the spear and the jug of water by Saul's head, and they got away; and no man saw it or knew it or awoke. For they were all asleep, because a deep sleep from the Lord had fallen on them.

13 Now David went over to the other side, and stood on the top of a hill afar off, a great distance being between them. 14 And David called out to the people and to Abner the son of Ner, saying, "Do you not answer, Abner?" Then Abner answered and said, "Who are you, calling out to the king?" 15 So David said to Abner, "Are you not a man? And who is like you in Israel? Why then have you not guarded your lord the king? For one of the people came in to destroy your lord the king. 16 This thing that you have done is not good. As the Lord lives, you deserve to die, because you have not guarded your master, the Lord's anointed. And now see where the king's spear is, and the jug of water that was by his head." 17 Then Saul knew David's voice, and said, "Is that your voice, my son David?" And David said, "It is my voice, my lord, O king." 18 And he said, "Why does my lord thus pursue his servant? For what have I done, or what evil is in my hand? 19 Now therefore, please, let my lord the king hear the words of his servant: If the Lord has stirred you up against me, let Him accept an offering. But if it is the children of men, may they be cursed before the Lord, for they have driven me out this day from sharing in the inheritance of the Lord, saying, 'Go, serve other gods.' 20 So now, do not let my blood fall to the earth before the face of the Lord. For the king of Israel has come out to seek a flea, as when one hunts a partridge in the mountains."

21 ]Then[/U] Saul said, "I have sinned. Return, my son David. For I will harm you no more, because my life was precious in your eyes this day. Indeed I have played the fool and erred exceedingly." 22 And David answered and said, "Here is the king's spear. Let one of the young men come over and get it. 23 May the Lord repay every man for his righteousness and his faithfulness; for the Lord delivered you into my hand today, but I would not stretch out my hand against the Lord's anointed. 24 And indeed, as your life was valued much this day in my eyes, so let my life be valued much in the eyes of the Lord, and let Him deliver me out of all tribulation." 25 Then Saul said to David, "May you be blessed, my son David! You shall both do great things and also still prevail." So David went on his way, and Saul returned to his place.

[rainbowprism]

I find that he's always pushing the sales of his books and asking for donations... I'm not going to try and judge what he does because I have no way of knowing, but I wonder about him too sometimes.


Yeah that's basically my beef with him too. One that seems to sell 'indulgences' in exchange for salvation....eh :P

[oldrooster]

You can quote scripture all day, people like him hurt the church more than they ever help it. He is nothing but a self-serving snake oil salesman. He still reminds me of Apu on the Simpsons.

[oldrooster]

Is all healing fake then???

And guys, the Word of God says the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.

1 Timothy 6:10 - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

If you're going to try to quote it, quote it right please...
Nope, not all fake.....if you believe his are, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you....

[Tenorvoice]

It is not that his healings are for real, it is that they do NOT come from God. if you read his works and listen to him closly then you will see that they do NOT come from the Lord our God.

[oldrooster]

It is not that his healings are for real, it is that they do NOT come from God. if you read his works and listen to him closly then you will see that they do NOT come from the Lord our God.
I believe satan has a hand in those.....

[Duggie]

[rainbowprism]I think the poster was disagreeing (which is allowed) but in a respectful manner (which makes all the difference).
Oh!! so calling someone a liar, scheming and evil is a respectful way of criticizing someone is it? It amazes me when I hear people talk about how we should stop all the arguing and being disrespectful to each other, then we go on to judge and condemn others in the body of Christ. Who are you or anyone else to say BH is evil? Do you really think that we as Christians should be going around calling people like BH evil? It saddens me, the reality is so simple, if you don't like the man don't watch him. It really is that simple :scratch:

[oldrooster]

Oh!! so calling someone a liar, scheming and evil is a respectful way of criticizing someone is it? It amazes me when I hear people talk about how we should stop all the arguing and being disrespectful to each other, then we go on to judge and condemn others in the body of Christ. Who are you or anyone else to say BH is evil? Do you really think that we as Christians should be going around calling people like BH evil? It saddens me, the reality is so simple, if you don't like the man don't watch him. It really is that simple :scratch:
Yep, when he is decieving the faithful. Fleecing the elderly out of money. Performing all sorts of circus tricks you bet. Jesus would have too.

