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Bon
3rd August 2004, 12:16 AM
Can someone please tell me in reasonable detail (but not too complex please)
how is Yahshua related to Yahweh. (I already know that He is the Son of Yahweh etc.)

I have been told that (Yahshua is HaShem) on this forum. I understand 'HaShem' to mean 'the Name'? So was I being told that Yahshua is Yahweh?

If so please explain all of this.

I know it sounds like a dumb ask, but I have never really understood it and have been given so many differing beliefs that I don't know up from down on the matter.

With thanks from Bon

Lady-Rose
3rd August 2004, 07:32 AM
Hello there
I too am looking into this.
I would be aware of the difinition of "the Name" it is a
New Age thing. You don't want the name .. but a name.
This is now in new age Bibles.
Any one can come "in his name or the Name"
The deceiver will come by... the name of ...the one
or the Christ.. Christ is not a name but a title only
You must have "in the name of yeshua" or in the name of Yahweh. or inthe name of ..Jesus Christ or
Jesus Christ the Lord.

I am looking into the trinity. I have been a Christian But I keep the Sabbath and want to learn more about Messianic Judaism, as I am becomming more this way
This is why I joined here I am new
Lady Rose

WildCelt
3rd August 2004, 08:56 AM
Um, HaShem is 100% NOT a New Age thing. HaShem simply means "The Name" in Hebrew. It is written in place of YHVH (Yahweh) out of respect. This is the same reason why many write G-d instead of God.

So, to answer the OP, yes, to say Yeshua is HaShem is to say Jesus is Yahweh. As far as the explanation...you may want to search this forum. That topic has been discussed ad nauseam.

Sephania
3rd August 2004, 01:29 PM
One can never fully understand G-d so one should never get to the point where discussing him causes one to be sickened by it. :( Shame on you WC for even thinking such a thing!


Ha Shem "literally" means The Name, Ha= The Shem= name. But this refers to the HOLY One, blessed be He. The Holy Spirit, or Ruach HaKodesh ( Ruach=Spirit Ha=the Kodesh=holy) is the Spirit of G-d which eminates from both the father and the son.

Now Y'shua in Hebrew means "salvation", take a look through a concordance and see how many times HaShem ( G-d) has called himself , Salvation. Y'shua was how he made his salvation manifest.

The name helps to discribe (partly) who the master of the universe is, it was given to Moshe, and he was not known as this great one until then, before he was called by other "names" , by Abraham he was known as "El Elyon" the "the most high G-d", by Isaac as "El shaddai", G-d Almighty, by Jacob as "El Gibbor" the mighty G-d of Jacob, but to Moshe and to be communicated to Israel in Egypt he was introducing himself as what is referred to as the tetragrammaton, the four letters, which make up his Holy name, but it still does not define him nor put him at anyones mercy by "knowing" this name.

This name has been defined as

"I AM"

I AM What I AM

I AM what I will Be

I AM whatever you need

He is so infinite that there is no way to describe all that he is, and that if we put our trust in Him fully, He will be all that we ever need.

My puny definition of HaShem = He who cannot be defined by all the words in the world, let alone a few words in a dictionary. :)

Shalom!

WildCelt
3rd August 2004, 01:33 PM
One can never fully understand G-d so one should never get to the point where discussing him causes one to be sickened by it. :(

Apparently things spoken tounge-in-cheek should not be spoken around here
:sigh:

I think you totally missed my point. My statement had nothing to do with G-d, but that the topic has been discussed many, many times, and perhaps the OP should do a little searching. I personally don't like reading the same debate over and over.

shmuel
3rd August 2004, 01:48 PM
I hope a comment about the Hebrew is not out of place. The Hebrew adjective meaning holy is qadosh as in qadosh, qadosh, qadosh (see Is 6:3 or Rev 4:8). The word qodesh (kodesh) is a noun that means holiness or sanctity. Ruach qodesh is a construct chain that literally means spirit of holiness. That is why when the expression is made definite the definite article is only added to the second word, ie the Holy Spirit = Ruach HaQodesh.

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JewishHeart
3rd August 2004, 03:21 PM
Todah Shmuel!

Sephania
3rd August 2004, 04:33 PM
I'm not apologizing, too many that claim to love the L-RD also take things about Him too casually, irreverently. The subject was the name of G-d, if he thinks that it is Holy enough to carve out a commandment in stone ( TWICE! ) about not using it in vain, then I think we should take care when talking about it and tongue in cheek should be reserved for anything but the Holy One. Blessed Is He!

A house ( Temple ) was built for his name ( 1Chron 28)

Here are some more names that may interest you (bon) of the Holy One!

Other Jewish names of G-d include



Emet (Truth)
Tzur Yisrael (The Rock of Israel)
Elohei Avraham, Elohei Yitzchak ve Elohei Yaacov (G-d of Abraham, G-d of Isaac, G-d of Jacob)
Ehiyeh sh'Ehiyeh (I Am That I Am)
Avinu Malkeinu (Our Father, our King)
Ro'eh Yisrael (Shepherd of Israel)
Ha-Kadosh, Baruch Hu (The Holy One, Praised be He)
Melech ha-Melachim (The King of Kings)
Makom (literally, "the place"; meaning "The Omnipresent")
Magen Avraham (Shield of Abraham)
God's world is great and holy.
The holiest land in the world is the land of Israel.
In the land of Israel the holiest city is Jerusalem.
In Jerusalem the holiest place was the Temple,
and in the Temple the holiest spot was the Holy of Holies....

There are seventy peoples in the world.
The holiest among these is the people of Israel.
The holiest of the people of Israel is the tribe of Levi.
In the tribe of Levi the holiest are the priests.
Among the priests, the holiest was the High Priest....

There are 354 days in the [lunar] year.
Among these, the holidays are holy.
Higher than these is the holiness of the Sabbath.
Among Sabbaths, the holiest is the Day of Atonement, the Sabbath of Sabbaths....

There are seventy languages in the world.
The holiest is Hebrew.
Holier than all else in this language is the holy Torah,
and in the Torah the holiest part is the Ten Commandments.
In the Ten Commandments the holiest of all words is the name of God....

And once during the year, at a certain hour, these four supreme sanctities of the world were joined with one another. That was on the Day of Atonement, when the High Priest would enter the Holy of Holies and there utter the name of God. And because this hour was beyond measure holy and awesome, it was the time of utmost peril not only for the High Priest but for the whole of Israel. For if in this hour there had, God forbid, entered the mind of the High Priest a false or sinful thought, the entire world would have been destroyed.

Lady-Rose
4th August 2004, 02:47 PM
Um, HaShem is 100% NOT a New Age thing. HaShem simply means "The Name" in Hebrew. It is written in place of YHVH (Yahweh) out of respect. This is the same reason why many write G-d instead of God.

So, to answer the OP, yes, to say Yeshua is HaShem is to say Jesus is Yahweh. As far as the explanation...you may want to search this forum. That topic has been discussed ad nauseam.
Thankyou
I did not know this
I am new and dont know Hebrew.
That was important to me so thanks again.

I applied what I learned some of the new age bibles in refference to God and Christ..
This here for the Christians is ment as a generic God
generis Christ. not for respect as the you mentioned
Lady Rose

WildCelt
5th August 2004, 08:24 AM
Thankyou
I did not know this
I am new and dont know Hebrew.
That was important to me so thanks again.

I applied what I learned some of the new age bibles in refference to God and Christ..
This here for the Christians is ment as a generic God
generis Christ. not for respect as the you mentioned
Lady Rose

You're welcome! Glad I could help.

Yasatora
5th August 2004, 08:32 AM
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.