Psalms and Proverbs

[Bryan Cotton]

Many pastor pull verses from these books. These two books have some really nice and catchy sayings. It's my understanding that Psalms are songs and poems and Proverbs is a bunch of wise sayings.

My question is, most of Psalms and I think Proverbs were written by people under the mosiac law. So wouldn't there wise sayings and songs be influenced by the law? If not all of it, then some of it?

So how much should christians who are saved by grace live there lives based on the scriptures of Psalms and Proverbs?

[Wade Smith]

Many pastor pull verses from these books. These two books have some really nice and catchy sayings. It's my understanding that Psalms are songs and poems and Proverbs is a bunch of wise sayings.

My question is, most of Psalms and I think Proverbs were written by people under the mosiac law. So wouldn't there wise sayings and songs be influenced by the law? If not all of it, then some of it?

So how much should christians who are saved by grace live there lives based on the scriptures of Psalms and Proverbs?


Well, Psalm 51, which is David's prayer after Nathan came to him after the death of Uriah, it teaches the true meaning of the OT law.

David went to the blood of the lamb. He went to the OT scriptures about the passover, and plead the blood of the lamb.

7Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

refers to the blood of the passover lamb, and as well, the ritual for cleansing of a leper, both of which typified Jesus and his death on the Cross. Both pointed to the promise of the coming redeemer.

9Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

Refers to the priest sprinkling the blood of the lamb on the Ark of the Testament, which contained the broken law; upon the mercy seat.

As Paul later said, "Blotting out the handwritting of ordinances that was contrary to us"

10Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Again, similar to Pauls, "Be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind." One thinks that Paul learned a lot by Reading the writings of David.

11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

David remembers the terrible tragedy of Saul when the Spirit of God departed from him, and begs the Lord to have mercy.

[Kelly]

2 Timothy 3:15-17

from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

[Artificial Intelligence]

No, they are not about the law, they are about wisdom and prophecy. Your pastor should teach the whole OT, it's loaded with life lessons and especially spiritual ones. The OT validates the NT. Very hard to understand the NT without studying the OT.

[Kelly]

I have a personal belief that everything in the bible has both an immediate purpose (for it's original audience) and a secondary purpose (for the Christian reader, in any time past present or future).

Read Proverbs with this thought: Adultery and the Adulteress are not only cheating on your spouse and a whorish woman - look at how you can interchange adultery with anything we put before God. Our sin, our selfishness. Anything not of God. Also, when Solomon talks about wisdom (especially in Proverbs 7 through 10). Wisdom means fear (respect) for God, but look how it points to Christ. Replace Wisdom with Jesus and re-read.

[Bryan Cotton]

Wade, you pretty much didn't answer my question at all. Or if you did, I missed it. I read your post twice.

No, they are not about the law, they are about wisdom and prophecy.
Yea, I never said Psalms and Proverbs were "about the law," I said the writters of them were under the law and are "influenced by the law? If not all of it, then some of it?"


Your pastor should teach the whole OT, it's loaded with life lessons and especially spiritual ones. The OT validates the NT. Very hard to understand the NT without studying the OT.
I agree, and while I never spoke of "my" pastor, he does as well as the many I was refering to in my original post DO "teach the whole OT." I feel it is important to learn and teach the whole bible. My question was "... how much should christians who are saved by grace live there lives based on the scriptures of Psalms and Proverbs?
I'm surre christian that are saved by grace do not "live there lives: based on the mosaic law. But they should stll learn the law and learn about the love God had for his people or continues to forsake that law.

I have a personal belief that everything in the bible has both an immediate purpose (for it's original audience) and a secondary purpose (for the Christian reader, in any time past present or future).

I soooo agree with that. I think thats why your qoute of 2 Timothy 3:15-17 is an important scripture. I think ever verse has its purpose. My thing is with Pslams and Provers, does ALL of those book fit into the way christians under grace should base there life on.
Please note I'm not saying they should or shouldn'.t I'm seriously asking the question should they. And while I'm getting to those two books, I have not read all the verses of those two books.

