Sexual immorality

[Servant of the Kingdom]

Is sexual immorality defined in MJ like in Catholicism? Specific examples: masturbation and homosexual relations are considered immoral in Catholicism.

[Yasatora]

Absolutely!!!! Abusing God's purpose for his creation or God's creation itself especially the image of God which we are, in any form is not looked on favorably.

[Katydid]

Can someone please show me the verse where masturbation is a sin? I keep hearing it and yet have never seen where it is. I have looked and cannot find one that says that masturbation is a sin. As far as homosexuality, YES, it is wrong.

[Ahriman]

Onan's sin was in his act of disobedience not "masturbation"

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I always thought masturbation was not a sin, but rather something that was frowned upon. I never heard anyone actually say it was in the bible saying it was wrong. Are there any verses admiting to this? Or is it some type of mis-interpretation?

[insaneinthebrain]

http://jewfaq.org/sex.htm
This should answer most questions. ;)

[Yasatora]

http://jewfaq.org/sex.htm
This should answer most questions. ;)
I think that was one of the best presentation on the subject of sex that I have read in a long time. Thanks for presenting it.

[CharlesYTK]

Onan's sin was not masturbation. It was refusing to raise up heirs to his kin, and being responsible toward the widow.

[PetraFan007]

I think it's a sin if you lust after a woman while doing it. If you can pull it off without lusting...more power to you...that's just one of those things that's like...when Paul says some things are permissable...or whatever...as far as I know. It makes sense because it's a gray area.

[Nossa-the-Lame]

I just read the verse with Onan in it, and what everyone has said is right, he was punished for not upholdin his duties as a brothr in law, not just because he was masterbating. Are there any more verses or was that it?

[Netzari5730]

Can someone please show me the verse where masturbation is a sin? I keep hearing it and yet have never seen where it is. I have looked and cannot find one that says that masturbation is a sin. As far as homosexuality, YES, it is wrong.
Yeshua said, "If you look upon a woman with lust you have committed adultery already in your heart."

Sorry if this becomes somewhat graphic, but when one masturbates I am sure they aren't thinking of a baseball game, but rather sexual situations. And as such they are committing the sin in their heart.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

[Netzari5730]

I think it's a sin if you lust after a woman while doing it. If you can pull it off without lusting...more power to you...
ROFL

[Servant of the Kingdom]

K, thanks :)

[Katydid]

Netzari, my husband is in the military, and is has been deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, now If he lusted after a woman while doing this, he lusted after ME!!! I don't think that this is a sin, he is allowed to lust after his wife isn't he??

[Bon]

http://jewfaq.org/sex.htm
This should answer most questions. ;)

A very interesting site. Thank you.

By the way, how can someone have so many blessing and so little postings?

You must be very well loved in these parts! :)

With thanks...Bon

[Henaynei]

Netzari, my husband is in the military, and is has been deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, now If he lusted after a woman while doing this, he lusted after ME!!! I don't think that this is a sin, he is allowed to lust after his wife isn't he?? To lust is to covet self-gratification ("I *gotta* do this, I *need* this, I can't help myself") - lust is never part of true love - but is actually anti-thetical to the kind of love that a married person is to have toward their partner - to desire to share their body in mutal enjoyment with them is one thing, but to lust is totally me centered and as such is sin even in a marriage.

[insaneinthebrain]

By the way, how can someone have so many blessing and so little postings?

You must be very well loved in these parts! :)

With thanks...Bon
There are more ways to get blessings than by posting. Now go buy a signature or something! ;) :D

[ShirChadash]

To lust is to covet self-gratification ("I *gotta* do this, I *need* this, I can't help myself") - lust is never part of true love - but is actually anti-thetical to the kind of love that a married person is to have toward their partner - to desire to share their body in mutal enjoyment with them is one thing, but to lust is totally me centered and as such is sin even in a marriage.
Well said, Henny.

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[Netzari5730]

Netzari, my husband is in the military, and is has been deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq, now if he lusted after a woman while doing this, he lusted after ME!!! I don't think that this is a sin, he is allowed to lust after his wife isn't he??Katy, I am not going to speculate about your husband, but I most sincerely pray for him and his work overseas. May God richly bless you and your husband, as well as the other families who are involved in this terrible war.