[Duggie]

[oldrooster]Yep, when he is decieving the faithful. Fleecing the elderly out of money. Performing all sorts of circus tricks you bet. Jesus would have too.
Here's the problem I have with slandering and criticizing people like BH. I don't watch the guy personally so I can fully appreciate the concerns people have and people, rightfully, raise regarding some of his statements or actions. I have no problem with that whatsoever. What I find distasteful is the hypocrasy of people who are so quick to personally attack not only BH but many other well renouned teachers and yet if their every word was scrutinized and examined like BH then I'm sure we would all find fault and error in their words. Yes I appreciate BH has a platform and reaches literally millions of people across the world and so therefore he has an added responsibilty to speak the truth and not lead people into error. However, fleecing elderly folk out of their money? I'm not so convinced people are as gullible as you imagine. If your so offended by what BH does then why don't you turn over or switch off. If your so concerned for these elderly people being robbed by BH then why don't you do something about it. Or are you simply content with slandering his name on CF? Thanks!!!!

[Tenorvoice]

Wasn't he the one that said if you sent him $ that they would send you a hankerchief that was "blessed" and would bring great things into your life (but if it didn't send them more $ and they would send you a nother one that would??)

I can not remeber if it was him or another guy. So many false teachers today it is hard to remember them all. (Paul writing the Lords words here, He speaks on the false prophets in the last days in 2 Tim 3:6~ 2TI 3:6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 2TI 3:7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. )

[oldrooster]

Here's the problem I have with slandering and criticizing people like BH. I don't watch the guy personally so I can fully appreciate the concerns people have and people, rightfully, raise regarding some of his statements or actions. I have no problem with that whatsoever. What I find distasteful is the hypocrasy of people who are so quick to personally attack not only BH but many other well renouned teachers and yet if their every word was scrutinized and examined like BH then I'm sure we would all find fault and error in their words. Yes I appreciate BH has a platform and reaches literally millions of people across the world and so therefore he has an added responsibilty to speak the truth and not lead people into error. However, fleecing elderly folk out of their money? I'm not so convinced people are as gullible as you imagine. If your so offended by what BH does then why don't you turn over or switch off. If your so concerned for these elderly people being robbed by BH then why don't you do something about it. Or are you simply content with slandering his name on CF? Thanks!!!!
Old people are gullible, they have many health problems and will fall for garbage like his. Sorry you feel the need to defend him, I have done something about it. I had cable remove all the televangelist channels from my service, I will not give money to frauds. I will not be silent however. My opinion will be heard wether you like it or not.....

[Blade]

Yep, when he is decieving the faithful. Fleecing the elderly out of money. Performing all sorts of circus tricks you bet. Jesus would have too.
Jesus has nothing to do with what you are doing. Putting him in the same line does not make what you are saying right. You don't even back it up with the Word. Did you know BH is gona be standing right with you in heaven. And Jesus is gona tell him how good he was. And he's gona say the same to you. Remember the same God that forgives you forgives all of us. Sorry your no better than the rest of us. The spirit of God never goes around telling us to tell the world how bad someone is. That's another persons job. ;)

[oldrooster]

Jesus has nothing to do with what you are doing. Putting him in the same line does not make what you are saying right. You don't even back it up with the Word. Did you know BH is gona be standing right with you in heaven. And Jesus is gona tell him how good he was. And he's gona say the same to you. Remember the same God that forgives you forgives all of us. Sorry your no better than the rest of us. The spirit of God never goes around telling us to tell the world how bad someone is. That's another persons job. ;)
His ilk have done more to turn people away from the Lord than all the demons in the world. I seriously doubt that Benny or Pat Robertson or the rest of them will be with me. The Lord would not have rode around in a Rolls selling healings for money. He is a fraud, period......