Thanks for all of your responses. Please feel free to keep this dialouge going.

[RND]

No, they are not about the law, they are about wisdom and prophecy. Your pastor should teach the whole OT, it's loaded with life lessons and especially spiritual ones. The OT validates the NT. Very hard to understand the NT without studying the OT.

Whew! Don't tell that to Psalms 119! It about nothing but the Torah.

[Artificial Intelligence]

I agree, and while I never spoke of "my" pastor, he does as well as the many I was refering to in my original post DO "teach the whole OT." I feel it is important to learn and teach the whole bible. My question was "... how much should christians who are saved by grace live there lives based on the scriptures of Psalms and Proverbs?
I'm surre christian that are saved by grace do not "live there lives: based on the mosaic law. But they should stll learn the law and learn about the love God had for his people or continues to forsake that law.
Well the law is written on your heart, not externally on stone tablets any longer. So we can identify with the writers from their perspective, but are not necessarily bound to the attempts of fulfilling what they themselves tried to fulfill. For us, it is already fulfilled, and we are now a possession of God and a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit. That is something that they lacked, for their visitation by the Holy Spirit to guide their pen was but limited for an amount of time necessary to record the will of God, then He would leave them.

But yes there is an eternal message in such books., one for the writing upon the heart. Psalms and Proverbs are extremely meaningful for us. Man does not live by bread alone, but by ever word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD. These books should be more than sufficient for your hunger.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Whew! Don't tell that to Psalms 119! It about nothing but the Torah.Actually it is about wisdom. There are no new laws given. For David it was the wisdom of following the law and with the whole heart, but for David it was to please God. That was notably David’s strength, He continually sought to please God. His weakness was that he fell short of perfectly fulfilling the law, though strength of that is he knew he needed a savior. Much of his writings present this, as well as prophetic passages to the coming Christ. You could say that the NT is all about the law as well, but from a perspective of fulfillment and having it now written upon the heart.

[RND]

Actually it is about wisdom. There are no new laws given. For David it was the wisdom of following the law and with the whole heart, but for David it was to please God. That was notably David’s strength, He continually sought to please God. His weakness was that he fell short of perfectly fulfilling the law, though strength of that is he knew he needed a savior. Much of his writings present this, as well as prophetic passages to the coming Christ. You could say that the NT is all about the law as well, but from a perspective of fulfillment and having it now written upon the heart.

Let's find out?

Psalms 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed [are] the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB84.htm#S8451) of the LORD.

Torah - a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:--law. 25 Times the Torah is mentioned in Psalms 119. The word "wisdom" is not mentioned once.

[Artificial Intelligence]

Let's find out?

Psalms 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed [are] the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB84.htm#S8451) of the LORD.

Torah - a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:--law. 25 Times the Torah is mentioned in Psalms 119. The word "wisdom" is not mentioned once.Find out what? The NT mentions the law as well, the NT is not about the law. Psalms mentions the law, but it is not about the law. What is really being communicated in PS119? Possibly concerning the heart?

[RND]

Find out what? The NT mentions the law as well, the NT is not about the law. Psalms mentions the law, but it is not about the law. What is really being communicated in PS119? Possibly concerning the heart?

What is the 'center' of attention, the main subject if you will, regarding Psalms 119? First you mentioned it is wisdom. Now it is possibly concerning the heart. Could it be, as I suggested that it is about the law, the Torah?

I presented the case that the Torah is mentioned 25 times and wisdom isn't mentioned at all.

Matthew Henry's Commentary - Psalms 119 (http://bible.somd.com/henry/H19C119.shtml)

The general scope and design of this psalm is to magnify the Divine law, and make it honourable. There are ten words by which Divine revelation is called in this psalm, and each expresses what God expects from us, and what we may expect from him. 1. God's law; this is enacted by him as our Sovereign. 2. His way; this is the rule of his providence. 3. His testimonies; they are solemnly declared to the world. 4. His commandments; given with authority. 5. His precepts; not left as indifferent matters to us. 6. His word, or saying; it is the declaration of his mind. 7. His judgments; framed in infinite wisdom. 8. His righteousness; it is the rule and standard of what is right. 9. His statutes; they are always binding. 10. His truth or faithfulness; it is eternal truth, it shall endure for ever.

