Did Y'shua smile and laugh?

[By Grace]

Something Yafet quoted in a different thread got me thinking: did Y'shua smile and laugh? Here's the quote:

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"In all his views and actions Jesus was a Jew. As a pious Israelite he fulfilled all the commandments. He saw in God his Father in heaven, had pity on the poor, supported the stumbling, and loved the repentant, in whose place even the perfectly just are not allowed to stand, as a talmudic saying puts it. He was also afflicted with the typical Jewish failings. He never saw the sublime and beautiful in nature, and he never smiled. He carried on his teaching amid tears, threats, and promises...Jesus was the most Jewish of all Jews, more Jewish even than the great teacher Hillel."



---Joseph Klausner, Historian and Professor at Hebrew University in Jerusalem

A common Christian "revelation" is that Y'shua would have laugh lines around His eyes from laughing so much, and that He would enjoy playing with young children. Don't Jews laugh and enjoy their children? Don't they enjoy the expression of G-d's beauty in the nature around them? Wouldn't Y'shua have been able to experience joy to its fullest, even more so than most people, because He was more fully human and more in touch with His humanity than any of us?

Just trying to know our Messiah more fully...

[Yasatora]

Absolutely!!!!

[muffler dragon]

But at the same time, By Grace, this statement of yours could also lend itself towards a very somber consideration:

...He was more fully human and more in touch with His humanity than any of us?

Granted this all depends on how one looks at it. Love doesn't always have a huge smile on its face. I am a rather happy man, but you wouldn't know it to see my face.

When I consider how Y'shua may have felt, I look at it like this:

The very person through whom creation came to be had to come and restore it, because of the fault of man. In that regard, I believe that Y'shua was probably more somber than anything. Seeing what sin had done to this world. That's a lot to view on a daily basis. Sure, he enjoyed children, but he also was shown the sadder parts of the word: the people who needed healed 24/7.

Just some thoughts.

Nathan

[By Grace]

muffler dragon, where did you get the quote in your signature?

Fear get away from me. Doubt has no place in me. Seduction of death will go. Intermittent thoughts of past life. I do not know that man. Anymore, nevermore. Weight has lifted, is broken. That yoke destroyed. I've nothing more to do with it. Peace deep within, I'm set free. I have become something else. My spirit breathes freely again. That yoke destroyed. I've nothing more to do with it. No longer tormented.
No longer.

Living Sacrifice
It's beautiful!

[muffler dragon]

muffler dragon, where did you get the quote in your signature?


It's beautiful!
It's the lyrics to the song, No Longer, by Living Sacrifice. The album is Reborn.

It's hardcore/metal. One of my all-time favs.

Nathan

[mjterry87]

I saw this one Christian movie called Jesus, I forget the name of the guy who was in it, but it was made like in 2000. Anyways it showed Jesus laughing, dancing, and playing harmless jokes on people. Also in the Passion of the Christ it shows Jesus joking around and laughing. In my opnion I believe that Yeshua laughed and joked around. It does not show it in the bible, but would people follow him if he was just a stick in the mud?

[DanielRB]

Something Yafet quoted in a different thread got me thinking: did Y'shua smile and laugh? Here's the quote:


A common Christian "revelation" is that Y'shua would have laugh lines around His eyes from laughing so much, and that He would enjoy playing with young children. Don't Jews laugh and enjoy their children? Don't they enjoy the expression of G-d's beauty in the nature around them? Wouldn't Y'shua have been able to experience joy to its fullest, even more so than most people, because He was more fully human and more in touch with His humanity than any of us?

Just trying to know our Messiah more fully...
I really think that whenever we talk about what Y'Shua "might" have been like or "might" have done, when it is not explicitly stated in the scriptures, we are just engaging in speculation.

Did Jesus laugh or smile? The Scripture does not say so; neither does it deny it. Anything beyond this is just speculation.

I hope this response does not offend anyone. :)

In Christ,

Daniel

[Sephania]

Isaiah 53
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

[The Thadman]

At the same time, I would see that the Pharisees accusing him of being a glutton and a drunkard seeing his habitual dining and revelries with tax collectors and sinners, as an indication that he was not always a man of grief, sorrow, and suffering. :)

As was said earlier, he also had a soft spot in his heart for children. I don't think that a dour Jesus would bode well in an environment saturated with sproglets. ;) In fact, it appears that his disciples were the grumpy ones as he rebuked them from holding the children back :)

Peace!
-Steve-o

[Katydid]

Not to burst anyone's bubble, but I don't think there are many times when I have seen my husband smile, and yet children are completely drawn to him. Literally, when all the other men in our building were deployed, we joked that my husband became the "stairwell daddy". The kids loved him, but he rarely smiles. I don't know if Yeshua smiled or not, but I know that my husband feels a massive amount of responsibility for everyone around him and it is rare to see him smile, yet he thouroghly enjoys life and all of G-d's blessings. As I said, I know this doesn't truly pertain to Yeshua, as we have no idea, but, children can see beyond the look on our faces. And a smile on your face does not automatically mean happiness.