[rainbowprism]

Oh!! so calling someone a liar, scheming and evil is a respectful way of criticizing someone is it? It amazes me when I hear people talk about how we should stop all the arguing and being disrespectful to each other, then we go on to judge and condemn others in the body of Christ. Who are you or anyone else to say BH is evil? Do you really think that we as Christians should be going around calling people like BH evil? It saddens me, the reality is so simple, if you don't like the man don't watch him. It really is that simple :scratch:


Duggie- I don't like him and I don't watch him--so it is simple as that for me. But I don't know why your are trying to argue with me either.

[OddBeani]

Oh!! so calling someone a liar, scheming and evil is a respectful way of criticizing someone is it? It amazes me when I hear people talk about how we should stop all the arguing and being disrespectful to each other, then we go on to judge and condemn others in the body of Christ. Who are you or anyone else to say BH is evil? Do you really think that we as Christians should be going around calling people like BH evil? It saddens me, the reality is so simple, if you don't like the man don't watch him. It really is that simple http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/scratch.gif
You grossly misinterpreted by first paragraph in the post you accused me of being a hippocrite in. I meant that WE, people of CF, should be able to come to CF, speak our minds and not be afraid of others judging us and saying rude things. You know, what is even far more sad is that you accused me of such treachery in this forum, where a debate, UNRELATED AS TO ODDBEANI, has been going on for over a week now. It is indeed sad when someone, Rainbow Prism, defends me from your misinterpretation of my post, and then you are rude to her: Oh!! so calling someone a liar, scheming and evil is a respectful way of criticizing someone is it? It amazes me when I hear people talk about how we should stop all the arguing and being disrespectful to each other, then we go on to judge and condemn others in the body of Christ. Who are you or anyone else to say BH is evil? Do you really think that we as Christians should be going around calling people like BH evil? It saddens me, the reality is so simple, if you don't like the man don't watch him. It really is that simple http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/scratch.gif
*sigh*

Apparently you are still deceived into believing BH is a decent evangelist, lo siento!

I mean no harm against other posters, but to see my grandmother be fooled as she has, yes I will publically claim this man is a tyrant who must be stopped. Now, I see his show every time I go to my gma's house, which is frequently since she is 85 and needs help doing things now and again, and she is rather like the widow who gave jesus her *penny* and had nothing. My grandmother gets along ok financially, I mean she doesnt have a car but she has sufficient amounts of food and clothing and can pay the rent, but with nothing to spare, yet faithfully she tithes and she also ships away $20 whenever she can to this man. I may be only 18, but I am not fooled by this deceptive serpant for a moment. He seeks to pilige those who are gullible, and FAITHFUL to believe that the Lord has blessed this Apu man with such divine gifts as healing and prophesy.

[rainbowprism]

This comes straight from http://www.letusreason.org/Pent39.htm

And what of blasphemy? The Pharisees called Jesus a blasphemer because he said he was equal with God. Many of Hinn's own previous statements of who he thinks he is can be construed as dangerously in the same category.

When you say, 'I am a Christian,' you are saying, 'I am mashiach,' in the Hebrew. I am a little messiah walking on earth, …You are a little god on earth running around" (Praise-a-Thon, TBN, November 6,'90) "Say after me: 'Within me is a God-Man.' … [Congregation repeats.] Now, let's say even better than that. Let's say, 'I AM A GOD-MAN.' …This spirit man within me is a God-Man. …Say 'I'm born- of- heaven- God-Man. I'm a God-Man. I'm a sample of Jesus. I'm a super being'" (Praise the Lord, TBN, Dec 6 1990). "Is he God? Are you His offspring? Are you His children? You can't be human! You can't! You can't! God didn't give birth to the flesh...(Our Position In Christ #2 - The Word Made Flesh" video tape #255, 1991) "Are you ready for some real revelation knowledge....you are god" (" Our Position In Christ", tape # AO31190-1)

"SO, I'M BENNY JEHOVAH!" (Spiritual Warfare Seminar, May 2 1990).

"We are 'little gods' and even part of God with all the power of God; and we are 'little messiahs,' everything that Jesus ever was." (The Berean Call, 1992 Media Spotlight Special Report, Feb 94)

I would suggest that everyone here check out this site. PLEASE!!