[Artificial Intelligence]

I'll let David answer that for you regarding wisdom.

Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
A good understanding have all those who do His commandments;
His praise endures forever.

I'll let David answer that for you regarding the heart.

Psalms 119:2 How blessed are those who observe His testimonies,
Who seek Him with all their heart.

As NASB entitles Ps119 well, "Meditations and Prayers Relating to the Law of God.". But it is not about the law explicitly, but about the heart, as well as wisdom to seek God and His will with all ones heart as is David's usual emphasis. If it had said only, to seek doing the law with all ones heart, than yes it would be about the law alone. But the true emphasis is upon the heart that seeks after God, not upon the law itself. This was obviously something that many of the Jews in the time of Christ lost their grasp of, but sought only to fulfill the law rather than to seek after God.

Psalms is an experiential book, the vessel holy set unto God. It is not a teacher of the law verbatim. Proverbs is a teacher of wisdom.

I speak of the books as a whole, one must study it all to unlock the understanding of the things said within it. If you break it down purely by chapters or verse, than much understanding is lost. So too is the whole of the bible, a magnificent love letter from God to man.

[RND]

I'll let David answer that for you regarding wisdom.

Psalms 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom;
A good understanding have all those who do His commandments;
His praise endures forever.

That's Psalms 111, not 119. We were referring to Psalms 119 I thought.

I'll let Davide answer that for you regarding the heart.

Psalms 119:2 How blessed are those who observe His testimonies,
Who seek Him with all their heart.

As NASB entitles Ps119 well, "Meditations and Prayers Relating to the Law of God.". But it is not about the law explicitly, but about the heart, as well as wisdom to seek God and His will with all ones heart as is David's usual emphasis.

And how do people generally meditate on something? With the heart. That goes without saying. What is the subject of meditation in Psalms 119? The law of God perhaps?

If it had said only, to seek doing the law with all ones heart, than yes it would be about the law alone. But the true emphasis is upon the heart that seeks after God, not upon the law itself.

And how is the seeking of God characterized in Psalms 119? What is the object used in the seeking of God?

Psa 119:10 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=10&t=KJV#10) With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.

Psa 119:32 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=32&t=KJV#32) I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.

This was obviously something that many of the Jews in the time of Christ lost their grasp of, but sought only to fulfill the law rather than to seek after God.

That sounds nice but what law were they searching for?

[Artificial Intelligence]

Psa 119:10 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=10&t=KJV#10) With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.

Psa 119:32 (http://cf.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=119&v=32&t=KJV#32) I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.
Well like I edited in, it's an experiential book. It is dealing with the vessel holy set unto God. etc..

[RND]

Well like I edited in, it's an experiential book. It is dealing with the vessel holy set unto God. etc..

Hey, since you're in So Cali ever listen to KBRT? Maybe Greg Koukl or Rich Buhler? I call-in every once in a while.

[DarkCoffeeJazz]

Let's find out?

Psalms 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed [are] the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.

Torah - a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch:--law. 25 Times the Torah is mentioned in Psalms 119. The word "wisdom" is not mentioned once.

I've actually studied that Psalm, and I can say you are losing points fast, RND. AI is in the lead.

[Bryan Cotton]

So we can identify with the writers from their perspective, but are not necessarily bound to the attempts of fulfilling what they themselves tried to fulfill.
I'm taking that as your answer to my question. With that said, thanks for your response. I understand the aove clearly and it makes sense.


Psalms 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed [are] the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD.
Ok, good scripture. So takeing it back to my quesiton, should chrisitan under grace base there lives on "waling in the law of the lord" or by "walking by the teachings of Jesus Christ under grace?"

TIA for your response.

[RND]

I've actually studied that Psalm, and I can say you are losing points fast, RND. AI is in the lead.

You're simply biased. I have a great deal of Bible commentaries that agree that Psalms 119 relates to the law, not wisdom. If you were a judge you'd be disqualified for obvious bias.

