Trumpets - Shofar

[Yasatora]

Can anyone tell me when they use trumpets and when they use the shofar?

[mjterry87]

Shabbat.

[debi b]

SILVER TRUMPETS
Num 10
2 Make two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shall you make them; that you may use them for calling the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble to you at the door of the Tent of Meeting.
4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are chiefs of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves to you.
5 When you blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
6 When you blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey; they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.
7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, you shall blow, but you shall not sound an alarm.
8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance forever throughout your generations.
9 And if you go to war in your land against an enemy who oppresses you, then you shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and you shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and you shall be saved from your enemies.
10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, you shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God; I am the Lord your God.


SHOFAR
Lev 25
8 Then shall you cause the shofar to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the Day of Atonement shall you sound the shofar throughout all your land.


SILVER TRUMPETS AND SHOFAR
2 Chron. 15
14 And they swore to the Lord with a loud voice, and with shouting, and with (silver) trumpets, and with shofarot.

There are many uses for the shofar and the references are too numerous to list. People used the shofar and the priests used the trumpets. Depending on what translation you are using it can be difficult to distinguish between the two as shofar is often translated as trumpet.

Was there something specific you were looking for?

[Sephania]

Shofar-- Day of Atonement---- Isaac----- Ram----Passover-----unblemished lamb-----------Yeshua------Lamb of G-d-------The Revelation of Yochanon, ----- heard a voice like a trumpet saying-----------the voice of the Shofar sounded louder and louder-----------the trumpet of jubilee (setting free the captives) on the day of atonement---sounded throughout all Israel-------in this 50th year, every man shall be returned to his family-----------:)

[Sephania]

Also when they conquered Jericho, seven Levites with shofars went ahead of the Ark of the covenant , each man that was armed was instructed by Joshua to pass by the ark and the seven priests. Also the seven priests blew the seven shofars ahead of the ark. I see this as "clearing the air" of all unseen things and making it holy for the L-rd. Quite an interesting study to make on this incident alone.

Makes one wonder if seven Cohanim Tzadiks surrounded the Dome of the Rock, what would happen? :)

[Yasatora]

Ok, if I am understanding this correctly, the shofar is blown for the feasts of God, for the sabbath, jubilee, and for Holy War. Does that mean everything else is for the trumpet, like the trumpets that call for assembly, for moving the camp in other words for the more secular movements.

Is the shofar the ram's horn?

[Yasatora]

In all the verses that use that trumpet transliterated from Yowbel it was in

relationship to the Jubilee, except for Joshua and the Battle of Jericho. Now it may be that Joshua and the Battle of Jericho did fall on the year of the Jubilee.

Definition

ram, ram's horn, trumpet, cornet

ram (only in combination)

ram's horn, trumpet

jubilee year (marked by the blowing of cornets) (meton)
Strong's # 03104 original word ibwy apparently from (02986) transliterated "Yowbel"

[Sephania]

Did you read the post on Shofar here? http://www.christianforums.com/t692666

Also the word Shofar is spelled (reading this left to right) shin vav fay resh.

[debi b]

I didn't bring that up because I didn't want to confuse you - sorry.

yoveil (yowbel) is a noun and it means cry of joy, blast of a trumpet, and is also translated as jubilee.

In Joshua 6:6 (Corin Translation)
6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said to them, Take the Ark of the Covenant, and let seven priests carry seven shofarot of rams' horns before the Ark of the Lord.

In this phrase "seven shofarot of rams' horns" the Hebrew is "shofarot yov'lim".
The "ot" and "im" endings are just plurals.

I don't think the battle of Jericho happened in the 50th (or Jubilee) year because of this verse.

Joshua 5:12
12 And the manna ceased on the next day after they had eaten of the old grain of the land; nor had the people of Israel manna any more; but they ate of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

Between chapters 5 and 6 I don't see an indication of a major time shift.

Anyway, a quick look and I would say that most of the times the word yoveil is used it is referring to things surrounding the year of Jubilee and Jericho.

[Yasatora]

SILVER TRUMPETS
Num 10
2 Make two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shall you make them; that you may use them for calling the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps.
3 And when they shall blow with them, all the assembly shall assemble to you at the door of the Tent of Meeting.
4 And if they blow but with one trumpet, then the princes, which are chiefs of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves to you.
5 When you blow an alarm, then the camps that lie on the east parts shall go forward.
6 When you blow an alarm the second time, then the camps that lie on the south side shall take their journey; they shall blow an alarm for their journeys.
7 But when the congregation is to be gathered together, you shall blow, but you shall not sound an alarm.
8 And the sons of Aaron, the priests, shall blow with the trumpets; and they shall be to you for an ordinance forever throughout your generations.
9 And if you go to war in your land against an enemy who oppresses you, then you shall blow an alarm with the trumpets; and you shall be remembered before the Lord your God, and you shall be saved from your enemies.
10 Also in the day of your gladness, and in your solemn days, and in the beginnings of your months, you shall blow with the trumpets over your burnt offerings, and over the sacrifices of your peace offerings; that they may be to you for a memorial before your God; I am the Lord your God.