I prefer saying that I am a disciple of Christ. More so now if you are implying the correct interpretation of the Hebrew word....(I'm thinking it is highly suspect, but am going to check things out in the morning before I spout off).
There is no way, that i am going to liken myself to a little god....and the quote that we are 'everything Jesus was'---NOT TRUE! I am not sinless for starters, only our Lord Jesus was, and secondly to say you belive that you yourself can become a god sounds alot like Mormonism to me. This is just making my spidey sense go into overtime.....

[OddBeani]

Matt. 24:23-27 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, `There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, `Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Now how shall we interpret the above? Is Sr. Hinn not the false Christ that people flock to? Just as the woman outstrectched her arm to Jesus' robe, he stopped, turned and prayed. Hinn on the other hand, to my gma and millions of others who get nosebleed seats to see this..this abomination parade around onstage performing this 'miracles' which are staged and for money, and then my grandmother and others are tossed away for those with bigger "love offerings."

Yeah, false Christ all the way for Benny Hinn. He's a quackerjack. Still, I stick with the claim he is Apu, running his conveinent vendor place and selling a bunch of BS to people who shop it. Wow, good metaphor! :blush:

[Zoomer]

I am wary of him and I have the right to be. Jesus warned us to:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" Matthew 7:15-23

This is so that we may discern those who are from God and those who are not. The easiest way is to look at how a person lives his life. If it is a life that is God centered it would bear different fruit than a life that is money centered. I believe that if you look at the evidence of Benny Hinn and his ministry that his focus is not glorifying God but a lust for money.

This is an excerpt from a Dateline show done on him in December of 2002 which can be found in entirity here: http://www.rickross.com/reference/hinn/hinn20.html


Bob McKeown: "Is there any way to know how much Benny Hinn makes? Whether he's personally benefiting or not, and where the money goes?"

Paul Nelson: "There really isn't, and that's why an organization like ECFA has been formed."

Paul Nelson is president of ECFA, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. Billy Graham, Pat Robertson, and the Salvation Army are among its 1,000-plus members who voluntarily disclose to potential donors more financial information than the law requires.

"We believe that most people would like to know that the charities that they give to are governed responsibly, that they practice disclosure of their finances and other activities, they willingly answer questions, and that they raise funds with integrity," says Nelson.

Members release audited financial statements, including the salaries of their ministers.

Benny Hinn is not an ECFA member. He wouldn't tell us his annual salary, but five years ago he acknowledged it was then between $500,000 and $1 million a year.

And Hinn won't specify how his ministry's money is spent, except to say he doesn't personally benefit from any of it.

Benny Hinn: "Every dollar you give this morning is going to the work of the Lord." What Benny Hinn does tell his followers is that all their donations are spent on God's work - for example, the expenses of his TV show and crusades, the salaries of his staff, supporting churches and orphanages around the world......



Since February of 2001, the Hinn Web site has been soliciting donations for a new orphanage to be built in this little town outside Mexico City saying it would be finished "soon."

But when we checked in Mexico, more than a year-and-a-half later, we could find no sign of any construction. But the Hinn web site kept promising that construction would be finished in, "a few short months."

That was news to the local official in charge of construction in the town, who told us the Hinn ministry hadn't even been issued a building permit yet.

What we did find, however, was this sign - curiously not in Spanish, but English - attached to a house the ministry called it's 'temporary orphanage,' which appeared to be empty. The Hinn Web site continued to solicit donations.

And then there was pastor Benny's most ambitious project - his $25 million healing center to be built in Texas.

Benny Hinn: "And the Lord said to me to build a healing center that people can come to 24-hours a day, any day of the week to be prayed for and get healed."

That was Benny Hinn raising funds for the project in 1999, but this was Benny Hinn on a Christian telethon a year later: "Many of our wonderful friends have called and said, 'What's with the healing center?' and basically what the Lord has said to me is to wait for his voice."

Hinn announced that God had told him to postpone construction, so he said he was going to spend that money on other things.....