[DarkCoffeeJazz]

You're simply biased.
And i assume you have evidence? No? Then who are you to judge me?
*life bar depletes*
I have a great deal of Bible commentaries that agree that Psalms 119 relates to the law, not wisdom.
So you repeat whatever you're told. Gotcha.
If you were a judge you'd be disqualified for obvious bias.
And i suppose you're that much holier than I am because of it?
Learn to argue, or you'll find yourself within the tempest of my counter-argument.
It is always best not to flame others because you are trying to remove the speck from their eye, when the plank is so clearly sticking out of your own.

And with that said, I shall revert to my more polite self. As my RDC at Great Lakes once said...
"Do not mistake my meekness for weakness."
I'm saying that AI makes a good point. It is wise to follow God's commands. Hence, he is correct.
It's simple logic. Don't be one of those who sacrifices the head to think 100% completely with the heart.

[RND]

And i assume you have evidence? No? Then who are you to judge me?

Your statement is evidence.

So you repeat whatever you're told. Gotcha.

When the evidence is clear and presented well and in context? Sure.

And i suppose you're that much holier than I am because of it?

Did I say that?

Learn to argue, or you'll find yourself within the tempest of my counter-argument.

Ooooooh, I'm so scared.

It is always best not to flame others because you are trying to remove the speck from their eye, when the plank is so clearly sticking out of your own.

Yes, flaming is bad. Besides, what speck? I'm just pointing out that the rather plain meaning behind Psalms 119 is the Torah. Ask a Jew for goodness sake if you don't believe me.

And with that said, I shall revert to my more polite self. As my RDC at Great Lakes once said...
"Do not mistake my meekness for weakness."
I'm saying that AI makes a good point. It is wise to follow God's commands. Hence, he is correct.

Good to see good sense has taken over.

It's simple logic. Don't be one of those who sacrifices the head to think 100% completely with the heart.

The heart is the head.

[RND]

Ok, good scripture. So takeing it back to my quesiton, should chrisitan under grace base there lives on "waling in the law of the lord" or by "walking by the teachings of Jesus Christ under grace?"

TIA for your response.


No sweat. In that Jesus didn't come to destroy the law then yes, meditating on the law seems to be the perfect way to gain a greater understand into the mind of God.

The weightier matters of the law are "judgment, mercy, and faith." By examining these aspects of the law is to examine these aspects of God's character.

[DarkCoffeeJazz]

Your statement is evidence.
I'm afraid you're very wrong.


When the evidence is clear and presented well and in context? Sure.
Atheists say this too, you realize.


Did I say that?

It's dripping off your tongue, with all your words. And accusing me of being biased, when I wasn't.


Ooooooh, I'm so scared.

Good. :D
*knows what sarcasm is*


Yes, flaming is bad. Besides, what speck? I'm just pointing out that the rather plain meaning behind Psalms 119 is the Torah. Ask a Jew for goodness sake if you don't believe me.

And did i ever say you were completely 100% wrong? I merely said AI was winning as far as points go. You could both be right. Or did you not consider that possibility?
No I guess not.


Good to see good sense has taken over.

It never left me. You just couldn't see it through your own bias.


The heart is the head.
Those who believe that tread upon dangerous ground.
The heart and the head work together. But the heart IS NOT the head.
(technically, it is. But I refer to heart as the part where all our feelings are used, and head where all our reasoning and logic is used).
Details...

[RND]

I'm afraid you're very wrong.

Suit yourself.

Atheists say this too, you realize.

Blind squirrels find nuts occasionally too. But atheists don't generally use Bible scholars and commentaors to help bring home the points they want to make.

It's dripping off your tongue, with all your words. And accusing me of being biased, when I wasn't.

You were. Sorry.

Good. :D
*knows what sarcasm is*

Should I be more obvious?

And did i ever say you were completely 100% wrong? I merely said AI was winning as far as points go. You could both be right. Or did you not consider that possibility?
No I guess not.