My significant other and I were actually talking about this spousal thing yesterday, whether it is actually wrong or not to lust after one's spouse, and if such an act would be considered sin if it is one's spouse who is thought of. We actually didn't come to any solid conclusions. I know that I do lust after my life partner. The appreciation of her beauty, the way she walks, the way she smiles with that sideways glance, and the glistening of her blues eyes, the shape and form of her body and softness of skin, all these cause me to yearn to tightly hold her. And these merely pertain to the physical attributes which will eventually fade, so I will appreciate their splendour as much as I can. Is this wrong? No. it isn't, as it is written:

Proverbs 5
18 Let thy fountain be blessed: and rejoice with the wife of thy youth.
19 Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love.

To lust is to covet self-gratification ("I *gotta* do this, I *need* this, I can't help myself") - lust is never part of true love - but is actually anti-thetical to the kind of love that a married person is to have toward their partner - to desire to share their body in mutal enjoyment with them is one thing, but to lust is totally me centered and as such is sin even in a marriage.Lust which can actually be seen as "Passionate Desire" is a somewhat difficult thing to pinpoint, but I know this much: that it isn't just coveting. Scripture tells us that we are to find pleasure in, or rather, "Be ravished" by our spouse (Proverbs 5:15-19). The Hebrew for this pertains to Lust, "This'geh", which pertains to reckless abandonment, to reel in passion, to be enraptured, intoxicated by desire, and this is from a self-centered standpoint - "be thou ravished".

As a point of view, Lust pertains to physical attraction. We never completely Love another until we know another. When one first meets their spouse, were they not physically attracted to them? Granted there are the rare cases of people who have known each other for years without any physical attraction who end up falling in love with one another for other purposes. But I am speaking of the majority. We are all physically attracted to our mates before we know them. This attraction IS a part of Lust, it is a desire, a lust to be with that person, even if we don't KNOW them.

In Yeshua...
Netzari5730

[Henaynei]

the difference is in the kavannah - desiring one's spouse to *share* is one thing, and a gift from HaShem - coveting for one's own gratification is another.... and is sin. Mastrubation is pure and simple self-gratification - the physical response to unfettered lusting and is sin.....

[Netzari5730]

the difference is in the kavannah - desiring one's spouse to *share* is one thing, and a gift from HaShem - coveting for one's own gratification is another.... and is sin. Mastrubation is pure and simple self-gratification - the physical response to unfettered lusting and is sin.....I agree with the kavvanah, however, the marriage bed may still be self gratification, though for both parties. The joining together of the husband and wife is for the purpose of procreativity. The very first Mitz'vah of the Torah is "Be fruitful and multiply". If you are using birth control, you are breaking this commandment. Therefore, when birth control is used, it makes the act nothing more than the self gratification of the parties involved and a form of masturbation. To reach orgasm (which is the purpose of masturbation) is for them more important than the creation of new life (which is the purpose of the Mitz'vah).

in Yeshua...
Netzari5730

[Bon]

There are more ways to get blessings than by posting. Now go buy a signature or something! ;) :D

I did!...and I did...look up! and look down! :D

[Henaynei]

I agree with the kavvanah, however, the marriage bed may still be self gratification, though for both parties. The joining together of the husband and wife is for the purpose of procreativity. The very first Mitz'vah of the Torah is "Be fruitful and multiply". If you are using birth control, you are breaking this commandment. Therefore, when birth control is used, it makes the act nothing more than the self gratification of the parties involved and a form of masturbation. To reach orgasm (which is the purpose of masturbation) is for them more important than the creation of new life (which is the purpose of the Mitz'vah).

in Yeshua...
Netzari5730 True - even the marriage bed can be a place of lust - and as such it is also the bed of the death of a marriage - those who seek self-gratification in the bedchamber also seek it without -- and have not mastered the sacrifice that IS love, neither have they discovered that the most intenst pleasure is gained when both partners give unreservedly in sacrifice to serve the other - THIS is HaShem's instruction to wedded couples... :)