[By Grace]

"He was also afflicted with the typical Jewish failings. He never saw the sublime and beautiful in nature, and he never smiled."

So what about Jews in general? Unfortunately, I don't know any personally, at least not very well. But do they typically not smile or see the beauty in nature? I realize that this, too, is no guarantee on what Y'shua was like then. However, He was a Jew, and if there are personality traits that are typical to the Jewish people, this might possibly be an indication of what Y'shua was like here on earth.

Just wondering....



It's the lyrics to the song, No Longer, by Living Sacrifice. The album is Reborn.

It's hardcore/metal. One of my all-time favs.

Nathan
My husband likes hard rock/metal, too--maybe he would like this group! Can I find it in the usual music stores, or do I need to look on a specialty website?

[Sephania]

You can't compare the "environmental behavior" of a Jew of the first century with ones who are at the other end of a history that includes, the detruction of the temple, the expulsion from their land, their 1900+ yr dispersion to all parts of the world where they were tolerated at best and inihilated at worst and worst. Pograms, inquisitions, Crusades, the Nazi Holocaust, and it continues today. There are many that carry this pain of the centuries with them. Now the Hassidic, in many ways are a joyful sect of Judaism.

I would say that your average Judean in Yeshua's time would not have been very jovial with the Roman occupation, and the daily hedonism that was spreading and taking over, unless they had succumbed to this way of life themselves.

It must be remembered that Y'shua was from before the world began, so he knew of every travesty that had befallen mankind, and specifically his people, whom he had selected to bring his salvation through. There are certain passages where you can get a glimpse and a glimpse only of the sorrow he suffered , not for himself but what he knew would happen to those he loved.

Matthew 22:27 O Jerusalem, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would not let me.

Here you can see his suffering from past times, before his earthly flesh visitation, so he was indeed a man of sorrows.

[muffler dragon]

"He was also afflicted with the typical Jewish failings. He never saw the sublime and beautiful in nature, and he never smiled."

So what about Jews in general? Unfortunately, I don't know any personally, at least not very well. But do they typically not smile or see the beauty in nature? I realize that this, too, is no guarantee on what Y'shua was like then. However, He was a Jew, and if there are personality traits that are typical to the Jewish people, this might possibly be an indication of what Y'shua was like here on earth.

Just wondering....




My husband likes hard rock/metal, too--maybe he would like this group! Can I find it in the usual music stores, or do I need to look on a specialty website?
you can find it in conventional 'christian' book stores

you can also get it from www.toothandnail.com

m.d.

[WildCelt]

You may want to have him give it a listen before you just go buy it for him. Living Sacrifice "metal" and Nickelback "metal" are two different beasts :D

[muffler dragon]

You may want to have him give it a listen before you just go buy it for him. Living Sacrifice "metal" and Nickelback "metal" are two different beasts :D
Shhhhsssshhhhhh. WildCelt, don't do that. :)

Nickelback is pop rock compared to LS, but she needn't know that.

[Sephania]

Oy! this was a great interesting thread about Y'shua's emotions and now it has degraded to a chit-chat about Rock music. :doh: ( Maybe a nice MOderator will come along and split this conversation out from the OP ;) )

Since we want to talk about rock music here, let me ask, does anyone know where the name for this came from? I mean why is it called "Rock" music? And do you think it's played in heaven?

[brentsbaby612]

Or course Yeshua smiled. I don't think there's even any arguement here. Just because you are prudent, holy, and righteous doesn't mean you can't enjoy life. I don't know about playing tricks on people, but even if you read some of his responses to the pharisees you can sense the comedy in his words. Kinda like He was making fun of them for there arrogance.

[Sephania]

I don't think he was laughing, do you not know he had seen all this from heaven, that he knew everything they were thinking? It was enough to sober anyone, he is so sick of it he says things like this: Oh faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?

As far as the children, he was very upset with those that held them back from him and made a lesson out of it on a very serious subject, the kingdom of heaven. Then he took them in his arms and laid his hands on them and blessed them, just as is done today, in seriousness and hope for their future, and this does not involve levity.

Just because he was accused of things and was viewed as being frivilous, (*eating and drinking) does not mean he was. He came to do serious work, even as a child we see that he was not like one would think in the Chrisitian world, laughing, playing, being carefree, at 12 we see him in the temple Teaching the priests! Serious bussiness, he even rebukes his mother for not knowing that he would just be lost in some silly childess losing of time, playing around somewhere when everyone left for home, but that he was, even at that age, at work. Thirty three years in the whole grand scheme of things is a very short time to do what he needed to do.

You must remember that Chirisitanity has painted a portrait of a non-Jewish Jesus, and not only taken things away, but added also what they want him to look like, act, and do.