Based on the facts of the discussion and weight of the evidence? No, I never considered myself wrong.

It never left me. You just couldn't see it through your own bias.

Could'a fooled me. But glad to see you are mature enough to reign yourself in.

Those who believe that tread upon dangerous ground.
The heart and the head work together. But the heart IS NOT the head.
(technically, it is. But I refer to heart as the part where all our feelings are used, and head where all our reasoning and logic is used).
Details...

For purposes of Biblical understanding the "heart" is generally considered the "mind." That theology 101.

heart - leb - a form of 'lebab' (3824 (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB38.htm#S3824)); the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything:--+ care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag(-eous), friend(-ly), ((broken-), (hard-), (merry-), (stiff-), (stout-), double) heart((-ed)), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind(-ed), X regard((-ed)), X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.

[DarkCoffeeJazz]

Suit yourself.
I guess I'm not the only "biased" person here, haha.



Blind squirrels find nuts occasionally too. But atheists don't generally use Bible scholars and commentaors to help bring home the points they want to make.
How... inaccurate. Atheists use the bible all the time to try to disprove us. In fact, they probably know more about the bible than a lot of Christians. Heck, they even use scholars and commentators, at least the smart ones do.
I argue with them constantly, so I know this from experience.


You were. Sorry. And I suppose you know my mind... riiighhht.
I wasn't being biased. And seeing as how I don't lie...
I'd say you're just being biased. ;)
You see, cuz anyone who challenges you to think, MUST be biased, right? Anyone with a different view than yours, MUST be biased, right?
I fail to see your logic...
Maybe you should quit while you are ahead?



Should I be more obvious?*apparently, RND doesn't know what sarcasm is even though RND used it*
Oi.
*facepalm*



Based on the facts of the discussion and weight of the evidence? No, I never considered myself wrong.
What evidence? A few verses nit-picked here and there?

Could'a fooled me. But glad to see you are mature enough to reign yourself in.
There was nothing to reign in. You're imagining whatever it is you're seeing, I'm afraid.


For purposes of Biblical understanding the "heart" is generally considered the "mind." That theology 101.
And did I say I was using "heart" as far as the bible goes? No. Epic fail.

heart - leb - a form of 'lebab' (3824 (http://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebiblecom/kjvstrongs/STRHEB38.htm#S3824)); the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything:--+ care for, comfortably, consent, X considered, courag(-eous), friend(-ly), ((broken-), (hard-), (merry-), (stiff-), (stout-), double) heart((-ed)), X heed, X I, kindly, midst, mind(-ed), X regard((-ed)), X themselves, X unawares, understanding, X well, willingly, wisdom.Wow, you said exactly the same thing i said, though with more words. Go figure. Except I was using heart only for feelings, and possibly will. Mind would be logic and reasoning.
If it's simpler for you, i could classify them as your irrational and rational sides.

[RND]

I guess I'm not the only "biased" person here, haha.

Really? Who else made the ridiculous comment that I was behind on points?

How... inaccurate. Atheists use the bible all the time to try to disprove us. In fact, they probably know more about the bible than a lot of Christians. Heck, they even use scholars and commentators, at least the smart ones do.
I argue with them constantly, so I know this from experience.I've seen your arguing and I don't think you should argue with atheists. Look, I don't know about you but I certainly don't know any atheists that use commentaries and the Bible to try and disprove the Bible. Most of the atheist I've ever run into know about as much bible as a normal Christian.

And I suppose you know my mind... riiighhht.
I wasn't being biased. And seeing as how I don't lie...
I'd say you're just being biased. ;)
You see, cuz anyone who challenges you to think, MUST be biased, right? Anyone with a different view than yours, MUST be biased, right?
I fail to see your logic...
Maybe you should quit while you are ahead?You were being biased. Sorry.


*apparently, RND doesn't know what sarcasm is even though RND used it*
Oi.
*facepalm*That's funny.

What evidence? A few verses nit-picked here and there?Regarding the topic of course. And the commentary cites. Nailed it.

