Help! Passover details please

[Bon]

I am a little confussed about the details of Passover.

Days are from sunset to sunset, so is passover celebrated on the evening of the 14th Nisan/Abib after the sunsets from the 13th day or do we prepare the meal on the afternoon of the 14th, in preparation for the evening meal at sunset, begining the new day of the 15th?

I am confused about this because of an article I read (I cant name the site....YET...too new! :cry: )
It says that Yahshua ate a meal with His disciples on the evening of the 14th and was killed at the same time as the passover lambs...around 3pm on the 14th. The lambs were then prepared for eating at sundown...beginning the 15th.

right or wrong?????

If right, then what does I Corinthians 11:23-26 mean. Do this in rememberance of me...drink wine and eat bread...

Now this is the passage that christians use to claim that "communion, lord's supper, eucharist"...(whatever they choose to call it) now renders Passover obsolete.

Is this passage in I Corinthians talking of a meal other than the Passover, (the one He took with His disciples just before He died) or is it the actual Passover and is this article totally off the truth.

I know that there are many differing ideas of dates and evenings for Passover, but there must only be ONE time for Passover that Yahweh intended for us.

I suppose that this has been discussed many times in the past, but I'm new here and need a helping hand. :help:

With Thanks from Bon

[Henaynei]

Attached is a representation of the events and timetable of Yeshua's sacrifice.....

[CharlesYTK]

During the second temple period, there was disagrement between the ruling priesthood of Hasmaneans, (who were installed illigitimately by Antiochus Epiphanes), and the true preisthood (which he removed), the Zadokites. The Zadokites became known as the Essenes, (mostly) and maintained thir loyalty to the Davidic line and the covenant between the them. These two groups Zadokites and Hasmoneans conflicted on the day of passover but did agree on the time of day of the sacrifice 3 PM (Between the evenings) So during the days of Yeshua there were two passovers recognized, one on the 14th and one on the 15th. The temple sacrifice was on the 15th. The zadokites sacrificed their lambs on the 14th and had their seder on that evening (Each man to kill a lamb for his houshold). This was the seder that Yeshua had with his disciples. We can see evidence that this seder took place in the essene quater and was prepared in advance for the Lord by the Essenes. Then Yeshua was killed by the temple piesthood on the 15th fulfilling the recognised Temple sacrifice.

Hope ths is helpful

[Sephania]

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteeth day of the first month at even is the L-RD'S passover.

23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the L-RD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread.

Notice it doesn't say it is the feast of regarding the Passover? It says

....."the 14th day of the 1st month at evening IS the L-RDS Passover."

[Sephania]

Had the Talmidim waited to have Pasache on the 15th they would not have been able until the following month on the fourteenth day. Numbers:9

[Sephania]

The children of Israel did not leave Egypt the next morning as many think following the Passover, but instead left at night, at sundown or the following morning. Num 33:3

[By Grace]

I am a little confussed about the details of Passover.

I am confused about this because of an article I read (I cant name the site....YET...too new! :cry: )
Hi, Bon

I'm pretty new, too, so I'm learning from your questions as well.

I think Charles helped to clarify why there were two meals; I haven't seen anyone correct him on that point. Does it make sense to you?

If right, then what does I Corinthians 11:23-26 mean. Do this in rememberance of me...drink wine and eat bread...

Now this is the passage that christians use to claim that "communion, lord's supper, eucharist"...(whatever they choose to call it) now renders Passover obsolete.
From what I've gathered, the original Last Supper was in the context of the Passover seder. I haven't studied the details of the seder yet, but from what I can tell, there is significance in which cup Y'shua was referring to, since apparently they partake of more than one cup of wine during this seder. Can anyone give me more details on this?

Also, it seems that most Messianics believe that the Lord's Supper was to be done in the future within the context of the Passover, too, and not the way we think of it today. However, many Messianics (though not all) don't have a problem with believers "remembering" Y'shua more often if they want to, even every day, with the bread and the cup, so long as they use unleavened bread and kosher fruit of the vine (whether wine or grape juice) and do it with the appropriate amount of reverence. Someone please correct me on this if I'm wrong, because I'm still studying it!

Here's a good website I read yesterday:
http://www.torahresource.com/English%20Articles/Lords%20Table%20complete.pdf

Let me know if that link doesn't work.

I'm looking forward to learning more, right along with you!

[CharlesYTK]

Yes Yeshua did not institute a new ritual refered to as the communion. He was refering to himsel in reference to being the Affikomen, of the Passover seder and as the cup of sanctification. These are very specific symbols within the seder, and are prophetic of Messiah. Yeshua identifies himself with these and instructs his followers to remember hat they represent him, and that they are to remember him each year as they observe the passover. And this is what the followers did until the Jewish believers are driven out of the picture by Rome. Later the church reinterpreted these things outside of their Hebrew context, and came up with communion. Part of the reason for this was the exhaulting of the piesthood. For only they could perform this magical transsubstantiation, Of turning the bread and wine into the "literal" flesh and blood of Yeshua (by their understanding) and making this a sacred ordinance, then the priest has control over peoples lives and their eternal salvation. (as they practiced it)

In the apostolic writings it speaks of the breaking of bread together and that has now been redefined to be a referene to the communion, however this is also an error as this was a reference actually to table fellowship and not a sacriment.

[Yasatora]

Even the historian Epiphanius (who opposed the Quartodecimens) admitted that the Quartodecimen view was the original view when the Messianic Jews were still in Jerusalem (until 132-135 CE) stating, "it was necessary at that time that the whole world follow them [the Messianic Jews] and celebrate with them so that there should be a single confession . . . celebrating one festival [of Passover]." _ Epiphanius, Pan., 70:10:2

[CharlesYTK]

Wonderful bit of history. Thanks for sharing it.

The observance of Passover coninued throughout the Messianic Jewsand those attahed to it, even later as we see in the 4th century a need by the Roman church to establish laws against the observance of passover and the Sabbath. This would not have been necessary had there not been people still observing them.

Many changes did not take place until after constantine and the Council of Nice that followed. By that time Roman Christianity had taken a dominant position and had the support and backing of the political empire of Rome. So from about 325 on, the practices of Apostolic Judaism (That which many of us practice today) was carried on in private or hidden fellowships, meeting in homes and such. But it has always continued like a preserved seed, a cashe of truth in a jungle of false doctrine and ritual rooted in the former practices of Romans of prechistian influence.

Charles