Replacement Theology!!??

[Bon]

I was reading a post from JewishHeart in "Dispensationalism" tread.

It was very enlightening, thank you JewishHeart.

However, I do not understand what YOU understand as replacement theology.

It has come up a few times since I have joined this forum and I was even told that I (shock horror) was a replacement theologist. I had no idea.

I am a Messianic believer and keep the laws of Yahweh. I beliveve that I am grafted into Israel, being a Gentile. Now I am an heir to the promise made to Abraham.

Now it is time to find out why you think I am and what you other Messianic believers...believe.

JewishHeart, who are the Covenant theologists you mentioned in your post?

Thanks guys, I am sooooo trying to get a handle on all of this.

Shalom from Bon

[CharlesYTK]

I was reading a post from JewishHeart in "Dispensationalism" tread.

It was very enlightening, thank you JewishHeart.

However, I do not understand what YOU understand as replacement theology.

It has come up a few times since I have joined this forum and I was even told that I (shock horror) was a replacement theologist. I had no idea.

I am a Messianic believer and keep the laws of Yahweh. I beliveve that I am grafted into Israel, being a Gentile. Now I am an heir to the promise made to Abraham.

Now it is time to find out why you think I am and what you other Messianic believers...believe.

JewishHeart, who are the Covenant theologists you mentioned in your post?

Thanks guys, I am sooooo trying to get a handle on all of this.

Shalom from Bon
Hi Bon,

Even aswering this question can get you into trouble here, and I think that is in part why no one has answered your question. (However I suspect you have gotten some PM's in response) ;)

The most offensive form of replacement theology is where the Church says that God is through with the Jewish people, (because they rejected Messiah) and so he has now turned to the Gentiles to replace Israel in all the promises and covenants he made with Israel. God suddenly revokes his pomises, goes back on his word, changes his mind, puts an end to Torah and all things Jewish and starts fresh with Gentile Christians as the chosen people. This is a very common teaching in the Christian church (believe it or not) and it is a lie from Hell. It spawns every sort of antisimitism, and hatred of Jews, Judaism, and Gods word.

There are some here who would consider you claiming to be Messianic, while not being born Jew, or married to a Jew, as replacement Theology. There is very little tollerance with some for the idea that the Gentiles are called to repent and to be part of this Israel of the Apostolic Judaism which is founded in Messiah and taught by the apostles. Some believe that Paul really didn't have a ministry to include the Gentles into the faith, but that he really was reaching out only to the lost northern tribes of the Diaspora.

So what replacement theology IS and what others might perceive it to be, varies quite a bit. It depends on how you divide the scriptures; By ethnicity, by covenant, by dispensations, ect.ect.

I think we need to go back to basics. There is really one God, not three. There is one race of men, Human. There is one people of God, those whom he has saved. There is one law and ordinance or all, Gods Torah. There will be one kingdom in the end, that of God on Earth, the Messianic Kingdom. Until we get to that place and time men are going to fight about who is saved and who isn't who is included in Gods plan and who isn't who should have rights and responsibilities toward Gods Law, and who doesn't, what belongs to the Jews only by covenant, and whether or not others are brought in and when, in Gods plan to save and redeem all of creation and all men.

Shalom,

Charles

[Judephraim]

Hi Bon,

Even aswering this question can get you into trouble here, and I think that is in part why no one has answered your question. (However I suspect you have gotten some PM's in response) ;)



Charles r

[JewishHeart]

I believe replacement theology is basically a Gentile believer trying to usurp a Jewish believers calling. I believe that the apostolic oversight of the kehilla (church) is supposed to be Jewish (just like the head of woman is man spiritually). I am a Gentile believer and welcome the Jewish believers back into the main leadership of the church. I have a calling and a destiny as well, and it is high in that if I am obedient to it -this is what pleases G-d. G-d has called me to be a prophetic voice to the Jewish believers pushing and training them into their calling as leaders. One day all the nations will grab the garment of one Jew and say, "let us know your G-d." The apostolic oversight of the NT church began with Jewish believers and this is the order of G-d. I do believe, however, as a messianic Gentile that Torah is important for a Jewish believer to fulfill the calling of G-d and for the Gentile believer to know the ways of G-d. There is a plethora of themes in the Torah, some to the Jews, some to the Gentiles, some to all. All in all, it is most important to know Messiah Yeshua. This is where messianic Judaism relates more to the church than to the relegious Jew. Although most of the Gentile church does not understand the ways of G-d, they know His Messiah - which is most imporant. The relegious Jews understand the ways of G-d, but miss the Messiah (like Korah's rebellion). In all, our identity is not in the church or the relegious Jewish world; but rather in Messiah Yeshua. All believers , Messianic Jew and Christian Zionist or Hebrew Christian and Messianic Gentile, need to know Messiah Yeshua personally and be obedient to His voice. His blood is what the Father sees, even more than Torah. We are all part of the body of believers, the Jewish believers functioning as the hand, and the Gentile believers as the feet; but all one body.