Wade Smith
3rd October 2008, 11:27 AM
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I watched about half of this video before I got sick of listening to him blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
I would reply to OP of that video directly, except he seems to have disabled text responses.
He doesn't know anything about Pentecost or the Azusa* revival or tongues.
*see below.
In the Bible, Jesus said, "No man can perform a miracle in my name and lightly speak evil of me."
"Pentecost" is not confusion, at least not when done properly. Of course they always have extreme examples on these videos to try to make people look bad.
Perhaps the reason people get "confused" is because they aren't born again in the first place, and don't understand the things of God.
They are "confused" because they expect God to follow "man's order", but that was never the case. Jesus never followed "man's order" either.
Second, he takes Pauls writing "Let the women keep silent...." he takes that out of context, because Paul was refering to women asking disruptive questions, not women teaching or prophesying.
Clearly, anyone who has ever read Joel 2 or Acts 2 would know this.
Proof that "David Cloud" has no idea what he's talking about.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
When Peter explains "Tongues" on the day of pentecost, he quotes Joel.
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
So when "David Cloud" stands up there and claims that women are in rebellion and sin if they speak in tongues, preach, or prophesy, he is a LIAR and does not know what he is talking about.
Romans 16:1
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Here, if you do a word study on the word "servant" you will find that it is the exact same word translated "Deacon" elswhere in scripture, written by Paul, except here it is the feminine conjugation. The masculine conjugation appears 4 times in the scriptures, and the feminine appears 2 times. But it is the exact same word and bears the exact same meaning.
Example of women teaching a man.
Acts 18:26
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Example of women prophets in OT and NT:
Deborah was both prophetess and "judge"
Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
2 Kings 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.
Luke 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Notice something. "Prophetess" does not merely denote "the wife of a prophet" as this text bears out. "Prophetess" is the feminine of "prophet", contrary to "David Cloud" and his tirade against female church leaders.
*third, Azusa revival.
He mentions the police and firemen coming to the Azusa revival. What he did not mention is this.
If you read "Azusa Street" which is the biography of Frank Bartleman, one of the preachers involved in that revival, you will find out the truth about the police and firemen going to the revival.
http://www.amazon.com/Azusa-Street-Frank-Bartleman/dp/0883686384
The reason is this:
At times, it was reported that Cloven tongues of fire (like at the original day of pentecost) sat on top of the building and were visible at night, and the police and fire companies were called by people outside of the revival, who saw the building and thought it was on fire. Many of these people ended up giving their hearts to Jesus and being born again after they saw the miracle healings and this wonder on top of the building.
fourth, "Gifts" of tongues and interpretation:
In the book, "Before we Kill and Eat You", H.B. Garlock describes an event that happened in Africa in which he was attempting to negotiate a kidnapping with a cannibalistic tribe. His translator was afraid to talk, and he says that God told him, "Open your mouth and I'll fill it."
So he obeyed and began to speak in tongues and the people released the hostage. When he asked the translator "what's going on?"
He says, "I don't know, but you're speaking their language..."
I've also heard of a few other occassions in which a third party person who knew the "language" of the "unknown tongue" was able to verify that a tongue and interpretation were true and accurate.
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All these people who preach against the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and against "Gifts of the Spirit" are going to stand before God one day and answer why they blasphemed God and mocked his holy commandment to "Recieve the Holy Spirit".
I watched about half of this video before I got sick of listening to him blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
I would reply to OP of that video directly, except he seems to have disabled text responses.
He doesn't know anything about Pentecost or the Azusa* revival or tongues.
*see below.
In the Bible, Jesus said, "No man can perform a miracle in my name and lightly speak evil of me."
"Pentecost" is not confusion, at least not when done properly. Of course they always have extreme examples on these videos to try to make people look bad.
Perhaps the reason people get "confused" is because they aren't born again in the first place, and don't understand the things of God.
They are "confused" because they expect God to follow "man's order", but that was never the case. Jesus never followed "man's order" either.
Second, he takes Pauls writing "Let the women keep silent...." he takes that out of context, because Paul was refering to women asking disruptive questions, not women teaching or prophesying.
Clearly, anyone who has ever read Joel 2 or Acts 2 would know this.
Proof that "David Cloud" has no idea what he's talking about.
Joel 2:28
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
When Peter explains "Tongues" on the day of pentecost, he quotes Joel.
Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
So when "David Cloud" stands up there and claims that women are in rebellion and sin if they speak in tongues, preach, or prophesy, he is a LIAR and does not know what he is talking about.
Romans 16:1
I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:
Here, if you do a word study on the word "servant" you will find that it is the exact same word translated "Deacon" elswhere in scripture, written by Paul, except here it is the feminine conjugation. The masculine conjugation appears 4 times in the scriptures, and the feminine appears 2 times. But it is the exact same word and bears the exact same meaning.
Example of women teaching a man.
Acts 18:26
And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
Example of women prophets in OT and NT:
Deborah was both prophetess and "judge"
Judges 4:4
And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.
2 Kings 22:14
So Hilkiah the priest, and Ahikam, and Achbor, and Shaphan, and Asahiah, went unto Huldah the prophetess, the wife of Shallum the son of Tikvah, the son of Harhas, keeper of the wardrobe; (now she dwelt in Jerusalem in the college;) and they communed with her.
Luke 2:36
And there was one Anna, a prophetess, the daughter of Phanuel, of the tribe of Aser: she was of a great age, and had lived with an husband seven years from her virginity;
Notice something. "Prophetess" does not merely denote "the wife of a prophet" as this text bears out. "Prophetess" is the feminine of "prophet", contrary to "David Cloud" and his tirade against female church leaders.
*third, Azusa revival.
He mentions the police and firemen coming to the Azusa revival. What he did not mention is this.
If you read "Azusa Street" which is the biography of Frank Bartleman, one of the preachers involved in that revival, you will find out the truth about the police and firemen going to the revival.
http://www.amazon.com/Azusa-Street-Frank-Bartleman/dp/0883686384
The reason is this:
At times, it was reported that Cloven tongues of fire (like at the original day of pentecost) sat on top of the building and were visible at night, and the police and fire companies were called by people outside of the revival, who saw the building and thought it was on fire. Many of these people ended up giving their hearts to Jesus and being born again after they saw the miracle healings and this wonder on top of the building.
fourth, "Gifts" of tongues and interpretation:
In the book, "Before we Kill and Eat You", H.B. Garlock describes an event that happened in Africa in which he was attempting to negotiate a kidnapping with a cannibalistic tribe. His translator was afraid to talk, and he says that God told him, "Open your mouth and I'll fill it."
So he obeyed and began to speak in tongues and the people released the hostage. When he asked the translator "what's going on?"
He says, "I don't know, but you're speaking their language..."
I've also heard of a few other occassions in which a third party person who knew the "language" of the "unknown tongue" was able to verify that a tongue and interpretation were true and accurate.
=======
All these people who preach against the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and against "Gifts of the Spirit" are going to stand before God one day and answer why they blasphemed God and mocked his holy commandment to "Recieve the Holy Spirit".