There was nothing to reign in. You're imagining whatever it is you're seeing, I'm afraid.You know, you might be right about this after all. Nothing to reign in.

And did I say I was using "heart" as far as the bible goes? No. Epic fail.What conversation between AI and I were you commenting on? We were talking about the Bible. If you weren't talking about the Bible then I doubt you paid much attention to our conversation.


Wow, you said exactly the same thing i said, though with more words. Go figure. Except I was using heart only for feelings, and possibly will. Mind would be logic and reasoning.Where are thing things generated? In the mind. I said that heart/mind are synonymous in the Bible. No, I should have "clarified" the words "in the Bible." Just in case you thought AI and I were talking about Popular Mechanics.

If it's simpler for you, i could classify them as your irrational and rational sides.You could. I mean those are things that are born in the mind. Heart=mind (in the Bible that is....but pssst, don't tell anyone. It's a secret).

[Bryan Cotton]

In that Jesus didn't come to destroy the law then yes, meditating on the law seems to be the perfect way to gain a greater understand into the mind of God.
I'm taking this as your answer to my question. While Psalms and Proverbs have it's place as far as as you put it "examine these aspects of God's character," these two book are not necessarily books that chrisitans under grace should base there lives on.
I do understand that a lot of wisdom and knowlege from these books are good for chrisitians under grace, especially since from my reading Paul covers a lot of it, if not all, of it in the new testement. I was in no way trying to discount the books entirely.

[Kelly]

Are you kids done? Place nice!

[Bryan Cotton]

Are you kids done? Place nice!


LOL!!!

[RND]

I'm taking this as your answer to my question. While Psalms and Proverbs have it's place as far as as you put it "examine these aspects of God's character," these two book are not necessarily books that chrisitans under grace should base there lives on.

I never suggested they should. I suggested that these books are a good way to meditate on the nature and character of God.

I do understand that a lot of wisdom and knowlege from these books are good for chrisitians under grace, especially since from my reading Paul covers a lot of it, if not all, of it in the new testement. I was in no way trying to discount the books entirely.

I know you were and appreciate your clarification. My original thought that I expressed here in this thread was simply that the content of Psalms 119 deals with the "law" (Torah) of God.

[DarkCoffeeJazz]

Really? Who else made the ridiculous comment that I was behind on points?

That wasn't biased. And oh,
"Your statement is evidence" of your bias. Haha.

I've seen your arguing and I don't think you should argue with atheists. Look, I don't know about you but I certainly don't know any atheists that use commentaries and the Bible to try and disprove the Bible. Most of the atheist I've ever run into know about as much bible as a normal Christian.

Then you seem to think there's only one type of atheist. How biased towards their beliefs you are being, m'dear.

You were being biased. Sorry.

You have yet to prove I was. I call it a severe misunderstanding, personally.
Also, I don't think you recognize a joke when you hear one. Especially when I mix it with an opinion of how you are doing in the thread compared to someone else who has an excellent point.

That's funny.

It was meant to be.

Regarding the topic of course. And the commentary cites. Nailed it.
You know, you might be right about this after all. Nothing to reign in.

So you're agreeing I have no bias and am a very intelligent person with excellent points?
And you're calling me biased. I can read between the lines, m'dear.

What conversation between AI and I were you commenting on? We were talking about the Bible. If you weren't talking about the Bible then I doubt you paid much attention to our conversation.

I'm not sure now. You've been trying to nail me for some crime I didn't commit for a while now. I don't even care anymore what it is you said. Your true nature shines through to me, and I don't like what I see.
Are you one of those people who thinks anyone who has a different view, no matter how slight the difference is, is biased to you?

Where are thing things generated? In the mind. I said that heart/mind are synonymous in the Bible. No, I should have "clarified" the words "in the Bible." Just in case you thought AI and I were talking about Popular Mechanics.

Another epic fail to trying to understand what I'm saying. I think I'll stop so you don't get even more confused.

You could. I mean those are things that are born in the mind. Heart=mind (in the Bible that is....but pssst, don't tell anyone. It's a secret).
*rolls eyes*
Yet again you fail to see what I'm saying.