SHOFAR
Lev 25
8 Then shall you cause the shofar to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the Day of Atonement shall you sound the shofar throughout all your land.


SILVER TRUMPETS AND SHOFAR
2 Chron. 15
14 And they swore to the Lord with a loud voice, and with shouting, and with (silver) trumpets, and with shofarot.

There are many uses for the shofar and the references are too numerous to list. People used the shofar and the priests used the trumpets. Depending on what translation you are using it can be difficult to distinguish between the two as shofar is often translated as trumpet.

Was there something specific you were looking for?
specifically what is the difference between the yowbel and shofar?

[Yasatora]

I didn't bring that up because I didn't want to confuse you - sorry.

yoveil (yowbel) is a noun and it means cry of joy, blast of a trumpet, and is also translated as jubilee.

In Joshua 6:6 (Corin Translation)
6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said to them, Take the Ark of the Covenant, and let seven priests carry seven shofarot of rams' horns before the Ark of the Lord.

In this phrase "seven shofarot of rams' horns" the Hebrew is "shofarot yov'lim".
The "ot" and "im" endings are just plurals.

I don't think the battle of Jericho happened in the 50th (or Jubilee) year because of this verse.

Joshua 5:12
12 And the manna ceased on the next day after they had eaten of the old grain of the land; nor had the people of Israel manna any more; but they ate of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

Between chapters 5 and 6 I don't see an indication of a major time shift.

Anyway, a quick look and I would say that most of the times the word yoveil is used it is referring to things surrounding the year of Jubilee and Jericho.
What relationship does the manna ceasing cause you to think that it was not the jubilee...since they did eat of the fruit of the land that year?

[debi b]

Shofar is a ram's horn. Sometimes yoveil is referring to the sound it makes. There are other words that are sometimes translated as "trumpet", and it is referring to the sound it makes.

Such is the world of translation :P

[debi b]

What relationship does the manna ceasing cause you to think that it was not the jubilee...since they did eat of the fruit of the land that year?

Because the "year of Jubilee" is the 50th year, and the manna ceased the first year they were in the land.

[debi b]

Makes one wonder if seven Cohanim Tzadiks surrounded the Dome of the Rock, what would happen? :)

:clap: :priest: :clap:

[Yasatora]

Also when they conquered Jericho, seven Levites with shofars went ahead of the Ark of the covenant , each man that was armed was instructed by Joshua to pass by the ark and the seven priests. Also the seven priests blew the seven shofars ahead of the ark. I see this as "clearing the air" of all unseen things and making it holy for the L-rd. Quite an interesting study to make on this incident alone.

Makes one wonder if seven Cohanim Tzadiks surrounded the Dome of the Rock, what would happen? :)
It would be interesting to see if surrounding the Dome with seven "Melchideks"(since we are of the new covenant thinking), but then they would not need to....so maybe you are right it would be Cohanim Tzadiks. But where is the ark of the covenant to carry?

Back to the clearing the air,.....I like the concept.... since it probably the sound of the shofar blowing brings the minds of the people to God. Prepares their minds for the message.

[Yasatora]

Shofar is a ram's horn. Sometimes yoveil is referring to the sound it makes. There are other words that are sometimes translated as "trumpet", and it is referring to the sound it makes.

Such is the world of translation :P
Now that is an interesting take on the difference between when the scripture talks about the shofar and other places it talks about yowbel.

[Henaynei]

:clap: :priest: :clap: ;) LOL - nothing good *unless* HaShem had told them to do it ;)

[Sephania]

LOL - nothing good *unless* HaShem had told them to do it

But of course! :)

That is the thing about the shofar, I have determined, and others haven't noticed but HaSHem made me a sensitive sort, that when the shofar is just blown, it is noise, If you have ever heard someone practicing this or just blowing it to blow it you may know what I mean. However on Rosh Hoshannah or at other times I have heard someone blow the shofar, and it was done of commandment in Torah ( RH) or direct for that moment by the Ruach HaKodesh, it is a completely different sound. It can make you cry, it can make you feel weak in the knees, you can feel the waves of the sound flow through you but not hurt you like other sound waves you could feel.

In Exodus it is described as the voice of HaShem, and I believe this is something he uses to communicate with us, even now in these last days.

Jericho was a combined effort if you will, the Israelites were instructed to march in a certain pattern for a certain number of days and to blow the shofar at a certain time ( also the people shouted too) and by doing this showed their trust and obedience to HaShem and faith that He would ( even in this odd way) protect them and gain the victory for them.

Remember what is blown through the horn of the ram is the Ruach, the wind within us and if the Ruach HaKodesh is in us, he too can flow out through the horn and speak mighty things. This was that which made all things come into being, the breath of G-d, He spoke and it happened. :)