Benny Hinn: "The greatest thing you can do for your finances is to give to the work of God."

On TV, and at his crusades, Hinn promises that not only will God improve your health, but your financial life as well - perhaps by getting you out of debt with an unexpected financial windfall. But first, you have to give money to his ministry. Hinn calls it "sowing the seed." Benny Hinn: "Amen. So expect a financial harvest but you have to sow a seed to see it happen... you may want to call your seed in today. Our 800 number is on the screen."

[Duggie]

[QUOTE=OddBeani]You grossly misinterpreted by first paragraph in the post you accused me of being a hippocrite in. I meant that WE, people of CF, should be able to come to CF, speak our minds and not be afraid of others judging us and saying rude things. You know, what is even far more sad is that you accused me of such treachery in this forum, where a debate, UNRELATED AS TO ODDBEANI, has been going on for over a week now. It is indeed sad when someone, Rainbow Prism, defends me from your misinterpretation of my post, and then you are rude to her:
*sigh* Let me tell you what's sad, you obviously haven't read my post correctly and subsequently your ignorance has blinded you to what I actually said. If you care to actually read what I said you would see that I was making an overall statement and furthermore I was addressing oldrooster.



Apparently you are still deceived into believing BH is a decent evangelist, lo siento!
:sleep: As I have already stated in my thread I don't watch BH and I have many concerns regarding his teaching. Before you or rainbowprism aim your anger at me please read what I said. It really helps if you first know your facts before attacking me. I have no problem with people articulating their concerns regarding BH teachings or claims. I just happen to think that personal attacks on the man, eg. evil, is unnecessary. The fact that your offended that I am suggesting that we should refrain from calling certain people evil speaks volumes about you. I tell you what, try using factual, credible and intelligent material to expose BH instead of cheap names and a judgemental attitude :sigh:

[Duggie]

Oh yeah and a another thing, if your going to bring it to me please make sure you read my thread correctly!!!

[zoomie71]

Benny Hinn: "And the Lord said to me to build a healing center that people can come to 24-hours a day, any day of the week to be prayed for and get healed."

That was Benny Hinn raising funds for the project in 1999, but this was Benny Hinn on a Christian telethon a year later: "Many of our wonderful friends have called and said, 'What's with the healing center?' and basically what the Lord has said to me is to wait for his voice."

Hinn announced that God had told him to postpone construction, so he said he was going to spend that money on other things.....

Benny Hinn: "The greatest thing you can do for your finances is to give to the work of God."

On TV, and at his crusades, Hinn promises that not only will God improve your health, but your financial life as well - perhaps by getting you out of debt with an unexpected financial windfall. But first, you have to give money to his ministry. Hinn calls it "sowing the seed." Benny Hinn: "Amen. So expect a financial harvest but you have to sow a seed to see it happen... you may want to call your seed in today. Our 800 number is on the screen."

One of the significant problems with Hinn's approach is that it may very well violate IRS laws related to charitable giving. As I understand it, if someone designates a gift to a particular project (like the so-called 'Healing Center') then it MUST be applied to that project within a reasonable amount of time. Lacking that, the receiving ministry has two choices: get permission from the donor to put the gift to other purposes (I think this is required to be in writing), or to return the money. If Hinn decided to "spend the money on other things" and did not take these steps, there's a real potential for a problem with the government.

Regards,

Zoomie :cool:

[OddBeani]

http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/sleep.gif As I have already stated in my thread I don't watch BH and I have many concerns regarding his teaching. Before you or rainbowprism aim your anger at me please read what I said. It really helps if you first know your facts before attacking me. I have no problem with people articulating their concerns regarding BH teachings or claims. I just happen to think that personal attacks on the man, eg. evil, is unnecessary. The fact that your offended that I am suggesting that we should refrain from calling certain people evil speaks volumes about you. I tell you what, try using factual, credible and intelligent material to expose BH instead of cheap names and a judgemental attitude http://christianforums.com/images/smilies/sigh.gif
You call me ignorant yet fail to provide evidence. I know that you were also speaking against OldRooster and that in itself is bad. I do have evidence, personal experience with that deceptive imbecile as to why he is such. I would greatly appreciate you to keep your innane comments away from CF in the furture if it regards another member. Thanks.

[Father Rick]

:pray: Prayer Break!!!:pray:

Guys... everyone needs to take a breather here....

Whether BH is from God, or if he is the devil incarnate.... Let's remember to be Christ-like to one another. Defending truth, on either side, to the point that your actions are rude and insulting is definitely not what Scripture teaches. Remember the whole 'turn the other cheek' thing.

This is not pointed at anyone in particular, but reading this thru this thread is giving me a headache at this point.

Thanks!

[Duggie]

[OddBeani]You call me ignorant yet fail to provide evidence. I know that you were also speaking against OldRooster and that in itself is bad. I do have evidence, personal experience with that deceptive imbecile as to why he is such. I would greatly appreciate you to keep your innane comments away from CF in the furture if it regards another member. Thanks.
Innane? don't use words you can't spell. Let me just end by saying this: You have the audacity to not only label my comments inane but you then go on to once again, your so predictable, personally attack BH by calling him a deceptive imbecile. Your rudeness, ignorance and attitude are breathtaking. You then, incorrectly, go on to suggest that when I was addressing oldrooster I was somehow personally attacking him. You obviously failed to take my advice when I suggested you read my posts carefully before you bring it to me. I'm almost ashamed of myself for replying to your weak arguments and petty insults. As a man of God I have to say it really saddens me when people like you judge others and resort to childish and utterly pathetic name calling. For me this has never been about defending BH, it's about making a mere suggestion that calling someone evil is not needed and is certainly not beneficial to this debate. The simple fact of the matter is, you got offended by my intervention, which in itself is sad, and as a result you and I are in strong disagreement. Understand something, I have no problem debating the facts regarding BH, I have no problem reading credible material exposing flaws or error in his teaching. What I have a problem with is people like you who feel they have the God-given right to judge someone unfairly in a public forum such as this.
Please don't try to make out or suggest that I am personally attacking others and that your their advocate trying to defend them. I don't have a problem with others, my problem is with you. I feel you have overstepped the mark in some of the things you have said. It's that simple, perhaps you would be wise to take your own advice and keep your inane comments to yourself. Thanks!!!

[Duggie]

[Father Rick]:pray: Prayer Break!!!:pray:

Guys... everyone needs to take a breather here....

Whether BH is from God, or if he is the devil incarnate.... Let's remember to be Christ-like to one another. Defending truth, on either side, to the point that your actions are rude and insulting is definitely not what Scripture teaches. Remember the whole 'turn the other cheek' thing.

This is not pointed at anyone in particular, but reading this thru this thread is giving me a headache at this point.

Thanks!
I am merely responding to what I consider unfair and unjustified attacks on BH character. The fact that we can use this forum to spread hateful attacks on people is wrong. I am not going to apologise for taking the stance I did. Perhaps I could have articulated it better, I do not wish to cause offence to anyone. I am just expressing my personal opinion as others have clearly done. Thank you.

[Celticflower]

On the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus himself talked with Moses and Elijah. Was Jesus also a necromancer?



Did Elijah die? The Bible says he "went up to heaven in a whirlwind" (2King 2:11). Never really says he died.

Celtie

[Father Rick]

Did Elijah die? The Bible says he "went up to heaven in a whirlwind" (2King 2:11). Never really says he died.

Celtie Scripture doesn't say about Elijah, but it does say that God Himself buried Moses after he died...

[FoundInGrace]

Although I have my reservations about Benny Hinn he is still a person and if indeed he is teaching the wrong things he needs our prayer.
Perhaps God has a plan for his life too and one day he will see the people he has hurt - maybe unintentionally too, we just don't know, because if he is deceiving people he may be deceived himself and so again needs our prayer.
It must be difficult to be so charismatic - people follow, often without question, which brings great responsiblity but also great temptation.
God loves Benny Hinn, whichever side of the fence we sit on we should pray for him.